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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 21, 2019 12:20:28 GMT
So think about it....they cash in on the best players we had which is fair enough but their business savy was all wrong because we only had a decent price for Harrison(which I’m not saying they done on purpose) but don’t spend the money on any new players instead they spend the money which we were given for being in the league...1.6million has been banked and they bring in 3m at least a year from gate receipts... And we can only get players like Craig/Bennett on a free? They bring in GC as yes he’s done well but it’s pretty obvious any manager coming in with a reputation or any chance of taking the team higher would want promises of transfer fund or money spent on the team..but they know GC would take his chance and not promise this. Their not pushing to keep players with higher wages and the quality has been stripped from the team without any real investment (this is why DC has lost the plot with them) They’ve been quiet for 2 seasons now and no input and false promises have stopped so don’t you think it’s pretty obvious this isn’t a board that are too bothered with the consequences? DC admitted he had a mid table budget just before he departed, he was also given a roughly £750K transfer budget since we were promoted to Div 1 so up to this summer I'd say the ALQ's were backing the manager. Since the summer the only departure has been our reserve CH, Broadbent, last week, I can't see there's any facts to support they aren't backing the manager. I'm as concerned as anybody that we might sell Sercs and not replace him but that hasn't happened yet, and we know GC was trying to bring in 3 or 4, players last week, one of which is now a first team striker in the Championship.
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Post by mjhgas on Jan 21, 2019 12:24:06 GMT
I honestly think the board have decided it’s fine if we’re in league 2 so we don’t have to pay league one wages. Their blatantly reducing the squad and overall running costs..
I'd say that they are trying to live within their means - i.e. running the club without adding to the debt and trying hard to make a profit.
We will find a level that suits our income/ expenditure/ profitability - League 2 will be about it unfortunately - give or take the odd successful year.
Until all football clubs are run properly (never going to happen) then we are stuffed!
Keep dreaming if you think we can challenge the top 6 in L1 or reach the dizzy heights of the Championship! It won't happen!
We'll do well to win the Checkatrade Trophy!
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Post by tbonegas on Jan 21, 2019 12:24:55 GMT
IMO it may well be that Saturdays defeat or should I say the nature of the defeat could prove to be a blessing in disguise to our chances of avoiding relegation because had we either won Saturday or played very well and unfortunately lost then both Manager and Board could have looked at it and decided that signings were not necessary and that the present squad was good enough to keep us up. Now after the nature of the defeat where we were absolutely awful and on the back of the draw at Accrington and the draw at home to Burton neither of which we were particularly good surely the Owners and the Manager will both be alarmed and want to ensure that we are good enough to face the months ahead? You would certainly hope that the Owners have looked at the finances and realised that sometime as an owner you have to speculate to accumulate and this time has now been reached. The cost of relegation will be phenomenal even compared to last time we were relegated as we fans will not be as forgiving this time if our forward trend is halted and we head back to stage 1. That has been shown this season with failure to make adequate signings by DC has resulted in crowds that are around 2000 down on last season and the reason is not only the results but also down to fans seeing doubting both the intentions and the integrity of the owners. Failure to allow three or even four signings to be made now and particularly strikers with a goalscoring record will not be forgiven by fans who have watched the most pathetic striking record I can remember in 50 odd years of watching. I can understand the position that GC is in he is not going to go down the road of criticising the Board - he doesn't need to as it will be clear now for all to see. It is also clear that DC was as much to blame for the problems we now face by signing too many players of limited or should I say the same ability as those we had. We certainly are not short of players but we are short of players who can actually make a difference .It actually embarrassed me Saturday when Akinfenwa came on and we see his lack of fitness and huge figure and yet it is almost certain that he would have done a better job than all our forwards put together this season and together would also have probably brought more out of the strikers we have. It is clear for everybody to see that we need at least three players all of whom have at least League 1 pedigree and are better than what we have and that is not going to come cheap. The tall striker who leads the attack is the absolute priority particularly if GC is going to persevere with the kick and rush which is probably the only "style" we can play with our back four the way they are. We are playing this style without the tools to actually accomplish it!! Payne is suffering the main buck of the fans but is he really to blame . Has he ever been the out and out leader of the attack? I don't think so and am sure that we have not seen anywhere near the best from him. We needed in the summer a Devante Cole or a Tom Eaves , it was clear then and even clearer now. we present no threat in the air whatsoever to any team in this division and teams know that if they have a huge centre half we have no way of competing at either end of the pitch. I see two strikers,a left midfielder and possibly another central midfielder as essential or I fear we will be way adrift of safety by mid to end of February certainly based on the last two home games. Now we will all find out just what the ambition of our owners is. I fear that they are going to be found wanting and it is not a nice thought! The defeat Saturday proved a point but can only be a blessing in disguise if it spurs the owners and Manager into action. Make Craig the skipper and all our problems will be solved.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2019 12:36:05 GMT
James Clarke now left the club then ? 10k ? Too much
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Post by markczgas on Jan 21, 2019 12:44:04 GMT
I honestly think the board have decided it’s fine if we’re in league 2 so we don’t have to pay league one wages. Their blatantly reducing the squad and overall running costs.. No evidence of that yet ....... we have a big squad I'd say. More quality and less bench fillers would help even if it were on loan for a month or two !
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Post by singupgas on Jan 21, 2019 12:45:55 GMT
The lack of activity is poor, the board should be pulling out all the stops to prevent us being relegated but i dont think they care. It has been going on for too long now, if we are relegated Wael and Co better be prepared for some harsh words directed towards them.
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Post by daniel300380 on Jan 21, 2019 12:49:46 GMT
I honestly think the board have decided it’s fine if we’re in league 2 so we don’t have to pay league one wages. Their blatantly reducing the squad and overall running costs.. By letting a few of our squad player's, on low wages leave??? Not exactly reduced anything of note have they?? Unless I have missed something. If that's the case, why did they up the budget again at the start of the season?
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Post by gasman on Jan 21, 2019 12:56:53 GMT
And the only player that actually took the ball out from a defence and attacked players is now gone, so its quite obvious the tactics were to just dump it from the back to the front because there's no one in the midfield who has any ability to run at players because there just not up to the standard, ill even say that I believe Broadbent was better than 10 of the players that played against Wycombe. James Clarke now left the club then ? You really would look a right dickhead if he was sold, nothing surprises me with these owners
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2019 13:03:15 GMT
James Clarke now left the club then ? You really would look a right dickhead if he was sold, nothing surprises me with these owners Enough with the owner bashing FFS. They've invested in the side, backed their manager and find themselves with a squad not good enough.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2019 13:08:09 GMT
I'm reminded of the office in London again. Perhaps they could let that go and gift the 300k to the playing side to sign a striker with. Surely we would make more money in the long run by scoring some goals amd staying up than hosting guests in the london office of a league 2 football club some 100 odd miles away.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2019 13:09:00 GMT
IMO it may well be that Saturdays defeat or should I say the nature of the defeat could prove to be a blessing in disguise to our chances of avoiding relegation because had we either won Saturday or played very well and unfortunately lost then both Manager and Board could have looked at it and decided that signings were not necessary and that the present squad was good enough to keep us up. Now after the nature of the defeat where we were absolutely awful and on the back of the draw at Accrington and the draw at home to Burton neither of which we were particularly good surely the Owners and the Manager will both be alarmed and want to ensure that we are good enough to face the months ahead? You would certainly hope that the Owners have looked at the finances and realised that sometime as an owner you have to speculate to accumulate and this time has now been reached. The cost of relegation will be phenomenal even compared to last time we were relegated as we fans will not be as forgiving this time if our forward trend is halted and we head back to stage 1. That has been shown this season with failure to make adequate signings by DC has resulted in crowds that are around 2000 down on last season and the reason is not only the results but also down to fans seeing doubting both the intentions and the integrity of the owners. Failure to allow three or even four signings to be made now and particularly strikers with a goalscoring record will not be forgiven by fans who have watched the most pathetic striking record I can remember in 50 odd years of watching. I can understand the position that GC is in he is not going to go down the road of criticising the Board - he doesn't need to as it will be clear now for all to see. It is also clear that DC was as much to blame for the problems we now face by signing too many players of limited or should I say the same ability as those we had. We certainly are not short of players but we are short of players who can actually make a difference .It actually embarrassed me Saturday when Akinfenwa came on and we see his lack of fitness and huge figure and yet it is almost certain that he would have done a better job than all our forwards put together this season and together would also have probably brought more out of the strikers we have. It is clear for everybody to see that we need at least three players all of whom have at least League 1 pedigree and are better than what we have and that is not going to come cheap. The tall striker who leads the attack is the absolute priority particularly if GC is going to persevere with the kick and rush which is probably the only "style" we can play with our back four the way they are. We are playing this style without the tools to actually accomplish it!! Payne is suffering the main buck of the fans but is he really to blame . Has he ever been the out and out leader of the attack? I don't think so and am sure that we have not seen anywhere near the best from him. We needed in the summer a Devante Cole or a Tom Eaves , it was clear then and even clearer now. we present no threat in the air whatsoever to any team in this division and teams know that if they have a huge centre half we have no way of competing at either end of the pitch. I see two strikers,a left midfielder and possibly another central midfielder as essential or I fear we will be way adrift of safety by mid to end of February certainly based on the last two home games. Now we will all find out just what the ambition of our owners is. I fear that they are going to be found wanting and it is not a nice thought! The defeat Saturday proved a point but can only be a blessing in disguise if it spurs the owners and Manager into action. Absolutely not. The league table shows we cannot afford to lose games, especially at home. If this board had any idea of what was going on then the alarm bells should have gone off in September. We have known for a while that many individuals in this squad have not been and are not good enough for this level. We didn't need a defeat, to Wycombe of all people to find that out. The reason we are in the position we are in is because of the continual sales of our best players and the lack of reinvestment in of players of similar quality. Cogs should have had the brief to go and get 3 or 4 players immediately to freshen the squad up, give us some strength and depth, make the existing players here fight for their place a bit more and then worry about the "outs" towards the end of the window. All this one in one out is what will cost us. We are the Ipswich of L1 right now. Full of players good enough only for the league below with the exception of one or two and if those players are missing/also have an off day that the rest of the team does not perform. We should be out getting in regular L1 starters. So as an owner where do you draw a line under how big the squad gets? We have about 24 now do you stop at say 30 or keep going hoping for the best beyond that? Thought you had an understanding of business?
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Post by Henbury Gas on Jan 21, 2019 13:25:15 GMT
James Clarke now left the club then ? You really would look a right dickhead if he was sold, nothing surprises me with these owners Attack the post not the poster......
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Post by mehewmagic on Jan 21, 2019 13:30:04 GMT
No defeat can ever be described as a blessing certainly not one where we play like we did, I certainly didn’t come away from Wycombe having felt blessed to be in attendance that’s for sure! I think it’s been obvious for quite a while now that the squad that we have will only scrape survival at best and Saturday reinforced worries that our shortcomings could send us down. I would certainly like to think that new signings were in GC and the boards plans all along as we haven’t been playing that great football even when we have managed to get a draw or a slim win. On a final note, you mention crowds are down by 2000 but our average attendance is 8,103 compared with lasts years figure of 8,933, so only down by 800ish which really reflects well on the unwavering support of the majority of gasheads considering our awful home form this season, I’m not sure how long it will last if the last two home performances repeat themselves but the support is decent and deserves a lot better. Crowd figures are misleading as STs are counted. I wonder how many were actually in the ground. I'm sure the club already has a picture of how many ST holders have started doing other stuff on a Saturday. One thing I think we can all agree on is that there is currently a ticking timebomb over ST sales / attendances for next season, and therefore the potential of less money coming into the club. Within reason, whatever happens in the rest of this season, I suspect a decent proportion of ST holders won't be renewing. If we miraculously flew up the table with fast attractive football it may rescue it a bit but there are clearly ST holders staying away and rumblings about renewing next season. Most prices went up last season (not having a big debate over whether it was worth it; just stating the fact that food, drink, alcohol, match tickets etc all went up), but home form and performances have been abysmal.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jan 21, 2019 13:38:33 GMT
Crowd figures are misleading as STs are counted. I wonder how many were actually in the ground. I'm sure the club already has a picture of how many ST holders have started doing other stuff on a Saturday. One thing I think we can all agree on is that there is currently a ticking timebomb over ST sales / attendances for next season, and therefore the potential of less money coming into the club. Within reason, whatever happens in the rest of this season, I suspect a decent proportion of ST holders won't be renewing. If we miraculously flew up the table with fast attractive football it may rescue it a bit but there are clearly ST holders staying away and rumblings about renewing next season. Most prices went up last season (not having a big debate over whether it was worth it; just stating the fact that food, drink, alcohol, match tickets etc all went up), but home form and performances have been abysmal. The group I sit with was 8 strong last season and 6 this. None of us have decided on next season yet but the last time we talked about it no one was getting one!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2019 13:44:53 GMT
One thing I think we can all agree on is that there is currently a ticking timebomb over ST sales / attendances for next season, and therefore the potential of less money coming into the club. Within reason, whatever happens in the rest of this season, I suspect a decent proportion of ST holders won't be renewing. If we miraculously flew up the table with fast attractive football it may rescue it a bit but there are clearly ST holders staying away and rumblings about renewing next season. Most prices went up last season (not having a big debate over whether it was worth it; just stating the fact that food, drink, alcohol, match tickets etc all went up), but home form and performances have been abysmal. The group I sit with was 8 strong last season and 6 this. None of us have decided on next season yet but the last time we talked about it no one was getting one! Could it be because they no longer want to sit near you? Whatever activities you get up to under that blanket may be putting them off their sausage rolls? Just saying....
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Post by dragonfly on Jan 21, 2019 14:32:31 GMT
Our Team played well at Sunderland, just scraped over the line with the help of the crowd v Fleetwood and performed above expectation at Walsall and Oxford. Against Burton and Accrington they were flat and inept v Wycombe. So we know that they can do it if they set their minds and bodies to the task. They started on Saturday as if they had already done enough this Season and never upped their game to anywhere near the level to beat anyone in this Division or lower. So, we know they can perform but they seemed to collectively think Fu-k it, we get paid whatever the outcome (James Clarke excepted). GC said there was a lack of effort which is unforgivable. Whatever has infected them has been present for almost a full year and some at the Club must be fully aware of just what that entails.100% effort at all times may just get us over the line come May.
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Post by LJG on Jan 21, 2019 14:43:54 GMT
The lack of activity is poor, the board should be pulling out all the stops to prevent us being relegated but i dont think they care. It has been going on for too long now, if we are relegated Wael and Co better be prepared for some harsh words directed towards them. How do you know they're not? If you haven't seen Sunderland til I Die it's a good watch and very informative of the football business. If you're a reader The Secret Footballer is similarly instructive. Even chucking money around isn't always enough to convince players to join a club in the relegation zone.
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Post by twertonboy on Jan 21, 2019 15:28:23 GMT
I honestly think the board have decided it’s fine if we’re in league 2 so we don’t have to pay league one wages. Their blatantly reducing the squad and overall running costs..
I'd say that they are trying to live within their means - i.e. running the club without adding to the debt and trying hard to make a profit.
We will find a level that suits our income/ expenditure/ profitability - League 2 will be about it unfortunately - give or take the odd successful year.
Until all football clubs are run properly (never going to happen) then we are stuffed!
Keep dreaming if you think we can challenge the top 6 in L1 or reach the dizzy heights of the Championship! It won't happen!
We'll do well to win the Checkatrade Trophy!
This is how exactly what I’m saying that their not bothered about league 1 as they know financially we’re a league 2 club
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2019 15:38:22 GMT
We won’t see signings until the league 2 rebuild. Wael sees us as a league 2 club as he needs to minimise our losses. Until things progress off the field we will be moving backwards on it!
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Post by gasman on Jan 21, 2019 17:57:38 GMT
You really would look a right dickhead if he was sold, nothing surprises me with these owners Attack the post not the poster...... So sad Attachment Deleted
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