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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2019 16:01:55 GMT
If the players are confused by a simple commonplace instruction like hitting the big man early then there really is no hope for us! Bloody snobbish attitudes about playing long ball,its served warnock well in every league except the premier division. "If God had wanted us to play football in the clouds, he'd have put grass up there" - Brian Clough He also signed roger davies for derby and peter withe for forest and my memory is good enough to know they played more than a few long balls to those lads.
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Post by curlywurly on Mar 1, 2019 16:16:04 GMT
The Experimental 361 Expected goals model gave Rovers approx. 25% of relegation on 17th Feb, probably a bit worse post Sunderland
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Post by tommym9 on Mar 1, 2019 16:24:09 GMT
The Experimental 361 Expected goals model gave Rovers approx. 25% of relegation on 17th Feb, probably a bit worse post Sunderland
We've gone up to 33% after the 19th of Feb projects.fivethirtyeight.com/soccer-predictions/league-one/Oddly Walsall are more likely to go down than us using this model.
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Post by bobbyjones on Mar 1, 2019 16:28:20 GMT
Rovers will never go down again.Buck up you sad BASTARDS or go and have a beer.
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Post by tommym9 on Mar 1, 2019 17:00:55 GMT
Rovers will never go down again.Buck up you sad BASTARDS or go and have a beer. I'll have one of what you're drinking
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Post by pirate on Mar 1, 2019 17:02:28 GMT
"If God had wanted us to play football in the clouds, he'd have put grass up there" - Brian Clough He also signed roger davies for derby and peter withe for forest and my memory is good enough to know they played more than a few long balls to those lads. Some of the best football I have ever witnessed at Rovers was a direct style under Holloway, although I would argue there is a difference between that and long ball. We used to go direct to Roberts or Hayles (to feet), worked off them with Cureton finding spaces in the hole or wide and using the trickery and crossing ability of someone like Walters in the wing back role or wide midfield. We had the 'dogs of war' in midfield (Pritchard, Mauge, Hillier etc) who would win the ball back, keep things simple and give it the lads with ability, but the one thing that made that side so dangerous were goalscorers (2 or 3 of them) who were clinical and could get a goal from next to nothing. Sadly this current side doesn't have that goalscoring ability and when all is said and done...goals win games.
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Post by warehamgas on Mar 1, 2019 17:37:10 GMT
Lot of stuff is written about “long ball” and some of it is rubbish. Getting the ball as quickly as possible to your front men can be good football esp when we did it the way Ollie did it. Lots of clubs have done it and it can be good. The probem comes when you try to play a style for which you don’t have the players to do so. UTG!
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Post by warehamgas on Mar 1, 2019 18:12:13 GMT
The best football I’ve seen from Rovers this season has been when they play quick touch ball-to-feet to pass through the midfield to our front men. There were about 3/4 periods of play like this v Pompey and we looked dangerous and created a good chance. Depending on our team at the time we do have players to do this. If we are going to play to JCH then he needs players around him including a supportive midfield and that would probably need Sercombe being central or Lines. But in the end whatever style we play we need to create and be on the front foot. UTG!
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Post by Okebournegas on Mar 1, 2019 18:45:43 GMT
Rovers will never go down again.Buck up you sad BASTARDS or go and have a beer. Lovely stuff
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Post by aghast on Mar 1, 2019 18:54:37 GMT
I think GC is getting paranoid about losing at home and so sets us up to contain other sides. Unfortunately we then fail to create chances, and fail to contain opponents, losing narrowly on a regular basis.
The more it doesn't work, the more determined he becomes to stick with the cautious approach, because risking another defeat is too much to contemplate.
Managers often seem to develop a tunnel vision in their tactics, and persist with what has already failed, even when all around them are muttering that it isn't working. It even affected DC.
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Post by trueblue on Mar 1, 2019 21:30:51 GMT
In additon to Steve192 ‘s comment, a friend of mine told me on Monday after the Sunderland game that a close relation of his who is a regular first team player informed him that GC had instructed the players to hoof the ball forward to JCH at every opportunity. The team was divided by this lack of strategy from the manager causing doubt and confusion amongst some of them. That could be the same person then , because my mrs best friends uncle , knows the lady in the club shop who is extremely close to a lady who works in a retail shop at the mall at cribs causeway, who’s son told her that an academy player heard one of the first team players complain about the lack of updated facilities, so he went to complain to the youth manager and whilst waiting to talk to the youth manager GC walked past and he was heard saying exactly what you heard.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Mar 3, 2019 19:17:00 GMT
The Experimental 361 Expected goals model gave Rovers approx. 25% of relegation on 17th Feb, probably a bit worse post Sunderland
We've gone up to 33% after the 19th of Feb projects.fivethirtyeight.com/soccer-predictions/league-one/Oddly Walsall are more likely to go down than us using this model. Now 12 per cent with a big gap to the bottom four.
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Post by tommym9 on Mar 3, 2019 19:24:13 GMT
Now 12 per cent with a big gap to the bottom four. They must know something we don't.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Mar 3, 2019 19:44:53 GMT
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Post by socrates on Mar 3, 2019 20:06:49 GMT
Good form , Cogs has given us a chance. Scunthorpe up next , two draws and two wins from their last four at home. Will be tough.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2019 20:12:10 GMT
A lot more optimism around after yesterday but I still think we are more likely to go down than stay up - perhaps 60/40. We've had the odd false dawn a few times this season and our inconsistency always comes back to haunt us. Hopefully our apparent fear of playing at home will have been banished after yesterday as generally home form is the key to success.
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Post by pucklegas on Mar 3, 2019 20:13:25 GMT
Good form , Cogs has given us a chance. Scunthorpe up next , two draws and two wins from their last four at home. Will be tough. Not as tough as JCH 😁😁 if we continue like yesterday we will be well clear before the whippets and flat caps turn up at the mem!
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Mar 3, 2019 20:15:16 GMT
A lot more optimism around after yesterday but I still think we are more likely to go down than stay up - perhaps 60/40. We've had the odd false dawn a few times this season and our inconsistency always comes back to haunt us. Hopefully our apparent fear of playing at home will have been banished after yesterday as generally home form is the key to success. Bookies make us about 67% to stay up, 33% to go down.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Mar 3, 2019 20:20:00 GMT
Just noticed something really odd...
Rochdale needed to beat Charlton last game of the season to stay up. And they did.
Charlton ended up losing in the play offs...
Well, they have each other last game of the season, there is the potential for that same scenario to happen. Hopefully Rochdale are already down by then.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2019 20:20:43 GMT
A lot more optimism around after yesterday but I still think we are more likely to go down than stay up - perhaps 60/40. We've had the odd false dawn a few times this season and our inconsistency always comes back to haunt us. Hopefully our apparent fear of playing at home will have been banished after yesterday as generally home form is the key to success. Bookies make us about 67% to stay up, 33% to go down. They should watch us more then! Hope the old adage about bookies never being wrong is true!
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