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Post by pirate on Mar 13, 2019 17:14:00 GMT
Has anyone on here read 'The Football Code: The Science of Predicting the Beautiful Game' by James Tippett? I've just ordered a copy. According to an online profile, 'Tippett worked as a football analyst at Smartodds, a betting consultancy which turns over hundreds of millions of pounds each year. The company, founded and run by Brentford FC owner Matthew Benham, uses pioneering analytical methods to win money through football betting. Benham also uses Smartodds' data to recruit players for Brentford, allowing them to consistently sign undervalued prospects. 'Whilst working at the company, Tippett gained an insight into the unique and revolutionary methods used to gauge team and player performance. The 20-year old was a member of the department responsible for collecting match data, based on the Expected Goals method. Having been through the company's training programme, Tippett states that he will never watch a match of football in the same way ever again.' 'In The Football Code, Tippett promotes a smarter footballing philosophy. He reveals the ground-breaking system used by professional gamblers to make millions, unveiling previously undisclosed methods that have the potential to change the beautiful game forever.' See: backpagefootball.com/beane-benham-brentford-footballs-answer-baseballs-moneyball/115960/outsideoftheboot.com/2017/09/24/expected-goals-a-pioneering-method-of-analysing-football/
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Post by pirate on Feb 7, 2020 10:52:10 GMT
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Post by WeAreTheGas on Feb 7, 2020 11:06:14 GMT
How was the book you were on about above, Pirate? Sounds like something I’d be interested in.
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Post by chewbacca on Feb 7, 2020 11:14:54 GMT
Its complete bollox. Football is a very simple game. Its 11 vs 11. Get the best players you can effort that have enough talent for your clubs level in there respective positions and get them as fit as possible.Play a simple old fashioned formation like 4-4-2 and have the game plan to try to win a game of football. All this football manager crap and Sky/BT and BBC over analysing of the beautiful game is a head f**k and has over complicated things due to the money thats in the game today. Its complete bollox. Football is a very simple game. Its 11 vs 11. Get the best players you can effort that have enough talent for your clubs level in there respective positions and get them as fit as possible.Play a simple old fashioned formation like WM and have the game plan to try to win a game of football. All this Gusztáv Sebes crap and Charles Buchanan's Football Monthly and Raich Carter's Soccer Star over analysing of the beautiful game is a head f**k and has over complicated things due to the money thats in the game today.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Feb 7, 2020 11:27:47 GMT
Its complete bollox. Football is a very simple game. Its 11 vs 11. Get the best players you can effort that have enough talent for your clubs level in there respective positions and get them as fit as possible.Play a simple old fashioned formation like 4-4-2 and have the game plan to try to win a game of football. All this football manager crap and Sky/BT and BBC over analysing of the beautiful game is a head f**k and has over complicated things due to the money thats in the game today. Its complete bollox. Football is a very simple game. Its 11 vs 11. Get the best players you can effort that have enough talent for your clubs level in there respective positions and get them as fit as possible.Play a simple old fashioned formation like WM and have the game plan to try to win a game of football. All this Gusztáv Sebes crap and Charles Buchanan's Football Monthly and Raich Carter's Soccer Star over analysing of the beautiful game is a head f**k and has over complicated things due to the money thats in the game today. Its complete bollox. Football is a very simple game. Its 84 vs 117 (or whatever the population of your local vilage). Make sure everyone's watered up, get the biggest lads at the front and try to push the pigs bladder over the brook and up the hill through the cow field into the next village. All this Association rules at the Freemasons' Tavern, and disallowing hacking and knives is a head f**k and has over complicated things due to about three farthings thats in the game today.
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Post by pirate on Feb 7, 2020 11:35:13 GMT
How was the book you were on about above, Pirate? Sounds like something I’d be interested in. It was ok and worth a read. Basically goes into the role of data moving forward in the game. The author, James Tippett, has a new book out called The Expected Goals Philosophy: A Game-Changing Way of Analysing Football, which I want to read next. I'd recommend the book Football Hackers: The Science and Art of a Data Revolution by Christoph Biermann, which is also decent.
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Post by chewbacca on Feb 7, 2020 11:44:20 GMT
To be honest, I'm not overly enamoured with the tactical over-analysis of football generally by laymen. The idea that any tactics bar a 4-4-2 are over egging the pudding is fantastic though. Exceptional lack of any form of common sense regarding the issue.
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Post by pirate on Feb 7, 2020 12:02:04 GMT
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Post by A Source (aka Angry Badger) on Feb 7, 2020 12:40:56 GMT
When John Beck was Cambridge manager they just hoofed the ball upfield not really aiming at anyone. I think this was based on a stat showing that a high percentage of goals came from very few passes. Passing the ball around was completely bypassed Hideous viewing but did them well. Jon Taylor and Dion Dublin up front from memory
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Post by Marshy on Feb 7, 2020 12:46:49 GMT
To be honest, I'm not overly enamoured with the tactical over-analysis of football generally by laymen. The idea that any tactics bar a 4-4-2 are over egging the pudding is fantastic though. Exceptional lack of any form of common sense regarding the issue. Blimey, get you! :posh git:
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Post by lastminutewinner on Feb 7, 2020 13:16:29 GMT
When John Beck was Cambridge manager they just hoofed the ball upfield not really aiming at anyone. I think this was based on a stat showing that a high percentage of goals came from very few passes. Passing the ball around was completely bypassed Hideous viewing but did them well. Jon Taylor and Dion Dublin up front from memory
The success rate of scoring from corners is also very low, so with that in mind it's surprising fans get so excited by them!! (although understandable for us as its as good as it gets at the moment!)
I think Beck used to give his players the cold water treatment before the games as well which I well recommend having had a decent district level career. And some people think the ice bucket challenge was a new idea....
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Post by Squiffy on Feb 7, 2020 13:37:17 GMT
To be honest, I'm not overly enamoured with the tactical over-analysis of football generally by laymen. The idea that any tactics bar a 4-4-2 are over egging the pudding is fantastic though. Exceptional lack of any form of common sense regarding the issue. I don’t see what’s wrong with the 5-3-2 formation (that’s 5 up front) as the preferred setup in the 1974 Subbuteo rule book. The game’s seriously gone down hill since then with these fancy continental tactics. 😂
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Post by A Source (aka Angry Badger) on Feb 7, 2020 16:05:35 GMT
I've seen teams play a 253 formation but only to match the opposition line up..... Ah, that's table football, sorry
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Post by wilmslowgas on Feb 7, 2020 18:21:57 GMT
Do the stats measure attitude? Or is attitude reflected in a player's stats?
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Post by lpgas on Feb 7, 2020 18:40:49 GMT
When I was a kid it was Right back 2; Left back 3 ; Centre Left midfield 4; Centre Half 5 ; Centre Right midfield 6 ; Left Wing 7 ; Inside Left 8 ; Centre Forward 9 ; Inside right 10; Right Wing 11. Or the W formation when attacking and the M formation when you defended. I was number 7 Left wing, no defending for me, but regulary kicked, pushed or elbowed in the nearest hedge, and that's what made me even quicker then bloody 4-4-2 came along
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2020 20:58:11 GMT
When I was a kid it was Right back 2; Left back 3 ; Centre Left midfield 4; Centre Half 5 ; Centre Right midfield 6 ; Left Wing 7 ; Inside Left 8 ; Centre Forward 9 ; Inside right 10; Right Wing 11. Or the W formation when attacking and the M formation when you defended. I was number 7 Left wing, no defending for me, but regulary kicked, pushed or elbowed in the nearest hedge, and that's what made me even quicker then bloody 4-4-2 came along No 7 is right wing No 11 left wing The others are wrong as well except the full backs which you got right.
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