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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2014 16:54:39 GMT
Just got back from the game so apologies this will probably be a skewed account.
Negative:
- I'm sorry to say that watching that felt a lot like watching last years team. Absolutely reliant on "hoof ball" for any kind of attack, exemplified by in the dying minutes where the ball was passed back to Midly for another hopeful punt up the field rather than an attempt to try and take FGR on. I vaguely remember DC saying he prefers his teams to play passing football, well basically we can't do that in the air. So many long aerial balls were completely wayward, not to mention the corners that went straight out.
- I'm through being charitable to Matt Taylor. This is now a Soldado level of failure. I counted two chances in the second half (it's a little hard to tell what's going on from the north terrace in the first) where he completely missed the target after being one on one with the goal keeper. In the first half, our shots were timid affairs, along the floor with all the menace of a bunny fart. This needs sorting and soon. No one looks like they know what they're doing in front of goal and the goals for tally is testament to that.
- I can't believe Trotman missed that sitter...
- I don't know whether it was the abundance of tall players FGR have but we looked like we were being bullied all game. We need someone who will go to every ball and try every tackle, it seemed to me like there was a lot of sitting back and watching. Maybe missing Sinclair, I don't know.
Positive:
- The goal was only conceded because of some uncharacteristically stupid fumbling from Mildy. The game could have easily been 0-0 (not that that's great).
- I have never in my life witnessed a game where the referee was changed at half time. Say no more. Also some pretty flagrant time wasting by FGR I thought.
Conclusion:
This could be a very long season if we don't get a better striker. It's a good thing we've done well so far.
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Post by Centenary Gas on Oct 18, 2014 17:03:54 GMT
Before we played FGR away I posted that I was worried we would go there and hoof it, which gives them a definate advantage with their height and strength. We went there and played football and were the better team.
Shame we didn't go about it the same way today.
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Post by markczgas on Oct 18, 2014 17:58:19 GMT
Just got back from the game so apologies this will probably be a skewed account. Negative: - I'm sorry to say that watching that felt a lot like watching last years team. Absolutely reliant on "hoof ball" for any kind of attack, exemplified by in the dying minutes where the ball was passed back to Midly for another hopeful punt up the field rather than an attempt to try and take FGR on. I vaguely remember DC saying he prefers his teams to play passing football, well basically we can't do that in the air. So many long aerial balls were completely wayward, not to mention the corners that went straight out. - I'm through being charitable to Matt Taylor. This is now a Soldado level of failure. I counted two chances in the second half (it's a little hard to tell what's going on from the north terrace in the first) where he completely missed the target after being one on one with the goal keeper. In the first half, our shots were timid affairs, along the floor with all the menace of a bunny fart. This needs sorting and soon. No one looks like they know what they're doing in front of goal and the goals for tally is testament to that. - I can't believe Trotman missed that sitter... - I don't know whether it was the abundance of tall players FGR have but we looked like we were being bullied all game. We need someone who will go to every ball and try every tackle, it seemed to me like there was a lot of sitting back and watching. Maybe missing Sinclair, I don't know. Positive: - The goal was only conceded because of some uncharacteristically stupid fumbling from Mildy. The game could have easily been 0-0 (not that that's great). - I have never in my life witnessed a game where the referee was changed at half time. Say no more. Also some pretty flagrant time wasting by FGR I thought. Conclusion: This could be a very long season if we don't get a better striker. It's a good thing we've done well so far. Very fair assessment. We need to reassess how we play football and reassess our midfield/forward line up . I would only be confident going with Mansell and Sinclair for the remainder of the season with possibly Gosling but only if he is switched to the left wing. The rest are struggling. Send Cunny and Martin back - we need better.
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Post by Centenary Gas on Oct 18, 2014 18:00:45 GMT
With his lightening pace, could Leadbitter be an option on the right wing?
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Post by markczgas on Oct 18, 2014 18:14:48 GMT
With his lightening pace, could Leadbitter be an option on the right wing? possibly. He had one great run in first half and drilled a lovely ball along six yard box - sadly our front two were ................. not there. Don't think his technique is tight enough to play fall back - that's what got him sent off.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2014 18:19:15 GMT
With his lightening pace, could Leadbitter be an option on the right wing? possibly. He had one great run in first half and drilled a lovely ball along six yard box - sadly our front two were ................. not there. Don't think his technique is tight enough to play fall back - that's what got him sent off. Argh, that was another thing; how many actually decent passes to players that just weren't there in the final third? We had a whole week to train...
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Post by Mark Ash on Oct 18, 2014 18:43:46 GMT
I agree with most of the above, but also thought: 1. FGR played good, quick, ground passes in the first half, which was part of the reason why we couldn't function. We did miss Sinclair badly, disrupting and harrying the enemy, breaking that sort of thing up. If we can't do it ourselves, we must stop the opposition from doing it. 2. Martin was dreadful. What has happened to him? 3. That may not be the end for Taylor, but it feels like it tonight. 4. If someone could just deliver a ball to Harrison's feet we might see what he can do. I think he could be very effective if he didn't have to keep waiting for it to come down and compete in a head-tennis match. 5. That's now 4 sent off this season. Let's stop losing people during the games.
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Post by markczgas on Oct 18, 2014 18:57:06 GMT
I agree with most of the above, but also thought: 1. FGR played good, quick, ground passes in the first half, which was part of the reason why we couldn't function. We did miss Sinclair badly, disrupting and harrying the enemy, breaking that sort of thing up. If we can't do it ourselves, we must stop the opposition from doing it. 2. Martin was dreadful. What has happened to him? 3. That may not be the end for Taylor, but it feels like it tonight. 4. If someone could just deliver a ball to Harrison's feet we might see what he can do. I think he could be very effective if he didn't have to keep waiting for it to come down and compete in a head-tennis match. 5. That's now 4 sent off this season. Let's stop losing people during the games. Agree with you about point 1 - so why can't we play like that - what happened to DC's promises in the summer - players are copping out, including Mildenhall, and pumping balls to Cunny hoping for a miracle. There just doesn't seem any confidence in our play - they think they can win but don't look like they believe it (strange after 9 games unbeaten). Agree point 2 & 3 - enough said. Agree point 4 - Harrison got some awful service - felt sorry for him. Agree point 5 - Gasheads cannot keep blaming the refs - I don't think it is a coincidence that FGR didn't get a booking today - niggly and strong they were but they never gave the ref any reason to dish out the cards. They played well first half and finished the game off professionally in the last 10 mins.
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Post by Mark Ash on Oct 18, 2014 19:04:55 GMT
I agree with most of the above, but also thought: 1. FGR played good, quick, ground passes in the first half, which was part of the reason why we couldn't function. We did miss Sinclair badly, disrupting and harrying the enemy, breaking that sort of thing up. If we can't do it ourselves, we must stop the opposition from doing it. 2. Martin was dreadful. What has happened to him? 3. That may not be the end for Taylor, but it feels like it tonight. 4. If someone could just deliver a ball to Harrison's feet we might see what he can do. I think he could be very effective if he didn't have to keep waiting for it to come down and compete in a head-tennis match. 5. That's now 4 sent off this season. Let's stop losing people during the games. Agree with you about point 1 - so why can't we play like that - what happened to DC's promises in the summer - players are copping out, including Mildenhall, and pumping balls to Cunny hoping for a miracle. There just doesn't seem any confidence in our play - they think they can win but don't look like they believe it (strange after 9 games unbeaten). Agree point 2 & 3 - enough said. Agree point 4 - Harrison got some awful service - felt sorry for him. Agree point 5 - Gasheads cannot keep blaming the refs - I don't think it is a coincidence that FGR didn't get a booking today - niggly and strong they were but they never gave the ref any reason to dish out the cards. They played well first half and finished the game off professionally in the last 10 mins. On point 1: I don't know either why we can't at least try to pass it more. We may not be brilliant, but footballers pass footballs, don't they? I imagine training session games don't look anything like our matches. Still too much long-ball, which relates to point 4.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2014 19:09:53 GMT
I agree with most of the above, but also thought: 1. FGR played good, quick, ground passes in the first half, which was part of the reason why we couldn't function. We did miss Sinclair badly, disrupting and harrying the enemy, breaking that sort of thing up. If we can't do it ourselves, we must stop the opposition from doing it. I agree but only because we make any team that are able to intercept our hoofball look like Dam Real Madrid.
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Post by philbemmygas on Oct 19, 2014 7:36:43 GMT
I agree with most of the above, but also thought: 1. FGR played good, quick, ground passes in the first half, which was part of the reason why we couldn't function. We did miss Sinclair badly, disrupting and harrying the enemy, breaking that sort of thing up. If we can't do it ourselves, we must stop the opposition from doing it. 2. Martin was dreadful. What has happened to him? 3. That may not be the end for Taylor, but it feels like it tonight. 4. If someone could just deliver a ball to Harrison's feet we might see what he can do. I think he could be very effective if he didn't have to keep waiting for it to come down and compete in a head-tennis match. 5. That's now 4 sent off this season. Let's stop losing people during the games. Agree with you about point 1 - so why can't we play like that - what happened to DC's promises in the summer - players are copping out, including Mildenhall, and pumping balls to Cunny hoping for a miracle. There just doesn't seem any confidence in our play - they think they can win but don't look like they believe it (strange after 9 games unbeaten). Agree point 2 & 3 - enough said. Agree point 4 - Harrison got some awful service - felt sorry for him. Agree point 5 - Gasheads cannot keep blaming the refs - I don't think it is a coincidence that FGR didn't get a booking today - niggly and strong they were but they never gave the ref any reason to dish out the cards. They played well first half and finished the game off professionally in the last 10 mins. Mark I will disagree with you on the point of them not deserving any cards. Luke Rogers committed 2 bookable offences within a minute, not even spoken to. Number 6 dived into a challenge in the same area that Ledbetter was sent off. The official was a diabolical linesman & an even worse referee. Sour grapes, probably. ? We need to regroup & go again Phil
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Post by dmacca65 on Oct 19, 2014 7:50:28 GMT
Thankfully the rest of the evening was better than the afternoon bit by the sounds of it, great bit of entertainment in the club house last night, hope you all had fun with your Red cards, wasnt that the reason most turned up?
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Post by surreygas on Oct 19, 2014 9:17:35 GMT
Agree with you about point 1 - so why can't we play like that - what happened to DC's promises in the summer - players are copping out, including Mildenhall, and pumping balls to Cunny hoping for a miracle. There just doesn't seem any confidence in our play - they think they can win but don't look like they believe it (strange after 9 games unbeaten). Agree point 2 & 3 - enough said. Agree point 4 - Harrison got some awful service - felt sorry for him. Agree point 5 - Gasheads cannot keep blaming the refs - I don't think it is a coincidence that FGR didn't get a booking today - niggly and strong they were but they never gave the ref any reason to dish out the cards. They played well first half and finished the game off professionally in the last 10 mins. Mark I will disagree with you on the point of them not deserving any cards. Luke Rogers committed 2 bookable offences within a minute, not even spoken to. Number 6 dived into a challenge in the same area that Ledbetter was sent off. The official was a diabolical linesman & an even worse referee. Sour grapes, probably. ? We need to regroup & go again Phil Just to balance things up, yes, the ref (and lino on the Centenary side) was apalling, but how did FGR not get a penatly late in the game when Brown brought their player down - most blatant penalty I've seen for a long time. Also, we have benefited from a few other very dodgy decisions recently so although the refereeing is apalling at this level it is bad for both sides. This doesnt help the game flow. Although we didnt play particularly well (and havent done so throughout most of our 9 game unbeaten run) we created the better opportunities yesterday but poor finishing let us down - Taylor (again) and Trottman - so we should have got a point. But hopefully our poor finishing yesterday will be the final straw in making DC step up his search for a decent striker. And maybe the board will have to push the boat out a little further to get someone because the lack of striker is the primary reason why we arent pushing Barnet for top spot. I cant believe that a club that is getting 7,000 fans in the Football Conference against a club like FGR (who only brought 360 fans down)cannot attract a top striker.
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Post by Mark Ash on Oct 19, 2014 10:02:47 GMT
Starting to feel a bit desperate to see Balanta. Can't rush him, I know, but I'd sure like to see him soon.
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Post by markczgas on Oct 19, 2014 10:13:39 GMT
Mark I will disagree with you on the point of them not deserving any cards. Luke Rogers committed 2 bookable offences within a minute, not even spoken to. Number 6 dived into a challenge in the same area that Ledbetter was sent off. The official was a diabolical linesman & an even worse referee. Sour grapes, probably. ? We need to regroup & go again Phil Just to balance things up, yes, the ref (and lino on the Centenary side) was apalling, but how did FGR not get a penatly late in the game when Brown brought their player down - most blatant penalty I've seen for a long time. Also, we have benefited from a few other very dodgy decisions recently so although the refereeing is apalling at this level it is bad for both sides. This doesnt help the game flow. Although we didnt play particularly well (and havent done so throughout most of our 9 game unbeaten run) we created the better opportunities yesterday but poor finishing let us down - Taylor (again) and Trottman - so we should have got a point. But hopefully our poor finishing yesterday will be the final straw in making DC step up his search for a decent striker. And maybe the board will have to push the boat out a little further to get someone because the lack of striker is the primary reason why we arent pushing Barnet for top spot. I cant believe that a club that is getting 7,000 fans in the Football Conference against a club like FGR (who only brought 360 fans down)cannot attract a top striker. Surrey, it was actually Martin who blatantly tripped their player - it was right in front of us in The South Stand. Quite a few people were laughing it was that obvious. Martin is a liability when he defends around our box - did you notice how many needless free kicks he gave away too !
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2014 12:03:59 GMT
I had forgoten about the penalty they should of had,terrible decision from awful officials
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Post by surreygas on Oct 19, 2014 12:49:38 GMT
Just to balance things up, yes, the ref (and lino on the Centenary side) was apalling, but how did FGR not get a penatly late in the game when Brown brought their player down - most blatant penalty I've seen for a long time. Also, we have benefited from a few other very dodgy decisions recently so although the refereeing is apalling at this level it is bad for both sides. This doesnt help the game flow. Although we didnt play particularly well (and havent done so throughout most of our 9 game unbeaten run) we created the better opportunities yesterday but poor finishing let us down - Taylor (again) and Trottman - so we should have got a point. But hopefully our poor finishing yesterday will be the final straw in making DC step up his search for a decent striker. And maybe the board will have to push the boat out a little further to get someone because the lack of striker is the primary reason why we arent pushing Barnet for top spot. I cant believe that a club that is getting 7,000 fans in the Football Conference against a club like FGR (who only brought 360 fans down)cannot attract a top striker. Surrey, it was actually Martin who blatantly tripped their player - it was right in front of us in The South Stand. Quite a few people were laughing it was that obvious. Martin is a liability when he defends around our box - did you notice how many needless free kicks he gave away too ! Thanks for correcting me. Agree Martin had a poor game, not just his tackling but his all round play too. In fact he has had very few decent games for us. Hopefuly, we can replace him with someone more consistent.
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Post by Mark Ash on Oct 19, 2014 13:00:48 GMT
Surrey, it was actually Martin who blatantly tripped their player - it was right in front of us in The South Stand. Quite a few people were laughing it was that obvious. Martin is a liability when he defends around our box - did you notice how many needless free kicks he gave away too ! Thanks for correcting me. Agree Martin had a poor game, not just his tackling but his all round play too. In fact he has had very few decent games for us. Hopefuly, we can replace him with someone more consistent. I thought he looked a bit of class at first. He was much more threatening earlier in the season. Remember that ball for Cunnington's volley against Woking? He did a few of those. I can't understand why he's become so feeble.
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Post by socrates on Oct 19, 2014 13:41:58 GMT
Surrey, it was actually Martin who blatantly tripped their player - it was right in front of us in The South Stand. Quite a few people were laughing it was that obvious. Martin is a liability when he defends around our box - did you notice how many needless free kicks he gave away too ! Thanks for correcting me. Agree Martin had a poor game, not just his tackling but his all round play too. In fact he has had very few decent games for us. Hopefuly, we can replace him with someone more consistent. We need to replace Martin twice because he is our only winger . The way I've always seen it is you need 3 wingers in the squad if your going to play 4-4-2. 2 on the pitch and one on the bench. We have one not very good winger and one that hasn't played a single minute for us. Cunnington would score 20 goals a season for us if we had decent players out wide. I'm sure of it. Cunnington is being flogged to death in the same way Harrold was last season. Play some decent crosses in from the byline and AC would be prolific for us. Hoof it down the middle with his back to goal and don't support him and well..... That's basically what we've seen the last few years and it's why we are where we are.
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Post by GasAttacK on Oct 19, 2014 13:48:40 GMT
We should have won the match in the second half.
Taylor, Trotman and Harrison all missed absolute sitters and Martin, Cunnington and Gosling also had decent chances to score. What's maybe most worrying is that none of them even hit the target!
Despite not playing well with better finishing we could have had 4 or 5 and now be talking about our biggest win of the season. We created enough chances to win 2 matches.
We're still only 2 points off 2nd place so no need to panic but our attacking players have had enough opportunities now. Clark has got to make 2 or 3 quality signings to make sure we keep in touch with the top teams. Thankfully he assures us he's working hard to do just that and hopes to have 2 in this week.
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