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Post by Wimborne Gas on Mar 18, 2019 17:23:06 GMT
No ill feeling here, they’ve always been the wee little Zomerzet club to me. I Won’t deny it was pretty hideous when they came into the league & blitzed us off the face of the earth everytime we played them. The 4-0 thrashing at Huish Park & 2-2 at our place definitely went towards provoking a rivalry in some. The atmosphere when Savage & Elliot were red carded that night at The Mem was pure poison & one of the most hostile I’ve ever experienced, anywhere. All Worked out alright in the end thanks to Junior! I wouldn't call it pure poison, it was an amazing atmosphere and really fired the boys up 2nd half. The whole place was rocking under the lights and not seen the like since!
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Post by station on Mar 18, 2019 17:25:06 GMT
For DC to go to Yeovil would seem like desperation for a job, is he, would he be that desperate?
I cant for a moment see that being true, if they were mid-table and safe - maybe.
Like most people who listen to Radio Bristol on route home after a game, I cringe every time a Zummerzet Zid rings Geoff with tales of pity and how massive a club they are, dreadful.
Who heard the Zummerzet Zid last Saturday and his 'STAT-TIS-TICKS' pronunciation - a wonderful moment in radio history.
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Post by Hudson1883 on Mar 18, 2019 17:28:13 GMT
No ill feeling here, they’ve always been the wee little Zomerzet club to me. I Won’t deny it was pretty hideous when they came into the league & blitzed us off the face of the earth everytime we played them. The 4-0 thrashing at Huish Park & 2-2 at our place definitely went towards provoking a rivalry in some. The atmosphere when Savage & Elliot were red carded that night at The Mem was pure poison & one of the most hostile I’ve ever experienced, anywhere. All Worked out alright in the end thanks to Junior! I wouldn't call it pure poison, it was an amazing atmosphere and really fired the boys up 2nd half. The whole place was rocking under the lights and not seen the like since! I was right behind the dugouts, must be the key difference.
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Post by rememberhalifax on Mar 18, 2019 18:29:20 GMT
yep the atmosphere at the 2-2 was incredible and unforgettable, we could even have won it!!
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 18, 2019 18:41:07 GMT
For DC to go to Yeovil would seem like desperation for a job, is he, would he be that desperate? I cant for a moment see that being true, if they were mid-table and safe - maybe. Like most people who listen to Radio Bristol on route home after a game, I cringe every time a Zummerzet Zid rings Geoff with tales of pity and how massive a club they are, dreadful. Who heard the Zummerzet Zid last Saturday and his 'STAT-TIS-TICKS' pronunciation - a wonderful moment in radio history. I guess that depends what they offer him, £250K if he keeps them up may seem attractive to someone out of work, although we might still be paying him that a p.a. anyway! I agree with FN9 I can't see after Hurst that many Championship clubs taking a risk with an unproven Div 1 manager, looking at which clubs maybe replacing their managers this summer and apart from the bottom 3 I can only see QPR and Wigan in the bottom half doing that and I can't see either recruiting DC.
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Post by gashead1981 on Mar 18, 2019 20:49:14 GMT
I heard yesterday that DC already has a championship club lined up for next season. He won’t be going to Yeovile. And he certainly wouldn’t go there in their current predicament with no assurances on who the owners are going to be either. Sounds like BS to me. Would be surprised if he got a top 10 League One job, let alone a Championship one. He'll end up in L2. From what I hear it isn’t, and it’s come from a fairly reliable source who is direct with DC. it’s a decent sized club but not too big and not too big an expectation other than stabilise in the middle of the league a to flirt with the top 8 would be batting above their average.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Mar 18, 2019 21:41:38 GMT
For DC to go to Yeovil would seem like desperation for a job, is he, would he be that desperate? I cant for a moment see that being true, if they were mid-table and safe - maybe. Like most people who listen to Radio Bristol on route home after a game, I cringe every time a Zummerzet Zid rings Geoff with tales of pity and how massive a club they are, dreadful. Who heard the Zummerzet Zid last Saturday and his 'STAT-TIS-TICKS' pronunciation - a wonderful moment in radio history. What's a Zummerzet zid? I'm from Somerset and I've never heard of it? In fact, now that I think of it, I'm probably as close to Huish Park as I am the Mem! Edit. According to Google maps the Mem is about ten mins closer. Factor in Bristol traffic and I'd say Yeovil would be much quicker and easier to get to.
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Post by warehamgas on Mar 18, 2019 22:53:52 GMT
Sounds like BS to me. Would be surprised if he got a top 10 League One job, let alone a Championship one. He'll end up in L2. From what I hear it isn’t, and it’s come from a fairly reliable source who is direct with DC. it’s a decent sized club but not too big and not too big an expectation other than stabilise in the middle of the league a to flirt with the top 8 would be batting above their average. Good luck to him. From your description that would be Brentford, Reading, Millwall or Wigan because everyone else has PL expectations, more or less. UTG!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2019 7:47:45 GMT
Sounds like BS to me. Would be surprised if he got a top 10 League One job, let alone a Championship one. He'll end up in L2. From what I hear it isn’t, and it’s come from a fairly reliable source who is direct with DC. it’s a decent sized club but not too big and not too big an expectation other than stabilise in the middle of the league a to flirt with the top 8 would be batting above their average. Lots of stuff gets floated about in this game but I just don't see that happening at all. The only club you could be referring to realistically is Brentford and that's a very attractive role right now. He's clearly special in our eyes and rightly so, but outside of the club he's someone who achieved success in the Conference, L2 but struggled to build on that at L1 level. Struggled to compete tactically and in recruitment the higher up we went. No exaggeration to say that Championship jobs are one of the most sought after in Europe now. To appoint someone who was released having taken his club into a L1 relegation battle just wouldn't stack up. Paul Hurst's short and disastrous spell at Ipswich will have damaged the hopes of successful lower league managers who want a shot at the second tier.
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Post by gashead1981 on Mar 19, 2019 11:34:33 GMT
From what I hear it isn’t, and it’s come from a fairly reliable source who is direct with DC. it’s a decent sized club but not too big and not too big an expectation other than stabilise in the middle of the league a to flirt with the top 8 would be batting above their average. Lots of stuff gets floated about in this game but I just don't see that happening at all. The only club you could be referring to realistically is Brentford and that's a very attractive role right now. He's clearly special in our eyes and rightly so, but outside of the club he's someone who achieved success in the Conference, L2 but struggled to build on that at L1 level. Struggled to compete tactically and in recruitment the higher up we went. No exaggeration to say that Championship jobs are one of the most sought after in Europe now. To appoint someone who was released having taken his club into a L1 relegation battle just wouldn't stack up. Paul Hurst's short and disastrous spell at Ipswich will have damaged the hopes of successful lower league managers who want a shot at the second tier. I think lots of chairman up and down the country will know the dynamics of our club as well as the limitations on DC budget wise. They will also look at his whole transfer activity and what he made on transfers as well as the ones that didn't go quite so well. The modern manager has a shelf life of about 2-2 1/2 years and DC surpassed that. That speaks volumes too. For every Paul Hurst you will have a Dean Smith, who was Walsall manager, went to Brentford and is now in charge at Villa. Lee Johnson went from Oldham, to Barnsley to City and Alex Neil who went from a small Scottish team to Norwich, took them to the Prem and back and is now at Preston. My point is Paul Hurst's role at Ipswich cannot be used as a barometer for success or failure when you can point to others who have made a success of it. Its down to the individual and whether he can make it work at the club and you only know that for sure once he is installed. Hurst's problem was he didn't get the right mix of proven championship players with experience together with potential non experienced championship players who perhaps couldn't cope with the step up straight away. A lot of pressure was put on the inexperienced ones too quickly and they buckled. I'm not saying DC is a saint to the footballing world, but he is a very good manager who, in my opinion, has the potential to grow, become better and manager a bigger club at a higher level. Of course we don't know if he is able to do so unless given the opportunity.
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 19, 2019 11:49:30 GMT
Lots of stuff gets floated about in this game but I just don't see that happening at all. The only club you could be referring to realistically is Brentford and that's a very attractive role right now. He's clearly special in our eyes and rightly so, but outside of the club he's someone who achieved success in the Conference, L2 but struggled to build on that at L1 level. Struggled to compete tactically and in recruitment the higher up we went. No exaggeration to say that Championship jobs are one of the most sought after in Europe now. To appoint someone who was released having taken his club into a L1 relegation battle just wouldn't stack up. Paul Hurst's short and disastrous spell at Ipswich will have damaged the hopes of successful lower league managers who want a shot at the second tier. I think lots of chairman up and down the country will know the dynamics of our club as well as the limitations on DC budget wise. They will also look at his whole transfer activity and what he made on transfers as well as the ones that didn't go quite so well. The modern manager has a shelf life of about 2-2 1/2 years and DC surpassed that. That speaks volumes too. For every Paul Hurst you will have a Dean Smith, who was Walsall manager, went to Brentford and is now in charge at Villa. Lee Johnson went from Oldham, to Barnsley to City and Alex Neil who went from a small Scottish team to Norwich, took them to the Prem and back and is now at Preston. My point is Paul Hurst's role at Ipswich cannot be used as a barometer for success or failure when you can point to others who have made a success of it. Its down to the individual and whether he can make it work at the club and you only know that for sure once he is installed. Hurst's problem was he didn't get the right mix of proven championship players with experience together with potential non experienced championship players who perhaps couldn't cope with the step up straight away. A lot of pressure was put on the inexperienced ones too quickly and they buckled. I'm not saying DC is a saint to the footballing world, but he is a very good manager who, in my opinion, has the potential to grow, become better and manager a bigger club at a higher level. Of course we don't know if he is able to do so unless given the opportunity. If they look at DC's transfer activity over the last couple of seasons they'll soon move on to the next candidate, Nichols, Mensah, Bennett, Payne, Rodman, Matthews, meanwhile GC signs JCH & Agogo in just his first transfer window. As far as his budget what other Div 1 club outside the top 7 has spent £1m+ on transfer fees and also been given a mid table budget.
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Mar 19, 2019 12:52:02 GMT
I think lots of chairman up and down the country will know the dynamics of our club as well as the limitations on DC budget wise. They will also look at his whole transfer activity and what he made on transfers as well as the ones that didn't go quite so well. The modern manager has a shelf life of about 2-2 1/2 years and DC surpassed that. That speaks volumes too. For every Paul Hurst you will have a Dean Smith, who was Walsall manager, went to Brentford and is now in charge at Villa. Lee Johnson went from Oldham, to Barnsley to City and Alex Neil who went from a small Scottish team to Norwich, took them to the Prem and back and is now at Preston. My point is Paul Hurst's role at Ipswich cannot be used as a barometer for success or failure when you can point to others who have made a success of it. Its down to the individual and whether he can make it work at the club and you only know that for sure once he is installed. Hurst's problem was he didn't get the right mix of proven championship players with experience together with potential non experienced championship players who perhaps couldn't cope with the step up straight away. A lot of pressure was put on the inexperienced ones too quickly and they buckled. I'm not saying DC is a saint to the footballing world, but he is a very good manager who, in my opinion, has the potential to grow, become better and manager a bigger club at a higher level. Of course we don't know if he is able to do so unless given the opportunity. If they look at DC's transfer activity over the last couple of seasons they'll soon move on to the next candidate, Nichols, Mensah, Bennett, Payne, Rodman, Matthews, meanwhile GC signs JCH & Agogo in just his first transfer window. As far as his budget what other Div 1 club outside the top 7 has spent £1m+ on transfer fees and also been given a mid table budget. I agree that DC’s recruitment wasn’t as good at the end of his reign, but just for balance, DC also signed Sercombe, Craig, Holmes-Dennis, Kelly, Upson and Bonham (loan) in the last two seasons, which haven’t turned out as badly as the 6 names you have mentioned.
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Post by gashead1981 on Mar 19, 2019 13:59:18 GMT
If they look at DC's transfer activity over the last couple of seasons they'll soon move on to the next candidate, Nichols, Mensah, Bennett, Payne, Rodman, Matthews, meanwhile GC signs JCH & Agogo in just his first transfer window. As far as his budget what other Div 1 club outside the top 7 has spent £1m+ on transfer fees and also been given a mid table budget. I agree that DC’s recruitment wasn’t as good at the end of his reign, but just for balance, DC also signed Sercombe, Craig, Holmes-Dennis, Kelly, Upson and Bonham (loan) in the last two seasons, which haven’t turned out as badly as the 6 names you have mentioned. Quite. As well as making money on Taylor, Bodin and Harrison thus Bringing over a £1m to the club. Topper, where is the million you speak of? Are you talking the whole of his reign over 5 years or just the L1 seasons? If its 5 years then £200k per season is incredibly good value for 2 promotions and then 2 mid tables finishes and the highest league finishing position we have managed for 17 years...
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Post by lpgas on Mar 19, 2019 17:22:50 GMT
If he lost it in Div 1 I would be surprised if he went to a club higher than league 2. Swindon would be a good bet. Easy to get to from his house, and he will take Sinclair and a few others with him
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Post by peterhooper57 on Mar 19, 2019 17:35:30 GMT
DC could easily manage a well run championship club. Yeovil are irrelevant to BRFC, just a small town in south somerset.
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Post by justin blue on Mar 19, 2019 18:49:46 GMT
The tosser with the sign apart, why do so many Gasheads hate Yeovil? Never understood why. They are a small club who punched massively above their weight for a while. It was a great story. They also have a rich tradition for a mainly non-league club. I would take no pleasure in them being relegated. Genuinely interested to know if I missed a reason why they seem to be so hated? Like all football hatereds it's mostly irrational, but intense nonetheless and well deserved in their case. They came into the league and showed total disrespect for established sides and were a cheating bunch with a nasty cheating manager. Their antics in that 2.2 draw turned many against them and of course the twat with the placard which they all thought was funny at the time. Well the joke might be on them.
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 19, 2019 20:57:38 GMT
I agree that DC’s recruitment wasn’t as good at the end of his reign, but just for balance, DC also signed Sercombe, Craig, Holmes-Dennis, Kelly, Upson and Bonham (loan) in the last two seasons, which haven’t turned out as badly as the 6 names you have mentioned. Quite. As well as making money on Taylor, Bodin and Harrison thus Bringing over a £1m to the club. Topper, where is the million you speak of? Are you talking the whole of his reign over 5 years or just the L1 seasons? If its 5 years then £200k per season is incredibly good value for 2 promotions and then 2 mid tables finishes and the highest league finishing position we have managed for 17 years... Probably got carried away with the figure but i was referring to Nichols £350K, Mensah £80K, Payne £200K, plus Sercs £150K with Bennett apparently on £4K p.w, as I said which other club outside the top 7 have given their manager that type of transfer budget. As far as somebody saying THD & Upson were successes under DC one never played - GC told him to get off the treatment table(!) with the other hardly ever playing. I'd be surprised if the likes of Wigan or Brentford took a chance with DC and even more surprised if he was a success in the Championship, he really needs to start again with a top Div 2 or lower Div 1 side.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2019 7:54:20 GMT
Lots of stuff gets floated about in this game but I just don't see that happening at all. The only club you could be referring to realistically is Brentford and that's a very attractive role right now. He's clearly special in our eyes and rightly so, but outside of the club he's someone who achieved success in the Conference, L2 but struggled to build on that at L1 level. Struggled to compete tactically and in recruitment the higher up we went. No exaggeration to say that Championship jobs are one of the most sought after in Europe now. To appoint someone who was released having taken his club into a L1 relegation battle just wouldn't stack up. Paul Hurst's short and disastrous spell at Ipswich will have damaged the hopes of successful lower league managers who want a shot at the second tier. I think lots of chairman up and down the country will know the dynamics of our club as well as the limitations on DC budget wise. They will also look at his whole transfer activity and what he made on transfers as well as the ones that didn't go quite so well. The modern manager has a shelf life of about 2-2 1/2 years and DC surpassed that. That speaks volumes too. For every Paul Hurst you will have a Dean Smith, who was Walsall manager, went to Brentford and is now in charge at Villa. Lee Johnson went from Oldham, to Barnsley to City and Alex Neil who went from a small Scottish team to Norwich, took them to the Prem and back and is now at Preston. My point is Paul Hurst's role at Ipswich cannot be used as a barometer for success or failure when you can point to others who have made a success of it. Its down to the individual and whether he can make it work at the club and you only know that for sure once he is installed. Hurst's problem was he didn't get the right mix of proven championship players with experience together with potential non experienced championship players who perhaps couldn't cope with the step up straight away. A lot of pressure was put on the inexperienced ones too quickly and they buckled. I'm not saying DC is a saint to the footballing world, but he is a very good manager who, in my opinion, has the potential to grow, become better and manager a bigger club at a higher level. Of course we don't know if he is able to do so unless given the opportunity. I think the facts speak for themselves re: the wider perception of DC's reign. Success in the lower leagues and struggled to build a team at L1 level which resulted in his departure from the club. Our subsequent improvement is quite telling. Budget wise he was handed the tools to have a crack at establishing ourselves at this level and it was going the other way sadly. In terms of the examples provided, Johnson obviously got the City gig on connections. The success of Scottish managers in this country was a contributing factor in Norwich turning to Neil. Dean Smith was doing a great job with Walsall at was earning plaudits of their style of play at the time. All of the above were in jobs when poached and I'm struggling to think of precedents of Championship clubs appointing someone unemployed who left a previous job in a relegation battle in L1. Maybe Holloway getting the QPR job in 2001 but a lot has changed in football since that time. The particular comparison Paul Hurst makes sense given both didn't play at the higher levels of the game and attained a significant amount of experience playing and managing in the Conference or lower. Ipswich gambled on Hurst and it clearly failed. He's the most recent example of a club who have given the chance to a lower league manager and I've no doubt it will impact on the chances of other aspiring managers. Of course you can only know when installed but given the calibre of managers around the world interested in jobs at that level, gambling on someone who left his previous job at the level below and who's never played, coached or managed at that level would make very little sense. The evidence is that he's got a fair bit to do before registering on the radar of Championship clubs. Clearly a very effective lower league manager but major question marks exist whether he could be a success at L1 level or higher for me. If clubs were looking for lower league managerial talent, I'd imagine Cowley at Lincoln would be far in a way the front runner.
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Post by supergas on Mar 20, 2019 8:58:09 GMT
No probably not but on the flip side, would Yeovil going down/Chelts struggling increase our ability to attract the better local talent (that the 82ers don't hoover up)? Clutching at straws a bit here, admittedly... We probably would gain little or nothing in terms of young local talent and we might actually lose out on attracting loans from larger clubs - the south west is already a backwater that some potential loanees turn down purely based on location, Yeovil potentially going down means one less league club with players (probably other loanees) they might know inside a 50 mile radius......
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Post by warehamgas on Mar 20, 2019 9:33:20 GMT
I think lots of chairman up and down the country will know the dynamics of our club as well as the limitations on DC budget wise. They will also look at his whole transfer activity and what he made on transfers as well as the ones that didn't go quite so well. The modern manager has a shelf life of about 2-2 1/2 years and DC surpassed that. That speaks volumes too. For every Paul Hurst you will have a Dean Smith, who was Walsall manager, went to Brentford and is now in charge at Villa. Lee Johnson went from Oldham, to Barnsley to City and Alex Neil who went from a small Scottish team to Norwich, took them to the Prem and back and is now at Preston. My point is Paul Hurst's role at Ipswich cannot be used as a barometer for success or failure when you can point to others who have made a success of it. Its down to the individual and whether he can make it work at the club and you only know that for sure once he is installed. Hurst's problem was he didn't get the right mix of proven championship players with experience together with potential non experienced championship players who perhaps couldn't cope with the step up straight away. A lot of pressure was put on the inexperienced ones too quickly and they buckled. I'm not saying DC is a saint to the footballing world, but he is a very good manager who, in my opinion, has the potential to grow, become better and manager a bigger club at a higher level. Of course we don't know if he is able to do so unless given the opportunity. I think the facts speak for themselves re: the wider perception of DC's reign. Success in the lower leagues and struggled to build a team at L1 level which resulted in his departure from the club. Our subsequent improvement is quite telling. Budget wise he was handed the tools to have a crack at establishing ourselves at this level and it was going the other way sadly. In terms of the examples provided, Johnson obviously got the City gig on connections. The success of Scottish managers in this country was a contributing factor in Norwich turning to Neil. Dean Smith was doing a great job with Walsall at was earning plaudits of their style of play at the time. All of the above were in jobs when poached and I'm struggling to think of precedents of Championship clubs appointing someone unemployed who left a previous job in a relegation battle in L1. Maybe Holloway getting the QPR job in 2001 but a lot has changed in football since that time. The particular comparison Paul Hurst makes sense given both didn't play at the higher levels of the game and attained a significant amount of experience playing and managing in the Conference or lower. Ipswich gambled on Hurst and it clearly failed. He's the most recent example of a club who have given the chance to a lower league manager and I've no doubt it will impact on the chances of other aspiring managers. Of course you can only know when installed but given the calibre of managers around the world interested in jobs at that level, gambling on someone who left his previous job at the level below and who's never played, coached or managed at that level would make very little sense. The evidence is that he's got a fair bit to do before registering on the radar of Championship clubs. Clearly a very effective lower league manager but major question marks exist whether he could be a success at L1 level or higher for me. If clubs were looking for lower league managerial talent, I'd imagine Cowley at Lincoln would be far in a way the front runner. Agree with most of this and it is a very good argument well put, and in the light of the last 6 months hard to disagree with. Certainly Hursts failures at Ipswich will influence appointments perhaps for the next few months but will then get forgotten. But if DC leaves it too long so will he, he needs to be back for next season, in other words, appointed in April /May ready for the close season. UTG!
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