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Post by socrates on Apr 28, 2019 23:24:28 GMT
Lots of fuss about nothing. Play to the whistle. End of.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Apr 28, 2019 23:24:34 GMT
If we consider this unsportsmanlike all the playacters will be at this and the game will be at it every game and every match will end in a draw with in excess of 10 minutes added time. Actually, I think that would be more unsportsmanlike. Yeah, Kodja was actually injured but on balance 9/10 'injuries' are to cause a break in play and/or to get a water break and discuss a change of tactics.
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Post by socrates on Apr 28, 2019 23:27:07 GMT
If we consider this unsportsmanlike all the playacters will be at this and the game will be at it every game and every match will end in a draw with in excess of 10 minutes added time. Actually, I think that would be more unsportsmanlike. Yeah, Kodja was actually injured but on balance 9/10 'injuries' are to cause a break in play and/or to get a water break and discuss a change of tactics. Exactly. Head injuries are an instant stoppage if the refs doing his job properly otherwise play goes on. That’s all there is to it as far as I’m aware.
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Post by sheffgas on Apr 28, 2019 23:31:13 GMT
There’s nothing wrong with carrying on when a man is down. There’s something seriously wrong with almost stopping as if you’re going to tap it out for a throw in then keeping the game going after deceiving the opposition. Biellsa’s decision was one of the best gestures the game has seen.
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Post by socrates on Apr 28, 2019 23:36:49 GMT
There’s nothing wrong with carrying on when a man is down. There’s something seriously wrong with almost stopping as if you’re going to tap it out for a throw in then keeping the game going after deceiving the opposition. Biellsa’s decision was one of the best gestures the game has seen. I just think the ball shouldn’t be kicked out of touch for an injury unless it’s a head injury. Half the time when players go down it’s time wasting or play acting anyway and if a player is genuinely injured bad in his leg or foot then a few more seconds won’t make any difference anyway. The FA should tell all clubs to play on in those situations and never deliberately play it out of touch and leave the decisions to the man in charge.
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Post by Hudson1883 on Apr 29, 2019 0:20:23 GMT
Even after the instruction of ‘play on unless it’s a head injury’ the side with the man down will always try and force the opposition hand by stopping and demanding the ball be put out in an almost ‘go on, we’ve stopped so you have to kick it out’ kind of fashion.
As has been said, it’s about time teams started playing to that referee’s whistle and carry on regardless without any indication the ball could possibly about to be booted out. What’s not the ‘done deal’ is what Leeds did and duped Villa into thinking the play was about to be stopped and then take advantage of the statue defence to gain the lead in the match.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Apr 29, 2019 5:03:20 GMT
Football should look at what rugby does.
They should allow immediate treatment by the physio on the pitch without waiting for the ref to call them on.
That way the only stoppages will be for free kicks that the ref gives.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2019 10:03:58 GMT
Football should look at what rugby does. They should allow immediate treatment by the physio on the pitch without waiting for the ref to call them on. That way the only stoppages will be for free kicks that the ref gives. Managers and players are so cynical that they would deliberately run towards where the physio is working or kick the ball at them to force the referees hand.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2019 10:09:39 GMT
Even after the instruction of ‘play on unless it’s a head injury’ the side with the man down will always try and force the opposition hand by stopping and demanding the ball be put out in an almost ‘go on, we’ve stopped so you have to kick it out’ kind of fashion. As has been said, it’s about time teams started playing to that referee’s whistle and carry on regardless without any indication the ball could possibly about to be booted out. What’s not the ‘done deal’ is what Leeds did and duped Villa into thinking the play was about to be stopped and then take advantage of the statue defence to gain the lead in the match. Do you think the Leeds player deliberately "duped" Villa or was he just confused about what to do like a lot of players in that situation? All this faux sportsmanship is hilarious. How often do you see a player claim to be fouled and lie on the floor pretending to be injured and then as soon as he realises play is continuing he suddenly jumps to his feet and sprint back in to position? It's this cynicism that led the authorities to try and create some fairness and consistency by saying leave it to the referee to decide on when play needs to stop. If players just played to the whistle and let the referee manage the game then we wouldn't have a problem. We should also get back to proper contested drop balls when the ref feels the game needed to be stopped. There's a lot that winds me up in the modern game and this is one that is easily fixed.
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Post by wertongas on Apr 29, 2019 10:19:52 GMT
Should play to the whistle, FA say refs decision is final, players would soon be in trouble if they ignored the ref when he blows his whistle.
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Post by gashead1981 on Apr 29, 2019 10:53:40 GMT
Sorry it's not Rovers related, but anyone else seen this this afternoon? Certainly did. I don’t believe the ‘Villa should play to the whistle’ shouts. Leeds worked the ball wide, Roberts stopped still and shaped to put it out but then played the through ball when all the Villa players had stopped in turn. Shocking piece of what is effectively cheating. I’m glad to see the Leeds boss allowed Villa to walk it in. Although the Leeds Centre half tried to tackle Adomah on his way past! Just to top it off Patrick Bamford fell to the ground clutching his face when the Villa player brushed his chest, whilst all the chaos was spilling out of control. I’d expect the red card to be chalked off. Wouldn't it be lovely if Fifa/UEFA/FA brought in a rule which then award simulation of this kind the same as a straight red card would. 3 game ban effective immediately. Im pretty sure it would cut all the nonsense out.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2019 11:04:53 GMT
Certainly did. I don’t believe the ‘Villa should play to the whistle’ shouts. Leeds worked the ball wide, Roberts stopped still and shaped to put it out but then played the through ball when all the Villa players had stopped in turn. Shocking piece of what is effectively cheating. I’m glad to see the Leeds boss allowed Villa to walk it in. Although the Leeds Centre half tried to tackle Adomah on his way past! Just to top it off Patrick Bamford fell to the ground clutching his face when the Villa player brushed his chest, whilst all the chaos was spilling out of control. I’d expect the red card to be chalked off. Wouldn't it be lovely if Fifa/UEFA/FA brought in a rule which then award simulation of this kind the same as a straight red card would. 3 game ban effective immediately. Im pretty sure it would cut all the nonsense out. Totally agreed and it would be so easy to do and send a powerful message. Managers won't want players getting three match bans. I hear so many people saying that diving and play acting is driving them away from watching football - why can't the authorities act to stop more people becoming disillusioned with the game? It it would be nice to see Leeds make a statement apologising for Bamford's behaviour but they won't because they need him for the playoffs. It was quite easy for Bielsa to make his gesture yesterday as the playoff spot was already secured. If they needed three points for automatic promotion would he have acted the same way? Of course not.
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Post by rosssgb on Apr 29, 2019 13:16:43 GMT
You play to the whistle. You tell under 6’s that.
I would only ever put the ball out if the opponent had a head injury or was seriously injured (broken leg etc).
I really don’t understand this namby pamby opinion that when anyone goes down with any kind of contact we must kick the ball out. Modern day players fake injury all the time.
You play to win and someone feigning an injury should be used to your teams advantage.
Nothing wrong with Leeds goal IMO and I’m sure if more was riding on the game Bielsa wouldn’t have let Villa equalise.
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Post by gashead1981 on Apr 29, 2019 13:30:06 GMT
You play to the whistle. You tell under 6’s that. I would only ever put the ball out if the opponent had a head injury or was seriously injured (broken leg etc). I really don’t understand this namby pamby opinion that when anyone goes down with any kind of contact we must kick the ball out. Modern day players fake injury all the time. You play to win and someone feigning an injury should be used to your teams advantage. Nothing wrong with Leeds goal IMO and I’m sure if more was riding on the game Bielsa wouldn’t have let Villa equalise. Yes, always play to the whistle regardless of what is going on around you. This is the problem. There has been so much play acting and simulation through the years that it’s now hard to tell who is crying wolf and who isn’t. Which is why the authorities could and should do a lot more to stamp it out. A player who dives to win a penalty might get away with it, but if it was reported by the opposing team, which let’s be honest wouldn’t take much to review, and it was a clear decision that the player simulated to con the ref of an advantage, then a retrospective ban could be given. The same goes for the type of antics that we saw from Bamford and we have also seen from Dzecko as an example where feigning being struck by an opposing player in attempt to get a red card. Why should something which, is in effect cheating, not be punished? However in this instance Kodija was injured, seriously enough for him to be subbed. Now he went down under a fairly hefty challenge, which in my opinion, was a foul anyway having seen it. So the ref got that wrong. Given that the foul was in the middle of the park, any no real advantage to either side, The ref should have stopped play. Also all of the villa players stopped as they thought the Leeds player was going to put the ball out. You can either blame Villa for being naive or Leeds for being ingenious in creating an advantage. But we all know the moral sporting code in football whether it is written or not and in this case it took a good piece of sportsmanship from the Leeds boss to right the wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2019 13:32:13 GMT
You play to the whistle. You tell under 6’s that. I would only ever put the ball out if the opponent had a head injury or was seriously injured (broken leg etc). I really don’t understand this namby pamby opinion that when anyone goes down with any kind of contact we must kick the ball out. Modern day players fake injury all the time. You play to win and someone feigning an injury should be used to your teams advantage. Nothing wrong with Leeds goal IMO and I’m sure if more was riding on the game Bielsa wouldn’t have let Villa equalise. I agree. The guidelines were bought in a few years ago to avoid this type of incident but for some reason the players seem insistent on retaining this last bit of etiquette of the game. God knows why when they try every trick, gamesmanship and basic cheating in every other facet of the game! Let the ref take control. If he thinks it's a serious or genuine head injury then he stops the game. If there is a head injury necessitating a stoppage the player concerned should have to sit out for at least five minutes for a proper assessment - that would help stop the tactical head injuries aimed at halting opposition attacks.
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