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Post by mehewmagic on May 5, 2019 22:06:19 GMT
As much as I like TL, and championed his game time, I am disappointed that it seems he'll be knowingly OOC just after the compensation date lapses. Sad timing.
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Post by mehewmagic on May 5, 2019 22:12:44 GMT
Shambles. Let a key player, probably one with some value leave for free. So amateur it's unbelievable. Bit disappointed in Tom too if I'm honest, the club make no money. TL and his agent have used the rules of football to their advantage. He's done nothing wrong and neither have the club. If a player is intent on running down his contract then there is nothing the club can do and certainly nothing to do with being "amateurish". We are amateurish on many other levels though ! What has Tom done to disappoint you? If you think he should have only left when under contract earning us a fee at the expense of his own future income and signing on fee you are not living in the real world. He's been a fantastic servant to the club and should always have the respect of every gashead if/when he ever visits us in the future. There is though a valid argument that when the contract extension was signed, someone could have looked at a calendar and worked out that the extension would take TL to the worst case scenario for the club , i.e. OOC just after the compensation rule no longer applies. People talk about professionalism, yet...
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Post by mehewmagic on May 5, 2019 22:16:39 GMT
Firstly, thank you Tom for your contribution to Rovers both on and off the field. You have been a fine role model for any young professional and have never given anything less than 100%. As regards the departure. I seem to remember that we got Lambert to sign a deal even though quite soon after we got 1 million(?) from Southampton for him. Surely it would have been possible to negotiate a contract with Tom whereby if a club in a higher league came in for him we'd allow him to talk to them. Looking back at the investment in Tom over the years, from the days when he was a member of that fine youth side with Harrison, Cooper, Macey, Lucas etc it seems wrong that there is no return on that investment. Surely the Lambert one was a coincidence of timing. Why would anyone in their right mind cost themselves hundreds of thousands of pounds by signing a deal knowing an offer was going to be made. it is frustrating when players leave for below market value (or free) due to football contract law but there is nothing we can do about it. Just make sure we pick up our share of free transfers and 'fleece' another club of an asset they've worked on for many years !!!! Lambo wasn't a coincidence.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2019 4:25:48 GMT
Lambo wasn't a coincidence
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Post by Henbury Gas on May 6, 2019 4:43:07 GMT
Lambo wasn't a coincidence Was Lambo a coincidence ?
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Post by rememberhalifax on May 6, 2019 10:52:18 GMT
One could be forgiven for thinking that Tom might have cause to be grateful to Rovers for giving him a chance in the game to make it as a pro, and worked with the club to ensure we got something back for our investment in him, then again he might be of the mind that if a fee was involved there would be no takers and he would have to stay and of course if he takes any notice of this forum he may not think he is truly valued by fans,me, i would prefer him to stay as defense is sound unit at moment and the less disruption the better, he is a good reader of game and good defender, his main responsibility , but if you want more than that from your central defender ie defence splitting passes and surging runs through the middle then he is not your man and never has been, Alfie is a much better prospect and i would play him from the off next season, thanks for your efforts Tom but wish it could have ended differently if indeed it is to end.
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Post by daniel300380 on May 6, 2019 13:18:16 GMT
Surely the Lambert one was a coincidence of timing. Why would anyone in their right mind cost themselves hundreds of thousands of pounds by signing a deal knowing an offer was going to be made. it is frustrating when players leave for below market value (or free) due to football contract law but there is nothing we can do about it. Just make sure we pick up our share of free transfers and 'fleece' another club of an asset they've worked on for many years !!!! Lambo wasn't a coincidence. Think the Lambert thing is a myth and a coincidence. Didn't he sign a new contract with us about 6 months before he signed for Southampton??? At that stage he wouldn't have know, that they were going to come in for him. Plus he would have got paid more with us for those 6 months.
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Post by lastminutewinner on May 6, 2019 14:02:59 GMT
Always going to happen when he's playing with his fellow internationals and they are earning 5 times more than he is.
He wants to play at a higher level and knows he wont get there with us because we are not ambitious enough.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2019 14:13:11 GMT
TL and his agent have used the rules of football to their advantage. He's done nothing wrong and neither have the club. If a player is intent on running down his contract then there is nothing the club can do and certainly nothing to do with being "amateurish". We are amateurish on many other levels though ! What has Tom done to disappoint you? If you think he should have only left when under contract earning us a fee at the expense of his own future income and signing on fee you are not living in the real world. He's been a fantastic servant to the club and should always have the respect of every gashead if/when he ever visits us in the future. There is though a valid argument that when the contract extension was signed, someone could have looked at a calendar and worked out that the extension would take TL to the worst case scenario for the club , i.e. OOC just after the compensation rule no longer applies. People talk about professionalism, yet... Wonder who was in charge of doing any due diligence on the Clubs behalf before signing the contract ? I will bet all that I own it was Hamer.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2019 14:19:39 GMT
Shame that Lockyer has decided to move on. Good role model and good defender even if his distribution not the best. I think he could develop into a reasonable Championship defender with the right manager and coaching.
Guess as he's 24 there is no compensation but wonder if we made a formal new contract offer before his 24 birthday which he rejected how the rules would apply. The rules talk about a player being under 24 but don't say if that's on the end of contract date or when the new contract offered.
Anyone know for sure?
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Post by Gassy on May 6, 2019 14:25:44 GMT
Shame that Lockyer has decided to move on. Good role model and good defender even if his distribution not the best. I think he could develop into a reasonable Championship defender with the right manager and coaching. Guess as he's 24 there is no compensation but wonder if we made a formal new contract offer before his 24 birthday which he rejected how the rules would apply. The rules talk about a player being under 24 but don't say if that's on the end of contract date or when the new contract offered. Anyone know for sure? Was also wondering this, common sense would suggest that IF we offered him a contract before December 3rd 2018 then we should get something. However GC, SH & Wael all said he's going for free. Tbh, do you reckon we really offered him a contract in November? I doubt it
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Post by Topper Gas on May 6, 2019 14:54:28 GMT
Shame that Lockyer has decided to move on. Good role model and good defender even if his distribution not the best. I think he could develop into a reasonable Championship defender with the right manager and coaching. Guess as he's 24 there is no compensation but wonder if we made a formal new contract offer before his 24 birthday which he rejected how the rules would apply. The rules talk about a player being under 24 but don't say if that's on the end of contract date or when the new contract offered. Anyone know for sure? Seems pretty clear to me any player aged 24+ can leave on a free, the fact we offered him a contract is irrelevant given he never signed it.
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Post by wickers2006 on May 6, 2019 20:05:17 GMT
I believe Tom was offered a new contract but on reduced terms because of budget cuts
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on May 6, 2019 20:07:28 GMT
I believe Tom was offered a new contract but on reduced terms because of budget cuts Embarrassing if true.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on May 6, 2019 20:24:52 GMT
I believe Tom was offered a new contract but on reduced terms because of budget cuts Where'd you get this from?
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Post by gonzales on May 6, 2019 20:25:29 GMT
It’s not true though is it, absolutely illogical even by our standards.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2019 20:29:46 GMT
It’s not true though is it, absolutely illogical even by our standards. Yeh you just wouldn’t bother making the offer would you. Insulting at best!
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Post by Charlton Hayes Gas on May 6, 2019 20:30:47 GMT
I believe Tom was offered a new contract but on reduced terms because of budget cuts Our budget has increased this year hasn’t it? And Tom was one of the highest earners at the club. I wouldn’t read too much into the majority of players leaving, it’s just the new trend now that players and agents will run down their contracts so new clubs don’t have to pay a transfer fee so they can negotiate more on the agent and signing on fee, and I’m sure we will benefit as well as lose out from this in the coming weeks/months. all the best Locks!
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Post by singupgas on May 6, 2019 20:36:57 GMT
I believe Tom was offered a new contract but on reduced terms because of budget cuts 💩💩💩
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Post by yategasman on May 6, 2019 20:39:09 GMT
I wonder if he has been approached by a Championship Club someone like Cardiff perhaps?
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