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Post by axegas on May 6, 2019 20:40:42 GMT
In Lockyer's case I'd say it has more to do about ambition than money. He's seen teammates get moves and he regularly mixes with Championship players in the Welsh National team. He will want to secure that International future and play at a higher level and after 8 years of service to club, who can blame him?
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Post by Charlton Hayes Gas on May 6, 2019 20:53:28 GMT
In Lockyer's case I'd say it has more to do about ambition than money. He's seen teammates get moves and he regularly mixes with Championship players in the Welsh National team. He will want to secure that International future and play at a higher level and after 8 years of service to club, who can blame him? Oh I didn’t mean for my comment to suggest me saying he’s just a mercenary looking for a pay rise, out of all our players he’s one of few who have earned the chance to test themselves at the next level and has been a great servent, one who I will miss very much! i just believe instead of leaving for a fee now, players and agents have more bargaining power for when it comes to contract negotiations, and this is something we will have to get use to and not get very frustrated by going forward.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2019 21:01:47 GMT
It’s not true though is it, absolutely illogical even by our standards. Exactly, just sh** stirring by someone who knows nothing!
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Post by Gas_Quarters on May 6, 2019 21:08:33 GMT
I believe Tom was offered a new contract but on reduced terms because of budget cuts Our budget has increased this year hasn’t it? And Tom was one of the highest earners at the club. I wouldn’t read too much into the majority of players leaving, it’s just the new trend now that players and agents will run down their contracts so new clubs don’t have to pay a transfer fee so they can negotiate more on the agent and signing on fee, and I’m sure we will benefit as well as lose out from this in the coming weeks/months. all the best Locks! I don’t actually think we will benefit from this as I don’t think any club does. When signing a free agent, the money you don’t spend on a transfer fee you spend on an agents fee and signing on fee for the player instead. It’s all just money going out of the game. This is exactly why more money has to be pumped into football as agents fees and players earnings grow rapidly until they hit a point where they are out of control and the market will crash. Ridiculous as it sounds, it will happen one day, and god knows what the outcome is going to be when it does. Which in my view is why agents are the worst thing that’s ever happened to football. The authorities need to get a hold of it either by banning them (highly unlikely and possibly illegal??) or limit the amount of power they have or cap the amount of money they can take.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2019 21:14:54 GMT
Our budget has increased this year hasn’t it? And Tom was one of the highest earners at the club. I wouldn’t read too much into the majority of players leaving, it’s just the new trend now that players and agents will run down their contracts so new clubs don’t have to pay a transfer fee so they can negotiate more on the agent and signing on fee, and I’m sure we will benefit as well as lose out from this in the coming weeks/months. all the best Locks! I don’t actually think we will benefit from this as I don’t think any club does. When signing a free agent, the money you don’t spend on a transfer fee you spend on an agents fee and signing on fee for the player instead. It’s all just money going out of the game. This is exactly why more money has to be pumped into football as agents fees and players earnings grow rapidly until they hit a point where they are out of control and the market will crash. Ridiculous as it sounds, it will happen one day, and god knows what the outcome is going to be when it does. Which in my view is why agents are the worst thing that’s ever happened to football. The authorities need to get a hold of it either by banning them (highly unlikely and possibly illegal??) or limit the amount of power they have or cap the amount of money they can take. Ban clubs from paying agents full stop. Why should a club pay the fees of the players agent anyway - if the player uses an expensive agent rather than using the PFA for example let them fund it themselves. If the player receives a hefty signing on fee pay it through PAYE and let them pay THEIR agent from their own net pay. They won't find it quite so palatable then! Drive the leeches out of the game.
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Post by Charlton Hayes Gas on May 6, 2019 21:17:06 GMT
Our budget has increased this year hasn’t it? And Tom was one of the highest earners at the club. I wouldn’t read too much into the majority of players leaving, it’s just the new trend now that players and agents will run down their contracts so new clubs don’t have to pay a transfer fee so they can negotiate more on the agent and signing on fee, and I’m sure we will benefit as well as lose out from this in the coming weeks/months. all the best Locks! I don’t actually think we will benefit from this as I don’t think any club does. When signing a free agent, the money you don’t spend on a transfer fee you spend on an agents fee and signing on fee for the player instead. It’s all just money going out of the game. This is exactly why more money has to be pumped into football as agents fees and players earnings grow rapidly until they hit a point where they are out of control and the market will crash. Ridiculous as it sounds, it will happen one day, and god knows what the outcome is going to be when it does. Which in my view is why agents are the worst thing that’s ever happened to football. The authorities need to get a hold of it either by banning them (highly unlikely and possibly illegal??) or limit the amount of power they have or cap the amount of money they can take. Agreed, agents and the behaviour of them in the 21st century is a disease which needs to be stamped out straight away as it will only get worse. Like you say until the powers that be do something about this it’s out of our hands and we have to tag along and adapt until something is done.
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Post by daniel300380 on May 6, 2019 22:10:43 GMT
Sorry to see Lockyer go, especially on a free. He has been a good servant for the club and played many positions, especially during his early days.
On the plus side atleast we won't have to keep changing the team, every time he is on international duty. You can some times lose momentum, when player's are away. Plus I expect he was on a decent wage, so hopefully we can find a decent replacement.
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Post by yattongas on May 6, 2019 22:19:57 GMT
Players come and players go..... that’s football .
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on May 7, 2019 11:04:00 GMT
Sign Curtis Nelson - I believe he has run his contract down and is available on a free? He's always been one of the best Centrebacks in the division. The rules work both ways - we can lose players free and we can get free transfers in too. Good point, but we’re very slow in the transfer market so it’s likely he will be snapped up before we even show an interest First pre season since 2014 we haven't got DC in charge so it will be interesting to see whether we're still as slow off the mark.
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Post by Gassy on May 7, 2019 13:20:09 GMT
Good point, but we’re very slow in the transfer market so it’s likely he will be snapped up before we even show an interest First pre season since 2014 we haven't got DC in charge so it will be interesting to see whether we're still as slow off the mark. True! GC has set himself up for a slow start with his comments the other day. Whether it was DC being slow or the club, I guess we'll now find out. I personally think it was more of a club issue - I just can't imagine DC being the sort of bloke to take his time & sit on his hands about anything
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Post by endicotton on May 8, 2019 10:33:19 GMT
Good point, but we’re very slow in the transfer market so it’s likely he will be snapped up before we even show an interest First pre season since 2014 we haven't got DC in charge so it will be interesting to see whether we're still as slow off the mark. Tbh I think with the new dates of the transfer windows for lower league clubs that we will be even slower. Once the Championship have gobbled up all the half decent league players the lower leagues then we will then have a few weeks to replace whoever they have lost. Always rated Lockyer as a League One CB but he certainly isn't irreplaceable by any means, and as the club know so early that he's leaving then we have plenty of time to recruit properly and not panic buy as we did this season.
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Post by markczgas on May 8, 2019 12:25:47 GMT
First pre season since 2014 we haven't got DC in charge so it will be interesting to see whether we're still as slow off the mark. True! GC has set himself up for a slow start with his comments the other day. Whether it was DC being slow or the club, I guess we'll now find out. I personally think it was more of a club issue - I just can't imagine DC being the sort of bloke to take his time & sit on his hands about anything Retained list out now - that's quick for our club. Maybe GC/ Starnes more pro-active.
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Post by neilv93 on May 8, 2019 12:29:22 GMT
True! GC has set himself up for a slow start with his comments the other day. Whether it was DC being slow or the club, I guess we'll now find out. I personally think it was more of a club issue - I just can't imagine DC being the sort of bloke to take his time & sit on his hands about anything Retained list out now - that's quick for our club. Maybe GC/ Starnes more pro-active. Last year it was May 3rd and year before April 28th. So this is the longest it's taken in three years!
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Post by Gassy on May 8, 2019 13:32:49 GMT
Retained list out now - that's quick for our club. Maybe GC/ Starnes more pro-active. Last year it was May 3rd and year before April 28th. So this is the longest it's taken in three years!
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Post by warehamgas on May 8, 2019 22:14:02 GMT
Barnsley fans aren’t happy that their keeper Davies has been “allowed” to run down his contract and is likely to leave and go to Stoke. Which probably means Butland is off. Just goes to show that even getting promotion doesn’t protect you from your players wanting to run down their contracts and leave for better. Not just Rovers. UTG!
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Post by pirate on May 20, 2019 6:12:33 GMT
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on May 20, 2019 6:21:14 GMT
Like Brown, that would be a bit of a sideways step for me. Obviously they're ahead of us but for me they're not promotion guarantees and he could end up stuck in League 1 for a few more years if he heads to Pompey. If he has genuine aspirations of playing regularly for Wales I'm not sure they would improve much going there.
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Post by pirate on May 20, 2019 6:30:40 GMT
Like Brown, that would be a bit of a sideways step for me. Obviously they're ahead of us but for me they're not promotion guarantees and he could end up stuck in League 1 for a few more years if he heads to Pompey. If he has genuine aspirations of playing regularly for Wales I'm not sure they would improve much going there. I think it would be a good move for him. Big crowds, rich owner and for me Championship potential/genuine promotion candidates and the ability to stay and compete if/when they get there. If the owner wants to go that way, he could easily fund automatic promotion and I think Locks could do a lot worse.
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Post by neilv93 on May 20, 2019 6:50:08 GMT
Like Brown, that would be a bit of a sideways step for me. Obviously they're ahead of us but for me they're not promotion guarantees and he could end up stuck in League 1 for a few more years if he heads to Pompey. If he has genuine aspirations of playing regularly for Wales I'm not sure they would improve much going there. Agreed. If he really backs himself to be a second-tier player and a Welsh international, he needs to move to the Championship now and try and cement himself IMO. All well and good the likes of Pompey having 'potential' to once again reach those heights but if I'm Lockyer I'd be looking at Forest, Reading, Brentford, Swansea, QPR etc. (of those recently linked).
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Post by gas24 on May 20, 2019 6:51:36 GMT
We're Nottingham forest linked with him last year ?
Should have taken a fee then
If a player has 1 year left on their contract and refusing to extend their contract, we should look to sell , brings an income and then we don't have to go looking for free players.
Peterborough do this I think .. £13million net profit since the owner took over
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