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Post by farmygas on May 9, 2019 11:54:47 GMT
Gonna be bobbing along the bottom of L1 at best until we sort out the ground and training facilities but then DC told us all this ages ago. Next.
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Post by pirate on May 9, 2019 12:03:10 GMT
Actually, Kilgour is probably a bit taller than Locks. I've seen Lockyer listed as 5ft 11in in some places, but heard him say in an interview he was was about 6ft 1in (probably about 6ft ½ really). If you look at Kilgour pictured next to Coughlan they look virtually the same height and Coughlan is reported to be 6ft 2in. Alfie just looks like a CB too. Tall, built well and he's got a huge head. Probably learnt a thing or two from his dad too, who played over 1000 games at a decent level in non-league.
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Post by daniel300380 on May 9, 2019 12:18:42 GMT
I agree with most of that, too early to judge Kilgour yet and we all know what Lockyer could do. Is Kilgour really smaller though?? I know it says that on Google, but it has him as the same height as Nichols lol. He looked taller and is certainly more commanding in the air than Lockyer. A lot of the information on the internet is wrong. Maybe he can just jump higher, but wouldn't be surprised if that wasn't accurate, as Lockyer wasn't the biggest centre back. Actually, Kilgour is probably a bit taller than Locks. I've seen Lockyer listed as 5ft 11in in some places, but heard him say in an interview he was was about 6ft 1in (probably about 6ft ½ really). If you look at Kilgour pictured next to Coughlan they look virtually the same height and Coughlan is reported to be 6ft 2in. Didn't Kilgour have a bad injury, that set him back before?? I'm hoping he has a bright future, but like you say, we can't say he will be better than Lockyer at this stage. Hope we bring in a commanding centre half and Kilgour/Craig can fight for the other spot. Kilgour certainly impressed while on loan, they were gutted when he was recalled. Thier fans going OTT and saying he will be in the Premier League within 3 years, best player ever to wear the shirt, better than Mawson when they had him on loan etc on Twitter. Fans go over the top, but it's certainly encouraging.
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Post by Jomo on May 9, 2019 12:21:13 GMT
So a big clear out. With more likely to go if we can offload them (Payne, Bennett etc). Think letting Sincs go is a mistake. We've lost too many of the heart of our team took quick and this feels like the end of an era with only Ollie Clarke and JC left from our promotion from L2. It's going to be a massive summer and if DC was to be believed, our budget will be smaller. Especially with attendances decreasing year on year. I personally think GC is going to play an old fashioned 4-4-2 next season with a physical team with wingers. I think we hit our ceiling under DC and now gradually on the decline, I hope I'm wrong. I hope we're looking for another RB as JC and Partington won't be good enough to take us forward. We need more creativity in midfield and a poacher alongside JCH. You have to worry about our defence with Lockyer going and if Bonham doesn't come back. Craig is getting no younger. Great post GGMI, I totally agree. Hope we're wrong but I fear another struggle next season.
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Post by markczgas on May 9, 2019 12:23:00 GMT
"I like what GC says in that he will go for more pace and power which says to me that we will have more mobile players rather than the one paced team that DC created"
Good point Steve. We could see this from day 1 at home to Accrington - they were more mobile and moved the ball around quicker.
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on May 9, 2019 15:07:16 GMT
Nowhere fast, with the al quadi’s running the show !!! Utg.
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Post by lpgas on May 9, 2019 15:55:09 GMT
Sinclair has had an injury problem for the last few years. He has if I am not mistaken taken 6 or so weeks off each season. Now, it might be good for his future health if he took things a bit easier. A lot of players end up having all sorts of operations later in life. Lets hope it doesn't happen to him
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Post by hungdrawnandquarters on May 9, 2019 16:08:20 GMT
Who said I'm content? I posted directly to Wael I wasn't content before realising I was very much in the minority. There's zero we can do about the situation, as I said you either accept it or move on, spending a whole summer whining on here is not going to change anything when most fans away from this forum given the impression they are content with the situation. Wael won’t stay if we keep losing money in my opinion. With the current setup that’s the only option. The family won’t allow it. Changes must be made. i don’t believe we are in a minority, I don’t know any Rovers fans happy with our current situation. if we all take the attitude that nothing can be done then we only offer a losing mentality and let the owners get away running the club poorly. Thinking back to the radio interview waq did, hearing between the lines although he wouldn't say it explicitly, I think the club is for sale they want to offload it but they can't find a buyer. In the meantime until they find a buyer they are just trying to minimise their losses, stadium plans, training ground etc is all going to cost a lot of money, so easiest thing is to just delay things on the hope that someone else will come along in the near future and take the club off their hands. But I guess without a decent stadium or any concrete plans we are less attractive to a buyer. Yeovil deal fell through but you'd think we'd be a much better prospect than Yeovil as their potential fanbase has got to be pretty limited, Bristol can support two teams with gates of 25000 plus pretty easily, people want to see success and nice shiny facilities. We just have to hope someone with the money and vision does come along before we end up in the conference or the club winds up.
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Post by warehamgas on May 9, 2019 17:02:14 GMT
So a big clear out. With more likely to go if we can offload them (Payne, Bennett etc). Think letting Sincs go is a mistake. We've lost too many of the heart of our team took quick and this feels like the end of an era with only Ollie Clarke and JC left from our promotion from L2. It's going to be a massive summer and if DC was to be believed, our budget will be smaller. Especially with attendances decreasing year on year. I personally think GC is going to play an old fashioned 4-4-2 next season with a physical team with wingers. I think we hit our ceiling under DC and now gradually on the decline, I hope I'm wrong. I hope we're looking for another RB as JC and Partington won't be good enough to take us forward. We need more creativity in midfield and a poacher alongside JCH. You have to worry about our defence with Lockyer going and if Bonham doesn't come back. Craig is getting no younger. Certainly the end of an era with those players going and DC having gone. I’ve no idea about budget and I suspect few others have but with the players that have gone I guess money’s been freed up. Not too worried about 442 as we’ve played that mostly under DC. But until we see who we recruit it’s hard to say how we’ll do. Don’t know if we’re in decline, this year not as good as last but we saw a pretty good resilient team maintain our place in league 1. But keeper, RB, creativity in midfield and a striker are the positions we need to strengthen. I think GC will be determined to show his ability and will try and recruit early. Do that in the positions we need strengthening in and no reason why we can’t have a decent season. UTG! UTG!
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Post by warehamgas on May 9, 2019 22:46:53 GMT
So, you didn't want a discussion after all. I’m happy to discuss. But don’t insult people if you don’t like their views. Your previous message was answered. I haven’t the time to be wrapped up arguing with our own fans who all express opinions over and over again. I have been supporting Rovers since 1968 and have seen many up and downs. Mainly downs unfortunately. Let’s be honest when Waels family bought the club most of us though “at last we can go somewhere” we can’t even get a large tv screen installed on time. Agree with a lot of what you’ve said. I’ve been supporting since 1966 and have seen many ups and downs but I’ve seen as many ups as I have downs. We are mid table this season in the same league we were in the season I started. Our natural place, imo, is League 1. When I started we were usually at the top end challenging. We are still in League 1 but not looking likely to challenge. So perhaps not quite as good as we were. Where the frustration comes is that we’ve all seen clubs who don’t have our potential or who were way below us 50 years ago or who have found a money-man overtake us. In other words we are where we’ve usually been but have made little or no progress on what we used to be. The ground or rather no ground or the failure to update and maintain the Mem which would have been good enough if successive owners had just improved it side but side, or stand by stand is the elephant in the room. The bottom line is we’ve made no real progress on our ground for decades and frankly that is a shameful situation to be in. We’ve listened to enough words, plans, platitudes and promises (?) to sink the Titanic. But still nothing has happened. Shameful. UTG!
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2019 23:41:09 GMT
So a big clear out. With more likely to go if we can offload them (Payne, Bennett etc). Think letting Sincs go is a mistake. We've lost too many of the heart of our team took quick and this feels like the end of an era with only Ollie Clarke and JC left from our promotion from L2. It's going to be a massive summer and if DC was to be believed, our budget will be smaller. Especially with attendances decreasing year on year. I personally think GC is going to play an old fashioned 4-4-2 next season with a physical team with wingers. I think we hit our ceiling under DC and now gradually on the decline, I hope I'm wrong. I hope we're looking for another RB as JC and Partington won't be good enough to take us forward. We need more creativity in midfield and a poacher alongside JCH. You have to worry about our defence with Lockyer going and if Bonham doesn't come back. Craig is getting no younger. I think that’s very harsh on JC, he was considered one of our best players by many this season and I’d say right back is one of the least of our worries at the minute. As for the rest of it, I don’t think we can have any idea where we are going until we see what sort of investment is made this summer and the calibre of players we bring in. You may be right and we may struggle next year, you may be completely wrong. But we’ve just finished a season where the second half of it has been extremely good and we’ve finished midtable. At least give the club chance to do some business first, I think any talk of a decline at the minute is purely just being pessimistic. The clue on the decline subject is were cutting the playing budget and sacking staff. Can you Imagine lee johnson saying that in an interview and all their fans saying "no problem its fine".?
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Post by Gassy on May 10, 2019 0:19:12 GMT
You are just playing with words and becoming quite boring to me. Just because I don’t have the means to single handily change our setup doesn’t mean I can’t offer my opinion. No, you're playing with words. You're saying it's not acceptable, when clearly you're accepting it. If you say you don't like it, fair enough, none of us do. But saying 'I don't like it' just sounds like whining on the internet. But saying it's unacceptable sounds a bit more proactive, like you're gonna do something about it. But it's actually just empty words, right? And you are implicitly blaming other fans by saying stuff like "if we all take the attitude that nothing can be done then we only offer a losing mentality and let the owners get away running the club poorly." You're distancing your 'it's unacceptable' from other fans accepting attitude. But, as I said, that's just empty words, right, coz you just said you can't do anything. Never thought many of your posts as immature but jesus, as a mod what is your problem with a fellow poster voicing their opinion? Antonio Logic: Do you accept racism? Do you accept sexism? If you do, then you’re racist & sexist. If you don’t accept it then do something about it. Are you doing anything about it? No. Then p*ss off and day you don’t like racism & sexism, rather than you don’t accept it. Do you accept racism AF? If you do, WHY? If you don’t, what are you doing about it? For a guy who moderates a forum of opinions, you’re pretty dictatorial of what people should say Wish we had more mods like you 👌🏻
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Post by Antonio Fargas on May 10, 2019 6:18:13 GMT
No, you're playing with words. You're saying it's not acceptable, when clearly you're accepting it. If you say you don't like it, fair enough, none of us do. But saying 'I don't like it' just sounds like whining on the internet. But saying it's unacceptable sounds a bit more proactive, like you're gonna do something about it. But it's actually just empty words, right? And you are implicitly blaming other fans by saying stuff like "if we all take the attitude that nothing can be done then we only offer a losing mentality and let the owners get away running the club poorly." You're distancing your 'it's unacceptable' from other fans accepting attitude. But, as I said, that's just empty words, right, coz you just said you can't do anything. Never thought many of your posts as immature but jesus, as a mod what is your problem with a fellow poster voicing their opinion? Antonio Logic: Do you accept racism? Do you accept sexism? If you do, then you’re racist & sexist. If you don’t accept it then do something about it. Are you doing anything about it? No. Then p*ss off and day you don’t like racism & sexism, rather than you don’t accept it. Do you accept racism AF? If you do, WHY? If you don’t, what are you doing about it? For a guy who moderates a forum of opinions, you’re pretty dictatorial of what people should say Wish we had more mods like you 👌🏻 Never said he wasn't allowed to say it. You're just making stuff up. I'm just disagreeing with him. People have said before that they don't accept Rovers' performance/situation, and it's the fault of people who do accept it that we are in this state. I've disagreed with people a few times saying stuff like that, and no one managed to justify it istm, coz let's face it, it's bullshit. And it's divisive. Pointing it out isn't the divisive bit. Nothing to do with being a mod, either. I agree the words can be used with a different meaning, simply meaning 'I don't like it' or 'I don't agree with it', but that's not the context here: "if we all take the attitude that nothing can be done then we only offer a losing mentality and let the owners get away running the club poorly".
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Post by neilv93 on May 10, 2019 6:18:44 GMT
No, you're playing with words. You're saying it's not acceptable, when clearly you're accepting it. If you say you don't like it, fair enough, none of us do. But saying 'I don't like it' just sounds like whining on the internet. But saying it's unacceptable sounds a bit more proactive, like you're gonna do something about it. But it's actually just empty words, right? And you are implicitly blaming other fans by saying stuff like "if we all take the attitude that nothing can be done then we only offer a losing mentality and let the owners get away running the club poorly." You're distancing your 'it's unacceptable' from other fans accepting attitude. But, as I said, that's just empty words, right, coz you just said you can't do anything. Never thought many of your posts as immature but jesus, as a mod what is your problem with a fellow poster voicing their opinion? Antonio Logic: Do you accept racism? Do you accept sexism? If you do, then you’re racist & sexist. If you don’t accept it then do something about it. Are you doing anything about it? No. Then p*ss off and day you don’t like racism & sexism, rather than you don’t accept it. Do you accept racism AF? If you do, WHY? If you don’t, what are you doing about it? For a guy who moderates a forum of opinions, you’re pretty dictatorial of what people should say Wish we had more mods like you 👌🏻 What does racism have to do with it?
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Post by Gassy on May 10, 2019 6:24:28 GMT
Making a point of what you accept or don’t accept. I can change it to poverty if you’d like.
The point is valid, AF do you accept racism? You didn’t answer my question.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on May 10, 2019 6:27:20 GMT
Making a point of what you accept or don’t accept. I can change it to poverty if you’d like. The point is valid, AF do you accept racism? You didn’t answer my question. Sorry, I didn't realise it was a proper question. I certainly don't go on the internet and tell people I don't accept racism and anyone who accepts it is the reason we still have it. Also that's a sh** analogy coz we all get to be racist if we want, we don't get to run the club even if we want to.
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Post by Gassy on May 10, 2019 6:44:03 GMT
Making a point of what you accept or don’t accept. I can change it to poverty if you’d like. The point is valid, AF do you accept racism? You didn’t answer my question. Sorry, I didn't realise it was a proper question. I certainly don't go on the internet and tell people I don't accept racism and anyone who accepts it is the reason we still have it. Also that's a sh** analogy coz we all get to be racist if we want, we don't get to run the club even if we want to. Makes no difference. You were going on the argument of what we accept or don’t. Fans have different parameters they can find things acceptable or not, it’s not your position to pick arguments with them over what you believe is a wording issue. Who are you to essentially say they can’t find it acceptable? Becuse no matter how you look at it, that’s essentially what you’re doing. In regards to being a mod, unfortunately it also has everything to do with a mod. If you can’t see that, it’s worrying. You have authority on here, so your words come with weight, no matter how you look at it. Therefore a mod saying what you said, comes across as heavy. How should I put it? “I don’t like it”.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on May 10, 2019 6:55:42 GMT
Sorry, I didn't realise it was a proper question. I certainly don't go on the internet and tell people I don't accept racism and anyone who accepts it is the reason we still have it. Also that's a sh** analogy coz we all get to be racist if we want, we don't get to run the club even if we want to. Makes no difference. You were going on the argument of what we accept or don’t. Fans have different parameters they can find things acceptable or not, it’s not your position to pick arguments with them over what you believe is a wording issue. Who are you to essentially say they can’t find it acceptable? Becuse no matter how you look at it, that’s essentially what you’re doing. In regards to being a mod, unfortunately it also has everything to do with a mod. If you can’t see that, it’s worrying. You have authority on here, so your words come with weight, no matter how you look at it. Therefore a mod saying what you said, comes across as heavy. How should I put it? “I don’t like it”. Well, it's not just a wording issue, coz those words are used to blame other fans for the plight of the club. People say I don't accept it and so it's not my fault and if you accept it it's your fault like it's some sort of magic word for making them better than other fans. We've seen it many times. That's the issue I have. I've explained it a number of times, too. I don't care if someone says it's not acceptable, it's a common enough expression, I care when someone says if you accept this it's your fault, when all they're doing is absolutely nothing about it. When I was asked to be a mod, I said no coz I didn't want to not be a dick on the internet, and they said, don't worry, you can still be a dick on the internet, coz you're a poster first and a mod second. If you think my modding is corrupted because of the way I post, and I've made some unfair decisions then I'd suggest contacting another mod, and asking for me to be removed or something (although I imagine a bit of evidence would help your case). *sudden flood of PMs to Hugo* Also, fwiw, I find it a sh** argument when people say 'we should be allowed to say whatever we want' and then say 'you shouldn't say that coz you're a mod.'
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Post by neilv93 on May 10, 2019 7:00:35 GMT
Makes no difference. You were going on the argument of what we accept or don’t. Fans have different parameters they can find things acceptable or not, it’s not your position to pick arguments with them over what you believe is a wording issue. Who are you to essentially say they can’t find it acceptable? Becuse no matter how you look at it, that’s essentially what you’re doing. In regards to being a mod, unfortunately it also has everything to do with a mod. If you can’t see that, it’s worrying. You have authority on here, so your words come with weight, no matter how you look at it. Therefore a mod saying what you said, comes across as heavy. How should I put it? “I don’t like it”. Well, it's not just a wording issue, coz those words are used to blame other fans for the plight of the club. People say I don't accept it and so it's not my fault and if you accept it it's your fault like it's some sort of magic word for making them better than other fans. We've seen it many times. That's the issue I have. I've explained it a number of times, too. I don't care if someone says it's not acceptable, it's a common enough expression, I care when someone says if you accept this it's your fault, when all they're doing is absolutely nothing about it. When I was asked to be a mod, I said no coz I didn't want to not be a dick on the internet, and they said, don't worry, you can still be a dick on the internet, coz you're a poster first and a mod second. If you think my modding is corrupted because of the way I post, and I've made some unfair decisions then I'd suggest contacting another mod, and asking for me to be removed or something (although I imagine a bit of evidence would help your case). *sudden flood of PMs to Hugo* Also, fwiw, I find it a sh** argument when people say 'we should be allowed to say whatever we want' and then say 'you shouldn't say that coz you're a mod.' Thank god, not sure what we'd do on here without you being a total twat 24/7...
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Post by singupgas on May 13, 2019 22:16:20 GMT
Are we now going to get a summer of more silence from the board, what is going on with the ground, there have been people working so hard behind the scenes for so long now surely there must be a plan.
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