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Post by Severncider on May 11, 2019 10:25:18 GMT
Tbh we have hired quite a lot of staff over the past few seasons even making new positions for ex-players such as Mansell. Maybe after all this they realize too much money is being spent on the staff that's not necessarily needed? There's a few positions that some staff currently hold at the club where I'm not really a hundred percent sure on what they even do. Yes like the expenses claimed by the current custodians which to my knowledge were never claimed by Messer's Dunford, Craig or Higgs.
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Post by Henbury Gas on May 11, 2019 10:47:09 GMT
Tbh we have hired quite a lot of staff over the past few seasons even making new positions for ex-players such as Mansell. Maybe after all this they realize too much money is being spent on the staff that's not necessarily needed? There's a few positions that some staff currently hold at the club where I'm not really a hundred percent sure on what they even do. Yes like the expenses claimed by the current custodians which to my knowledge were never claimed by Messer's Dunford, Craig or Higgs. Oh dear
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Post by Topper Gas on May 11, 2019 10:49:39 GMT
Tbh we have hired quite a lot of staff over the past few seasons even making new positions for ex-players such as Mansell. Maybe after all this they realize too much money is being spent on the staff that's not necessarily needed? There's a few positions that some staff currently hold at the club where I'm not really a hundred percent sure on what they even do. Yes like the expenses claimed by the current custodians which to my knowledge were never claimed by Messer's Dunford, Craig or Higgs. What "expenses" there were none shown on the last year's accounts apart from the London office? Higgs was too busy trying to bankrupt the club to actually take any money out of it, even so he still managed to get a decent pay out when he sold up.
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Post by curlywurly on May 11, 2019 10:55:18 GMT
Kinda ironic that the Al Qadi's brought in loads of unnecessary personnel, head of recruitment head of paperclips etc, now they're probably gonna lay off a load of people.... If they simply wanted to cut costs surely all they need to do is dismantle the Development Squad, trimming the playing budget to a sensible level (do we really need 29 pros plus DS players?) is no sign of anything really. Likewise releasing Lines, Sincs & Leads is not a sign the budget is being cut, just they are no longer required. It doesn't seem like the 'right' thing to do, but from a purely financial point of view it is probably worth getting rid of the Development squad and every team below it that costs any money. Instead, turning to a model that relies on a first team squad of mostly free transfers and the occasional fee paying transfer and the staff immediately surrounding it.
Ollie Clarke made his debut in 2011, Tom Lockyer in 2013, but no one since then has emerged from the development squad to become a first team regular. Over the last decades we have 'lost' a small number of promising youngsters poached by Premier League clubs, with minimal financial compensation, but the numbers are small and in no way cover the costs of the activity. Possibly Alfie Kilgour will be the next that does come thorugh - I hope so, but it still doesn't destroy my argument.
I'm pretty sorry to arrive at this view, but we would be better off letting others do the hard work of developing players - instead picking up first team players on the market. At least until we are on a properly sound financial footing.
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Post by Jomo on May 11, 2019 11:05:17 GMT
If they simply wanted to cut costs surely all they need to do is dismantle the Development Squad, trimming the playing budget to a sensible level (do we really need 29 pros plus DS players?) is no sign of anything really. Likewise releasing Lines, Sincs & Leads is not a sign the budget is being cut, just they are no longer required. It doesn't seem like the 'right' thing to do, but from a purely financial point of view it is probably worth getting rid of the Development squad and every team below it that costs any money. Instead, turning to a model that relies on a first team squad of mostly free transfers and the occasional fee paying transfer and the staff immediately surrounding it.
Ollie Clarke made his debut in 2011, Tom Lockyer in 2013, but no one since then has emerged from the development squad to become a first team regular. Over the last decades we have 'lost' a small number of promising youngsters poached by Premier League clubs, with minimal financial compensation, but the numbers are small and in no way cover the costs of the activity. Possibly Alfie Kilgour will be the next that does come thorugh - I hope so, but it still doesn't destroy my argument.
I'm pretty sorry to arrive at this view, but we would be better off letting others do the hard work of developing players - instead picking up first team players on the market. At least until we are on a properly sound financial footing.
That would fly in the face of everything Wael ever said when he first took over. Focus on youth, evolution, sustainability, ya da ya da. It's a good mantra, and if they have ANY clue how to run a football club whatsoever, and ANY idea what they are doing, then removal of the youth teams and Dev Squad would be totally and utterly wrong in my view. Mind you they already trimmed that side of things when they promoted CH to assistant manager without bringing in a replacement DS Coach.
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Post by Topper Gas on May 11, 2019 11:34:04 GMT
It doesn't seem like the 'right' thing to do, but from a purely financial point of view it is probably worth getting rid of the Development squad and every team below it that costs any money. Instead, turning to a model that relies on a first team squad of mostly free transfers and the occasional fee paying transfer and the staff immediately surrounding it.
Ollie Clarke made his debut in 2011, Tom Lockyer in 2013, but no one since then has emerged from the development squad to become a first team regular. Over the last decades we have 'lost' a small number of promising youngsters poached by Premier League clubs, with minimal financial compensation, but the numbers are small and in no way cover the costs of the activity. Possibly Alfie Kilgour will be the next that does come thorugh - I hope so, but it still doesn't destroy my argument.
I'm pretty sorry to arrive at this view, but we would be better off letting others do the hard work of developing players - instead picking up first team players on the market. At least until we are on a properly sound financial footing.
That would fly in the face of everything Wael ever said when he first took over. Focus on youth, evolution, sustainability, ya da ya da. It's a good mantra, and if they have ANY clue how to run a football club whatsoever, and ANY idea what they are doing, then removal of the youth teams and Dev Squad would be totally and utterly wrong in my view. Mind you they already trimmed that side of things when they promoted CH to assistant manager without bringing in a replacement DS Coach. Was it "trimming" or just GC was content to work with CH, or wanted to leave it to this summer to bring in his own men, after all if we'd been relegated he may well have left. Plus DC's pay off had to come from somewhere, I bet sacking him and promoting GC/CH cost more than simply not sacking him. Although that doesn't fit in with your obvious anti the owners viewpoint.
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Post by baggins on May 11, 2019 11:45:29 GMT
It doesn't seem like the 'right' thing to do, but from a purely financial point of view it is probably worth getting rid of the Development squad and every team below it that costs any money. Instead, turning to a model that relies on a first team squad of mostly free transfers and the occasional fee paying transfer and the staff immediately surrounding it.
Ollie Clarke made his debut in 2011, Tom Lockyer in 2013, but no one since then has emerged from the development squad to become a first team regular. Over the last decades we have 'lost' a small number of promising youngsters poached by Premier League clubs, with minimal financial compensation, but the numbers are small and in no way cover the costs of the activity. Possibly Alfie Kilgour will be the next that does come thorugh - I hope so, but it still doesn't destroy my argument.
I'm pretty sorry to arrive at this view, but we would be better off letting others do the hard work of developing players - instead picking up first team players on the market. At least until we are on a properly sound financial footing.
That would fly in the face of everything Wael ever said when he first took over. Focus on youth, evolution, sustainability, ya da ya da. It's a good mantra, and if they have ANY clue how to run a football club whatsoever, and ANY idea what they are doing, then removal of the youth teams and Dev Squad would be totally and utterly wrong in my view. Mind you they already trimmed that side of things when they promoted CH to assistant manager without bringing in a replacement DS Coach. To be honest, most of what was indicated and promised by the Al Qadi's hasn't happened. Total let down.
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Post by Okebournegas on May 11, 2019 12:32:36 GMT
That would fly in the face of everything Wael ever said when he first took over. Focus on youth, evolution, sustainability, ya da ya da. It's a good mantra, and if they have ANY clue how to run a football club whatsoever, and ANY idea what they are doing, then removal of the youth teams and Dev Squad would be totally and utterly wrong in my view. Mind you they already trimmed that side of things when they promoted CH to assistant manager without bringing in a replacement DS Coach. To be honest, most of what was indicated and promised by the Al Qadi's hasn't happened. Total let down. Exactly how I see it too. “Finances aren’t an issue” those are the words I shall never forget.
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Post by baggins on May 11, 2019 12:37:05 GMT
To be honest, most of what was indicated and promised by the Al Qadi's hasn't happened. Total let down. Exactly how I see it too. “Finances aren’t an issue” those are the words I shall never forget. Turns out, it is an issue. And having been a rose tinter for years, I'm beginning to think that people, owners, with money, are nothing but complete liars.
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Post by Jomo on May 11, 2019 12:53:31 GMT
That would fly in the face of everything Wael ever said when he first took over. Focus on youth, evolution, sustainability, ya da ya da. It's a good mantra, and if they have ANY clue how to run a football club whatsoever, and ANY idea what they are doing, then removal of the youth teams and Dev Squad would be totally and utterly wrong in my view. Mind you they already trimmed that side of things when they promoted CH to assistant manager without bringing in a replacement DS Coach. Was it "trimming" or just GC was content to work with CH, or wanted to leave it to this summer to bring in his own men, after all if we'd been relegated he may well have left. Plus DC's pay off had to come from somewhere, I bet sacking him and promoting GC/CH cost more than simply not sacking him. Although that doesn't fit in with your obvious anti the owners viewpoint. Lol I'm not anti owners at all. I'm pro-Bristol Rovers. I can fully accept anything they do providing they can justify it. They do not effectively communicate any justification for what they do and so when on the face of it they are making cuts, I can only assume they don't announce it correctly because they can't figure out a way of spinning it to make it look like a justifiable decision that the fans will accept. I am open minded enough to accept cuts and delays and whatever, but I am not happy to just have them coast along and keep us in the dark about everything. They're happy to announce good things like the BRCT, that's great and I commend them for that. But it has to work both ways. Can't just come out with a few positives and sweep the other things under the rug and hope we just blindly accept it and carry on like nothing's happened.
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Post by Topper Gas on May 11, 2019 12:57:52 GMT
To be honest, most of what was indicated and promised by the Al Qadi's hasn't happened. Total let down. Exactly how I see it too. “Finances aren’t an issue” those are the words I shall never forget. But that was regarding financing the UWE stadium, who really knows why that deal collapsed (twice).
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Post by baggins on May 11, 2019 13:01:28 GMT
Exactly how I see it too. “Finances aren’t an issue” those are the words I shall never forget. But that was regarding financing the UWE stadium, who really knows why that deal collapsed (twice). I think we all know, it was down to UWE moving the markers as to what they wanted from the deal. Twice.
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Post by Okebournegas on May 11, 2019 13:13:39 GMT
Exactly how I see it too. “Finances aren’t an issue” those are the words I shall never forget. But that was regarding financing the UWE stadium, who really knows why that deal collapsed (twice). I agree , but let’s be honest our current ramshackle stadium with it’s embarrassingly poor tannoy system which either blows your earwax out its so loud or so quiet you can barely hear it, more tents than a bloody camping shop, continuously losing our best players in every transfer window , nothing of note happening with our training ground , DC actually having the balls to stand up and say all of the above won’t happen during his tenure, not being able to organise the installation of an outdoor tv. Things are still shockingly poor and light years behind pretty much every club in the football league. I was and still am hoping that things will improve but i will not be holding my breath.
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Post by Midsomer Murderer on May 11, 2019 13:18:31 GMT
Hope that pretty black girl in the bar with the huge knockers is not being let go
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on May 11, 2019 13:22:21 GMT
You've asked the same on the GC thread, why's it so vital you know who's leaving? 7 posts on a thread you were initially moaning about. Sums you up Topper Gas
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on May 11, 2019 13:27:30 GMT
I see you're still completely ignoring the fact that Lines, Lockyer and Sinclair all got very good send offs on Facebook. Still you keep beating the club with that stick of yours. Fair enough, I don't go on FB these days. Their website updates leave a lot to be desired though. My opinion and if they improve then I will commend them for it. I have no interest in beating the club with a stick. Nor do I have any interest in blindly accepting incompetence. I will always give credit where it is due and I desperately want the club to succeed and run professionally, with a vision for success. What is clearly evident in my eyes though is that they never want to make a statement about something if it comes across negatively. That is just poor form, and I for one would respect them a hell of a lot more if they fronted up and explained. Something like "regrettably we have had to trim our staff in order to ensure we remain competitive in League One. We therefore say goodbye to X, Y and Z, and thank them for their service to the club and wish them the very best for the future". That sentence took me less than 60 seconds to type out, and yet the club haven't managed it? You see now why I complain? It's not rocket science and that's what wateres me off. I do actually agree with what you're saying but these days I doubt many clubs write full on articles about each and every player that leaves and instead opt for the highlights video option. Just a sign of the times really. I'm not sure how many people actually use the website as their main source of info these days. If Facebook, Instagram etc didn't exist then I'm sure they'd have given them more than the nothing article that was published.
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on May 11, 2019 13:29:26 GMT
Before any staff are cut that London office needs to go! Along with one of the chairman/CEO/COO and whoever else is hanging on for a final paycheque.
Hardworking fitness, coaching and academy staff shouldn’t lose their jobs when we’re forking out money on such madness. that is all very well, but who is going to sit in those posh monogrammed premiership style seats in Boxes 1 and 10? Isn't it the away directors that use box one now? Or is Boycey still hanging around?
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on May 11, 2019 13:32:47 GMT
Tbh we have hired quite a lot of staff over the past few seasons even making new positions for ex-players such as Mansell. Maybe after all this they realize too much money is being spent on the staff that's not necessarily needed? There's a few positions that some staff currently hold at the club where I'm not really a hundred percent sure on what they even do. Yes like the expenses claimed by the current custodians which to my knowledge were never claimed by Messer's Dunford, Craig or Higgs. Care to elaborate?
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Post by Jomo on May 11, 2019 13:39:54 GMT
Fair enough, I don't go on FB these days. Their website updates leave a lot to be desired though. My opinion and if they improve then I will commend them for it. I have no interest in beating the club with a stick. Nor do I have any interest in blindly accepting incompetence. I will always give credit where it is due and I desperately want the club to succeed and run professionally, with a vision for success. What is clearly evident in my eyes though is that they never want to make a statement about something if it comes across negatively. That is just poor form, and I for one would respect them a hell of a lot more if they fronted up and explained. Something like "regrettably we have had to trim our staff in order to ensure we remain competitive in League One. We therefore say goodbye to X, Y and Z, and thank them for their service to the club and wish them the very best for the future". That sentence took me less than 60 seconds to type out, and yet the club haven't managed it? You see now why I complain? It's not rocket science and that's what wateres me off. I do actually agree with what you're saying but these days I doubt many clubs write full on articles about each and every player that leaves and instead opt for the highlights video option. Just a sign of the times really. I'm not sure how many people actually use the website as their main source of info these days. If Facebook, Instagram etc didn't exist then I'm sure they'd have given them more than the nothing article that was published. Perhaps you're right and I ought to follow the social media platforms more, but regarding the website they obviously play to double standards. I see plenty of updates on there regarding the Dev Squad (particularly if they win) and the BRCT. That's good, but it just comes across as a little bit of "censorship" and that really annoys me. You can't just publish good things and sweep the rest under the rug. It breeds scepticism and negativity for a start, which is unnecessary and they pretty much bring it on themselves.
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Post by Topper Gas on May 11, 2019 13:54:59 GMT
You've asked the same on the GC thread, why's it so vital you know who's leaving? 7 posts on a thread you were initially moaning about. Sums you up Topper Gas What's up, are you disappointed nobody has confirmed who's leaving yet even though you've asked the same question twice?
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