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Post by Marshy on May 21, 2019 10:53:28 GMT
There is a difference between not trying, and being outclassed by better players. Tom Nicols inst good enough, but I can honestly say I have never seen that lad not try. Stefan Payne was lazy, didn't run, didn't jump, didn't want the ball, gave the ball away when he did have it, didn't make any effort to win a ball. Except his first game. After that he was utter toilet. Totally agree - his first match he ran himself into the ground - the rest is history!! Even Luke James tried and put effort in, but Peterborough knew what they were doing when they shipped out both Nichols and James to us - what a strike force! - unbelievable their combined goal return. If we add up their total number of EFL games for us (including Payne) - maybe 200 + (ish) ? and a net return of maybe 4 goals between the three of them - it beggars belief. Lol! And at least 2 of those goals were pens!
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Post by cj on May 21, 2019 11:05:54 GMT
Hindsight is a wonderful thing. Shrewsbury had a great season being in the top 2 all season and missed out on an automatic spot right at the end and failed in the play offs. Rodman and Payne was instrumental in Shrewsbury's season. Payne was their top scorer. Personally, he wasn't a name I was really aware of and underwhelmed by his signing but then I saw he was Shrewsbury's top scorer and thought he must have something about him. I can see why DC went for him. After going through a season of Luke James then followed by the next season of Tom Nichols, Payne must have been very attractive to DC after proving himself in his final season at Shrewsbury.
He scored 9 league goals from open play last season. Wow. Not sure I warranted the sarcasm to be honest. I didn't say I rate him or anything. I just said after the seasons Luke James had with us followed by Nichols first season with us, I can see why DC went for a striker who was top scorer for a team who was top 3 all season. DC must have seen something in him. Maybe it was his 7 goals in his first 11 games for Shrewsbury that did it for DC and he had hoped for that same impact for us. I don't know. Maybe DC was desperate for a striker and he was best of a bad bunch. I would hate to see the rest of the strikers in that bunch if he was the best of them! You can keep the sarcasm though.
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Post by lastminutewinner on May 21, 2019 11:32:12 GMT
There is a difference between not trying, and being outclassed by better players. Tom Nicols inst good enough, but I can honestly say I have never seen that lad not try. Stefan Payne was lazy, didn't run, didn't jump, didn't want the ball, gave the ball away when he did have it, didn't make any effort to win a ball. Except his first game. After that he was utter toilet. Totally agree - his first match he ran himself into the ground - the rest is history!! Even Luke James tried and put effort in, but Peterborough knew what they were doing when they shipped out both Nichols and James to us - what a strike force! - unbelievable their combined goal return. If we add up their total number of EFL games for us (including Payne) - maybe 200 + (ish) ? and a net return of maybe 4 goals between the three of them - it beggars belief.
Also known as Michael Meaker syndrome
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on May 21, 2019 11:32:21 GMT
There is a difference between not trying, and being outclassed by better players. Tom Nicols inst good enough, but I can honestly say I have never seen that lad not try. Stefan Payne was lazy, didn't run, didn't jump, didn't want the ball, gave the ball away when he did have it, didn't make any effort to win a ball. Except his first game. After that he was utter toilet. Totally agree - his first match he ran himself into the ground - the rest is history!! Even Luke James tried and put effort in, but Peterborough knew what they were doing when they shipped out both Nichols and James to us - what a strike force! - unbelievable their combined goal return. If we add up their total number of EFL games for us (including Payne) - maybe 200 + (ish) ? and a net return of maybe 4 goals between the three of them - it beggars belief. It's about 120 games
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Post by mariobalotelli on May 21, 2019 11:57:05 GMT
He scored 9 league goals from open play last season. Wow. Not sure I warranted the sarcasm to be honest. I didn't say I rate him or anything. I just said after the seasons Luke James had with us followed by Nichols first season with us, I can see why DC went for a striker who was top scorer for a team who was top 3 all season. DC must have seen something in him. Maybe it was his 7 goals in his first 11 games for Shrewsbury that did it for DC and he had hoped for that same impact for us. I don't know. Maybe DC was desperate for a striker and he was best of a bad bunch. I would hate to see the rest of the strikers in that bunch if he was the best of them! You can keep the sarcasm though. Or the worst? We signed him fairly late so it's obvious we missed out on other targets
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Post by pirate on May 21, 2019 12:13:50 GMT
He scored 9 league goals from open play last season. Wow. Not sure I warranted the sarcasm to be honest. I didn't say I rate him or anything. I just said after the seasons Luke James had with us followed by Nichols first season with us, I can see why DC went for a striker who was top scorer for a team who was top 3 all season. DC must have seen something in him. Maybe it was his 7 goals in his first 11 games for Shrewsbury that did it for DC and he had hoped for that same impact for us. I don't know. Maybe DC was desperate for a striker and he was best of a bad bunch. I would hate to see the rest of the strikers in that bunch if he was the best of them! You can keep the sarcasm though. The sarcasm was more a dig at Payne rather than you. Sorry for the confusion.
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Post by rememberhalifax on May 21, 2019 13:12:44 GMT
Did not see much of Stefan last season and was not that impressed with what little i did see. His unveiling photo call was not exactly one to give you the impression he was glad to be here,talk about Mr Edge! However he is still our player and should start the season with a clean slate, you never know he might hit it off with JCH and form a deadly partnership!He is a bit daft to get involved with Twitter spats,given he may well be a wind up merchant,it just gives ammo to the ones who dont want him here and can't imagine he will be looking forward to new season at Rovers if he reads the comments on this forum, not exactly welcoming are they?Me, well he is a Rovers player and i hope he has the character to prove a lot of fans wrong , so i will give the bloke a chance, up the Rovers!
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Post by completewingback on May 21, 2019 13:36:52 GMT
Look we can all argue about whether Payne is or isn't trying, or is/isn't a good player, yadda yadda. I certainly wouldn't want him here for the season and I think he's a belter.
But the point of the thread was some clickbait bulls**t. Payne VERY obviously was being ironic to the lad there when he said he "didn't try" for us. We already have enough negativity in this club that we don't need any more sh**-stirring over sensationalism and blowing things out of proportion. Go water a plant, play some FIFA, jog, have a coffee while reading a book or what have you.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2019 14:32:39 GMT
There’s a player in there somewhere surely.
A few have said it before but I wonder what he would be like alongside JCH ? He had to do a lot on his own in a really poor side which clearly wasn’t his strength...
Hopefully both parties get a fresh start as I sense things are damaged beyond repair.
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Post by mattgashead on May 21, 2019 14:39:00 GMT
If Stefan Payne was a decent professional, he wouldn’t have replied. As we all saw at Barnsley he’s anything but that. Personally I don’t have a problem with players who aren’t good enough (such as Adam Smith), what I do have a problem with is players who come with an attitude problem and clearly don’t care about the club. Stefan Payne fits into the latter category for sure. Hopefully he’ll be gone in the summer, but it will be difficult to find a club who will willingly pay the wages we are paying him, and he doesn’t seem like the sort of professional to take a pay cut to help his career...
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2019 14:51:00 GMT
Look we can all argue about whether Payne is or isn't trying, or is/isn't a good player, yadda yadda. I certainly wouldn't want him here for the season and I think he's a belter. But the point of the thread was some clickbait bulls**t. Payne VERY obviously was being ironic to the lad there when he said he "didn't try" for us. We already have enough negativity in this club that we don't need any more sh**-stirring over sensationalism and blowing things out of proportion. Go water a plant, play some FIFA, jog, have a coffee while reading a book or what have you. he puts it on himself he could be a professional and not say anything instead he does all this. Tells fans to f**k off puts no effort ect ect. It was not clickbait at all the bloke is a prick and I can’t wait for him to leave
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Post by Big Jock on May 21, 2019 14:59:58 GMT
Merely banter ta me.
If ye can't handle it, don't hand it out i say.
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Post by Topper Gas on May 21, 2019 15:06:59 GMT
Look we can all argue about whether Payne is or isn't trying, or is/isn't a good player, yadda yadda. I certainly wouldn't want him here for the season and I think he's a belter. But the point of the thread was some clickbait bulls**t. Payne VERY obviously was being ironic to the lad there when he said he "didn't try" for us. We already have enough negativity in this club that we don't need any more sh**-stirring over sensationalism and blowing things out of proportion. Go water a plant, play some FIFA, jog, have a coffee while reading a book or what have you. he puts it on himself he could be a professional and not say anything instead he does all this. Tells fans to f**k off puts no effort ect ect. It was not clickbait at all the bloke is a prick and I can’t wait for him to leave For most of us it was clickbit, as far as him leaving I'm happy to leave that decision to GC.
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Post by completewingback on May 21, 2019 15:34:54 GMT
Look we can all argue about whether Payne is or isn't trying, or is/isn't a good player, yadda yadda. I certainly wouldn't want him here for the season and I think he's a belter. But the point of the thread was some clickbait bulls**t. Payne VERY obviously was being ironic to the lad there when he said he "didn't try" for us. We already have enough negativity in this club that we don't need any more sh**-stirring over sensationalism and blowing things out of proportion. Go water a plant, play some FIFA, jog, have a coffee while reading a book or what have you. he puts it on himself he could be a professional and not say anything instead he does all this. Tells fans to f**k off puts no effort ect ect. It was not clickbait at all the bloke is a prick and I can’t wait for him to leave It IS clickbait. You told us he "admitted he didn't try with us". He never admitted it. So, clickbait.
Again, yeah, he's a prick, but not for the reasons you stated. Which is why I accused you of sh**-stirring. Why make up a weapon to beat Payne with, when he himself has provided plenty in the past?
I'll repeat - the club already has enough negativity by itself, we don't need help creating more. This is not a defense of Payne, it's just in the interest of fair discourse and truth.
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Post by cj on May 22, 2019 12:14:11 GMT
Not sure I warranted the sarcasm to be honest. I didn't say I rate him or anything. I just said after the seasons Luke James had with us followed by Nichols first season with us, I can see why DC went for a striker who was top scorer for a team who was top 3 all season. DC must have seen something in him. Maybe it was his 7 goals in his first 11 games for Shrewsbury that did it for DC and he had hoped for that same impact for us. I don't know. Maybe DC was desperate for a striker and he was best of a bad bunch. I would hate to see the rest of the strikers in that bunch if he was the best of them! You can keep the sarcasm though. Or the worst? We signed him fairly late so it's obvious we missed out on other targets That's more likely!
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Post by cj on May 22, 2019 12:15:38 GMT
Not sure I warranted the sarcasm to be honest. I didn't say I rate him or anything. I just said after the seasons Luke James had with us followed by Nichols first season with us, I can see why DC went for a striker who was top scorer for a team who was top 3 all season. DC must have seen something in him. Maybe it was his 7 goals in his first 11 games for Shrewsbury that did it for DC and he had hoped for that same impact for us. I don't know. Maybe DC was desperate for a striker and he was best of a bad bunch. I would hate to see the rest of the strikers in that bunch if he was the best of them! You can keep the sarcasm though. The sarcasm was more a dig at Payne rather than you. Sorry for the confusion. Fair enough. Sorry I miss understood.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2019 19:08:02 GMT
There’s a player in there somewhere surely. A few have said it before but I wonder what he would be like alongside JCH ? He had to do a lot on his own in a really poor side which clearly wasn’t his strength... Hopefully both parties get a fresh start as I sense things are damaged beyond repair. Two target men (albeit one that tries and one that didn't)? No, too similar for me.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2019 19:15:52 GMT
Hoping 'Matt Simpson' didn't cry at the responses he got from Payne. Anyone confirm. Or has it just riled 'Harri' up enough for him to call Payne a 'first class Special lady garden'?
I mean, in this age of internet trolling, where you don't think before you type, you should be able to say what you want to people on the internet with no comeback or consequences. It's not real life after all. It all gets deleted after 30 days. Right?
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Post by Jomo on May 22, 2019 19:21:54 GMT
Hoping 'Matt Simpson' didn't cry at the responses he got from Payne. Anyone confirm. Or has it just riled 'Harri' up enough for him to call Payne a 'first class Special lady garden'?
I mean, in this age of internet trolling, you should be able to say what you want to people on the internet with no comeback or consequences. It's not real life after all. It all gets deleted after 30 days. Right?
Indeed. Anyone who uses insulting or abusive language to someone online is just as bad as those lowlifes that do it in public in my eyes. Pathetic and shameful. I wish there was an easy answer to stamping it out, but there's a difficult line between free speech and censorship. If only everyone in society was actually a decent person who thought twice before saying or posting certain messages to others.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2019 19:28:39 GMT
Hoping 'Matt Simpson' didn't cry at the responses he got from Payne. Anyone confirm. Or has it just riled 'Harri' up enough for him to call Payne a 'first class Special lady garden'?
I mean, in this age of internet trolling, you should be able to say what you want to people on the internet with no comeback or consequences. It's not real life after all. It all gets deleted after 30 days. Right?
Indeed. Anyone who uses insulting or abusive language to someone online is just as bad as those lowlifes that do it in public in my eyes. Pathetic and shameful. I wish there was an easy answer to stamping it out, but there's a difficult line between free speech and censorship. If only everyone in society was actually a decent person who thought twice before saying or posting certain messages to others. Totally agree. A good example...
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