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Post by chewbacca on May 22, 2019 14:08:46 GMT
Marta is a horribly overrated flat track bully. France will be hard to break down, Mbock and Renard are wonderful centrebacks. England are at an interesting stage, lots of promising young players. We'll miss Nobbs and Christiansen going forward, Jodie Taylor is in cracking form for Seattle Reign so hopefully she can take that into the tournament. I fancy Lucy Staniforth to have a good tournament for England, probably the best footballer in the squad with Nobbs injured. She too has had injury problems but I think she could at last show her early promise on the biggest stage. Hard disagree on Marta, but that might be my bias showing. I just don't think someone gets as many awards as she did solely by being a one-trick pony; though I do think she took advantage of circumstances in her early years, since she was still unparalleled (lack of investment/talent/professionalism in other countries etc). Agree on all the rest though. I'll be keeping a close eye on Germany as well, especially Alexandra Popp and Maroszan; caught a few friendly matches and they seemed class. And if anyone fancies an underdog, Canada is a tight unit who just might do something this season, especially if they manage to qualify in a group with USA and Sweden. I'm lucky enough to be getting a matchworn Lyon shirt through the post from my pal Jess signed by the Lyon squad. Really excited to see how Parris gets on there next season.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2019 14:10:21 GMT
Should women's sport be expected to stand on its own two feet rather than try and piggy back men's sport? I've heard grumbling about the salaries of female footballers and the argument being the men get paid so much more and that as there is so much money in the game it should be shared about. Would it be better to split the FA and let the women's game earn its own income and distribute as it sees fit? No arguments about not enough women on the board or in senior positions. Develop the game, increase crowds and TV revenue and the sport can grow organically. It seems like everything is about a short cut and trying to use the revenue created by the men's premier league. Man City women took part in the men's team town hall celebration and parade. Would look great in their photos with tens of thousands lining the streets but how many would turn up if they were standing on their own two feet? Tune in to watch the Tour De Yorkshire highlights and the first half of the programme was the women's race followed by the men's. Were itv scared of ratings disparity by splitting the coverage in to two separate programmes allowing viewers to know exactly what is on and when so they can make their own choice?
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Post by chewbacca on May 22, 2019 14:21:46 GMT
Should women's sport be expected to stand on its own two feet rather than try and piggy back men's sport? I've heard grumbling about the salaries of female footballers and the argument being the men get paid so much more and that as there is so much money in the game it should be shared about. Would it be better to split the FA and let the women's game earn its own income and distribute as it sees fit? No arguments about not enough women on the board or in senior positions. Develop the game, increase crowds and TV revenue and the sport can grow organically. It seems like everything is about a short cut and trying to use the revenue created by the men's premier league. Man City women took part in the men's team town hall celebration and parade. Would look great in their photos with tens of thousands lining the streets but how many would turn up if they were standing on their own two feet? Tune in to watch the Tour De Yorkshire highlights and the first half of the programme was the women's race followed by the men's. Were itv scared of ratings disparity by splitting the coverage in to two separate programmes allowing viewers to know exactly what is on and when so they can make their own choice? Again the problem lies with professionalism, women's football was getting huge attendances before the ban came into place in the 1920's. Now women's clubs are 100 years behind men's clubs and it's hard to stand on its own two feet without different revenue streams. Many men's football clubs owe their success due to purchasing land in the late 19th century. Be it the ground they currently play at or land they've sold to develop a new ground, that original investment keeps a lot of clubs going. Many women's clubs in this country do groundshare or piggy back off of men's clubs? Why's this? Well 50 years of women's football being banned. As a Rovers fan, you well know the issues with trying to find a "beautiful piece of land" to house a football club. Without revenues away from gate receipts most clubs would go bust, women's football does and will continue to struggle with this. You're right, to be taken seriously women's football does need to stand on its own two feet but when a toddler is learning to walk, you can hold its hand.
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Post by faggotygas on May 22, 2019 15:41:10 GMT
I would say the BBC should be putting it front and centre with no mens competition this summer. Its the World Cup after all! Looking at BBC football this morning there are 2 womens footballs articles compared to 8 mens before I scroll down. Thats hardly being force fed is it? I wonder if the BBC would ever disclose the number of hits their articles get. Might indicate the level of interest. Probably disproportionate to the amount of coverage they will give it. Dont get me wrong I'm all for all sports and more girls should be encouraged to take part. I just don't understand the media over egging it and trying to force it on us. It's almost shameful and prejudiced if you dare disclose that you are not interested in watching. So when someone who doesn't like any football complains about it being shoved down their throats during the men's world cup, do you agree and say 'yes, there should definitely be less coverage...'
I think there's more interest than you realise. There are almost 2.5 million registered female footballer players, that's almost 10 times as many people as play cricket, for example. It's the top participation sport for women and girls in England. The world cup final was sold out within a day. The last 2 women's FA Cup finals had attendances over 40,000. I've watched a women's world cup match in Germany with over 70,000 other people.
Sorry, I'm quite passionate about the game. Having been involved for years I've seen the potential it has, and how it can improve people's lives (like all sport can), but it still needs the very same investment that you are complaining about.
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Post by rememberhalifax on May 22, 2019 18:44:17 GMT
Well it seems a lot of Gasheads are well up with the woman's game and are able to reel off the players to look out for and will be tuning in to the world cup fair play to them always knew we had a discerning fan base! Think the secret is to watch the games without comparing it to the men's game, diffilcult though that is.Reckon the Beeb will give it the works but is that more to do with them not having much top tier sport in there locker these days?or a genuine attempt to promote the Woman's game? Hope the reformed Gas girls team prosper and catch up with the rest and would still like to know how we lost the previous Girls team to the dark side,meanwhile thanks for all the info so far ,come on England's Lionesses!and up the Rovers!
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Post by puregas on May 22, 2019 19:20:38 GMT
Whilst there are some very knowledgeable posters on here about the women’s game such as Chewbacca and Faggotygas, I will stick my neck out and say that I find the quality extremely poor.
I watch plenty on the telly (including getting up in the middle of the night to watch the game in Japan), and have watched women’s rugby for twenty odd years, and cricket for the last four or five.
Women’s football shows very little spacial awareness, and it is extremely rare that you see even three successful consecutive passes. Unfortunately it is just a game of chance of where the ball ends up and who plays it. You can add into that, that defences are fragile and keepers abysmal.
Rugby has been even more disappointing as I have seen little improvement over the last twenty years, with the only shining example being cricket, where the women’s game has countered a lack of power with a clever, crafty, skilful, and very watchable game.
Still, it’s constantly evolving.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2019 20:09:43 GMT
I wonder if the BBC would ever disclose the number of hits their articles get. Might indicate the level of interest. Probably disproportionate to the amount of coverage they will give it. Dont get me wrong I'm all for all sports and more girls should be encouraged to take part. I just don't understand the media over egging it and trying to force it on us. It's almost shameful and prejudiced if you dare disclose that you are not interested in watching. So when someone who doesn't like any football complains about it being shoved down their throats during the men's world cup, do you agree and say 'yes, there should definitely be less coverage...'
I think there's more interest than you realise. There are almost 2.5 million registered female footballer players, that's almost 10 times as many people as play cricket, for example. It's the top participation sport for women and girls in England. The world cup final was sold out within a day. The last 2 women's FA Cup finals had attendances over 40,000. I've watched a women's world cup match in Germany with over 70,000 other people.
Sorry, I'm quite passionate about the game. Having been involved for years I've seen the potential it has, and how it can improve people's lives (like all sport can), but it still needs the very same investment that you are complaining about.
I wouldn't disagree it's growing and that is great. Women, especially young girls, should be encouraged to be more active and participate in sport. What I don't agree with is the media coverage which is disproportionate to the level of interest and driven by a fear of being seen to breach equality expectations. I'm not surprised by the attendance figures you quote and I've heard them mentioned before and shouted from the rooftops to show how big the women's game is becoming. How big would the FA Cup Final attendance have been if kids hadn't got in free of charge and adults paying peanuts!
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2019 21:09:13 GMT
I have no objection to women’s football but the only actual interest I have in it is a political one because I am fed up of hearing about the complaining about equal pay. Where do women think the money is going to come from to pay top players a similar weekly wage or prize fund to that which goes to men? People go on about Corbyn’s magic money tree yet if ever a magic money tree was needed it is by the women’s game to pay them the parity they demand with men. Their wage fund is simply a factor of the amount of sponsorship, gate receipts and TV money they bring in (spoiler alert: as a minority sport it’s really not a lot. I was hearing it’s a fiver to go and watch an elite level WPL match). If they are jealous of the money male footballers earn (again spoiler alert: everyone is jealous of the money male footballers earn) then they need to get off their ass and do it for themselves by improving the product so more men who don’t rate the standard are drawn in rather than expecting the men’s side of the game to subsidise the women with money and a lifestyle that they haven’t really earnt. If the shoe was on the other foot would women’s football want to subsidise men’s junior football? Would it heck, no-one in their right mind wants to gift money to an enterprise that can’t bring in enough money to pay the wages of it’s employees because it will never be enough.
The idea mooted above to separate women’s football to it’s own organisation is a good one because it would lay bare just how little funding there is once the men have been removed from the equation. Women’s football would easily continue to exist but it would be quite blatant that it simply can’t consistently generate enough to make equal pay for female footballers anything other than a madman’s dream. Maybe then at least they would stop complaining about it though.....
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Post by pirate on May 22, 2019 22:25:12 GMT
Class player. One of the best ever in the women's game. Marta is a horribly overrated flat track bully. France will be hard to break down, Mbock and Renard are wonderful centrebacks. England are at an interesting stage, lots of promising young players. We'll miss Nobbs and Christiansen going forward, Jodie Taylor is in cracking form for Seattle Reign so hopefully she can take that into the tournament. I fancy Lucy Staniforth to have a good tournament for England, probably the best footballer in the squad with Nobbs injured. She too has had injury problems but I think she could at last show her early promise on the biggest stage. A flat track bully that has scored the most goals at World Cup tournament's and named FIFA World Player of the Year six times, five of them being in consecutive years.
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Post by pirate on May 22, 2019 22:44:48 GMT
Another player I'm looking forward to watching is the France striker Marie-Antoinette Katoto. Only 20, she impressed in the Champions League this season, was top scorer in the French league and named the Young Player of the Year in France for both 17/18 and 18/19 seasons. A former UEFA Women's U19 Championship Player of the Tournament and top scorer, I expect her to have a big impact this summer.
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Post by chewbacca on May 22, 2019 22:48:58 GMT
Marta is a horribly overrated flat track bully. France will be hard to break down, Mbock and Renard are wonderful centrebacks. England are at an interesting stage, lots of promising young players. We'll miss Nobbs and Christiansen going forward, Jodie Taylor is in cracking form for Seattle Reign so hopefully she can take that into the tournament. I fancy Lucy Staniforth to have a good tournament for England, probably the best footballer in the squad with Nobbs injured. She too has had injury problems but I think she could at last show her early promise on the biggest stage. A flat track bully that has scored the most goals at World Cup tournament's and named FIFA World Player of the Year six times, five of them being in consecutive years. Scored once at the last World Cup, which to date was the most competitive World Cup with the most professional players. The FIFA World Player of the Year was a bit of a joke, was round described as such in both women’s football media and among players. She’s been poor realistically for the last 5/6 years. She was superb but her fall has been reminiscent of Ronaldo minus the injuries. Her record at first Rosengård and Orlando Pride leaves a lot to be desired and she didn’t make the NWSL 1st or 2nd team of the year last season.
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Post by pirate on May 22, 2019 22:55:12 GMT
A flat track bully that has scored the most goals at World Cup tournament's and named FIFA World Player of the Year six times, five of them being in consecutive years. Scored once at the last World Cup, which to date was the most competitive World Cup with the most professional players. The FIFA World Player of the Year was a bit of a joke, was round described as such in both women’s football media and among players. She’s been poor realistically for the last 5/6 years. She was superb but her fall has been reminiscent of Ronaldo minus the injuries. Her record at first Rosengård and Orlando Pride leaves a lot to be desired and she didn’t make the NWSL 1st or 2nd team of the year last season. I agree she has definitely been on the decline for a while now, but in her prime she was a class act with unbelievable skill. I'm still looking forward to watching her play, because on her day she can still perform and I've got a feeling she will turn it on at this tournament.
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Post by chewbacca on May 22, 2019 23:05:05 GMT
Scored once at the last World Cup, which to date was the most competitive World Cup with the most professional players. The FIFA World Player of the Year was a bit of a joke, was round described as such in both women’s football media and among players. She’s been poor realistically for the last 5/6 years. She was superb but her fall has been reminiscent of Ronaldo minus the injuries. Her record at first Rosengård and Orlando Pride leaves a lot to be desired and she didn’t make the NWSL 1st or 2nd team of the year last season. I agree she has definitely been on the decline for a while now, but in her prime she was a class act with unbelievable skill. I'm still looking forward to watching her play, because on her day she can still perform and I've got a feeling she will turn it on at this tournament. Willing to bet the only team she’ll score against is Jamaica, there’s probably two dozen better attacking players than her now. She was important to the development of the game world wide but it’s left her behind. Similar with Sinclair, Kawasumi and Fara Williams.
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Post by pirate on May 22, 2019 23:33:08 GMT
I agree she has definitely been on the decline for a while now, but in her prime she was a class act with unbelievable skill. I'm still looking forward to watching her play, because on her day she can still perform and I've got a feeling she will turn it on at this tournament. Willing to bet the only team she’ll score against is Jamaica, there’s probably two dozen better attacking players than her now. She was important to the development of the game world wide but it’s left her behind. Similar with Sinclair, Kawasumi and Fara Williams. I agree with you to a certain extent and respect your opinion, we will just have to wait and see I suppose. I think the standout players of the tournament will probably be Marozsan, Popp and Martens, but like I said before, excited to see what impact Katoto will have. I'm just a little disappointed we won't get chance to see Ada Hegerberg perform, but understand and respect her decision not to represent Norway anymore. Hegerberg was today named BBC Women's Footballer of the Year 2019 after scoring 29 goals in 33 games for Lyon, with them winning the treble of the French league title, French Cup and Champions League. Outstanding player. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48353911
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Post by Icegas on May 22, 2019 23:51:25 GMT
With the Woman's world cup just around the corner, will we be watching?The Woman's game has made great strides in recent years just a shame that Rovers from being one of the pioneers have been left behind, how did the move to the dark side happen?personally i am very impressed with pundits Sue Smith ,Alex Scott and the like but are not that enthusiastic about watching games, would be interesting to know the forums views , any lady members out there? Myself,while I wont discredit the knowlege of these female pundits on TV it all feels very false and is just forced down our throats to be seen as normal in the PC world we live in today. 20,15,10...even just 5 years ago you never had female pundits talking about a male sport.Now its presented as it normal.Which is bollox!
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Post by faggotygas on May 23, 2019 8:00:35 GMT
So when someone who doesn't like any football complains about it being shoved down their throats during the men's world cup, do you agree and say 'yes, there should definitely be less coverage...'
I think there's more interest than you realise. There are almost 2.5 million registered female footballer players, that's almost 10 times as many people as play cricket, for example. It's the top participation sport for women and girls in England. The world cup final was sold out within a day. The last 2 women's FA Cup finals had attendances over 40,000. I've watched a women's world cup match in Germany with over 70,000 other people.
Sorry, I'm quite passionate about the game. Having been involved for years I've seen the potential it has, and how it can improve people's lives (like all sport can), but it still needs the very same investment that you are complaining about.
I wouldn't disagree it's growing and that is great. Women, especially young girls, should be encouraged to be more active and participate in sport. What I don't agree with is the media coverage which is disproportionate to the level of interest and driven by a fear of being seen to breach equality expectations. I'm not surprised by the attendance figures you quote and I've heard them mentioned before and shouted from the rooftops to show how big the women's game is becoming. How big would the FA Cup Final attendance have been if kids hadn't got in free of charge and adults paying peanuts! We'll have to agree to disagree that it's disproportionate. For me it's about right. We look at the BBC Sport homepage today and:
5 on cricket (lower participation rates than women's football by a factor of 10 - lower attendances at domestic games than women's football) 1 on rugby 4 on athletics 2 on netball 1 on gymnastics 1 on sailing 2 on American football 4 on tennis (like cricket, lower participation rates and attendances than women's football) 1 on F1 1 on darts 1 on ice hockey 1 on basketball 1 on swimming 1 on horse racing 1 on cycling 1 on disability sport 18 articles on men's football
And a massive... 5 on women's football. On the eve of the biggest tournament in 4 years, which England have a decent shot at. For the sport with the second biggest participation rates in that list, and similar domestic attendances to Rugby.
I can't see how that's disproportionate.
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Post by chewbacca on May 23, 2019 11:05:11 GMT
Willing to bet the only team she’ll score against is Jamaica, there’s probably two dozen better attacking players than her now. She was important to the development of the game world wide but it’s left her behind. Similar with Sinclair, Kawasumi and Fara Williams. I agree with you to a certain extent and respect your opinion, we will just have to wait and see I suppose. I think the standout players of the tournament will probably be Marozsan, Popp and Martens, but like I said before, excited to see what impact Katoto will have. I'm just a little disappointed we won't get chance to see Ada Hegerberg perform, but understand and respect her decision not to represent Norway anymore. Hegerberg was today named BBC Women's Footballer of the Year 2019 after scoring 29 goals in 33 games for Lyon, with them winning the treble of the French league title, French Cup and Champions League. Outstanding player. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48353911Hegerberg is class, she's a goalscoring machine. I'd be interested to see her play for Norway without receiving bullets from Marozsan, van de Sanden, Le Sommer, Christiansen, Fishlock, Bronze and others. I can't quite believe how much room Barcelona gave van den Sanden down the right in the Champions League Final. For me, Marozsan is currently the best player in the world. There's a reason she's been voted French Player of the Season three times on the trot by those that see her week in, week out. Hegerberg is a headline player. You listen and read interviews with her and she's always speaking of the benefits of having such incredibly players around her providing her with chances.
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Post by tomylil on May 24, 2019 8:02:56 GMT
With the Woman's world cup just around the corner, will we be watching?The Woman's game has made great strides in recent years just a shame that Rovers from being one of the pioneers have been left behind, how did the move to the dark side happen?personally i am very impressed with pundits Sue Smith ,Alex Scott and the like but are not that enthusiastic about watching games, would be interesting to know the forums views , any lady members out there?Running a woman's team at a decent level costs money that the club hasn't got,and adds nothing to the first team . Sorry , not a PC statement but I think it is over hyped by the media, Alex Scott just trots out cliche's and is eye candy, and if it was as good as people claim it to be, more people would turn up to watch it.
Ignore the gender and simply judge what you are watching compared to mens or boys football. Once you do that, you won't watch it again.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2019 8:13:34 GMT
With the Woman's world cup just around the corner, will we be watching?The Woman's game has made great strides in recent years just a shame that Rovers from being one of the pioneers have been left behind, how did the move to the dark side happen?personally i am very impressed with pundits Sue Smith ,Alex Scott and the like but are not that enthusiastic about watching games, would be interesting to know the forums views , any lady members out there?Running a woman's team at a decent level costs money that the club hasn't got,and adds nothing to the first team . Sorry , not a PC statement but I think it is over hyped by the media, Alex Scott just trots out cliche's and is eye candy, and if it was as good as people claim it to be, more people would turn up to watch it.
Ignore the gender and simply judge what you are watching compared to mens or boys football. Once you do that, you won't watch it again. I could not disagree more with this. have you watched much womens football? If so who and where? Or are you another armchair critic? Such rollox about Alex Scott aswell, very professional pundit with insightful contributions to every game i have seen here participate in. As for the standard it is an emerging sport and England are catching up fast, as for attendances they may not be great in the uk but are huge abroad. We are improving in this country in the womens game year on year and i think the standard is fantastic. Comparing to mens football is a massive mistake, that we can agree on.
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Post by Henbury Gas on May 24, 2019 8:25:39 GMT
With the Woman's world cup just around the corner, will we be watching?The Woman's game has made great strides in recent years just a shame that Rovers from being one of the pioneers have been left behind, how did the move to the dark side happen?personally i am very impressed with pundits Sue Smith ,Alex Scott and the like but are not that enthusiastic about watching games, would be interesting to know the forums views , any lady members out there?Running a woman's team at a decent level costs money that the club hasn't got,and adds nothing to the first team . Sorry , not a PC statement but I think it is over hyped by the media, Alex Scott just trots out cliche's and is eye candy, and if it was as good as people claim it to be, more people would turn up to watch it.
Ignore the gender and simply judge what you are watching compared to mens or boys football. Once you do that, you won't watch it again.Why would i compare it with the man's game, they are two completely different types of football
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