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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2014 19:54:00 GMT
Cunnington was not a leading goal scorer last season as he only scored 8, Taylor was deemed surplus to requirements by FGR, and White spent most of last season injured, as did of course Brunt. It's no real surprise none of them is on form this season AC was leading conference scorer the season before last a believe ? That was what my post said. And I do believe that he would score plenty if we had at least half decent wingers- both sides. As we don't have any decent wingers we might as well send him back now. My point in my post was we don't seem to have a philosophy. Are we a direct 4-4-2 side ? If so where are the wingers ? Are we going to get it down and dominate sides by pushing up on the front foot like the better sides do ? Then why don't we try doing that ? We've not no direction or plan the the second we win possession. I'd love us to suddenly bring in a new striker and start scoring loads but just don't see it happening if we continue to play without any direction. I agree with with much of your analysis in this and your previous post. The problem is that we set up to avoid failure by being defensive and concentrate on preventing the opposition scoring (just like John Ward did!). To get forward and attack as you have suggested will mean we probably concede a few more but I think we'd all love a few 3-2 or 4-3 wins instead of boring low scoring games where we're desperately hanging on as scoring a second goal doesn't generally happen with our current set up. Sad to see DC morphing into JW. Hoping to see a few Gas goals tomorrow but I'm not holding my breath as after all it will be a difficult game against tough opposition …..again to further quote DC/JW. It's time for management to stop being afraid.
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Post by socrates on Oct 25, 2014 7:52:23 GMT
AC was leading conference scorer the season before last a believe ? That was what my post said. And I do believe that he would score plenty if we had at least half decent wingers- both sides. As we don't have any decent wingers we might as well send him back now. My point in my post was we don't seem to have a philosophy. Are we a direct 4-4-2 side ? If so where are the wingers ? Are we going to get it down and dominate sides by pushing up on the front foot like the better sides do ? Then why don't we try doing that ? We've not no direction or plan the the second we win possession. I'd love us to suddenly bring in a new striker and start scoring loads but just don't see it happening if we continue to play without any direction. I agree with with much of your analysis in this and your previous post. The problem is that we set up to avoid failure by being defensive and concentrate on preventing the opposition scoring (just like John Ward did!). To get forward and attack as you have suggested will mean we probably concede a few more but I think we'd all love a few 3-2 or 4-3 wins instead of boring low scoring games where we're desperately hanging on as scoring a second goal doesn't generally happen with our current set up. Sad to see DC morphing into JW. Hoping to see a few Gas goals tomorrow but I'm not holding my breath as after all it will be a difficult game against tough opposition …..again to further quote DC/JW. It's time for management to stop being afraid. I think Ward might have brought DC to the club because they share the same defensive hoof it down the middle philosophy. I just hope we don't look back on DCs reign and remember him as a manager that got us relegated , played crap football and never got us promoted like we do with Ward.
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Post by Mark Ash on Oct 25, 2014 11:27:47 GMT
I agree with with much of your analysis in this and your previous post. The problem is that we set up to avoid failure by being defensive and concentrate on preventing the opposition scoring (just like John Ward did!). To get forward and attack as you have suggested will mean we probably concede a few more but I think we'd all love a few 3-2 or 4-3 wins instead of boring low scoring games where we're desperately hanging on as scoring a second goal doesn't generally happen with our current set up. Sad to see DC morphing into JW. Hoping to see a few Gas goals tomorrow but I'm not holding my breath as after all it will be a difficult game against tough opposition …..again to further quote DC/JW. It's time for management to stop being afraid. I think Ward might have brought DC to the club because they share the same defensive hoof it down the middle philosophy. I just hope we don't look back on DCs reign and remember him as a manager that got us relegated , played crap football and never got us promoted like we do with Ward. Jeez, guys, I'm going to slit my wrists in a moment... Lighten up, please!
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Post by markczgas on Oct 25, 2014 15:26:36 GMT
Buckrippers - excellent post again. You touched on the fact that Rovers have had a series of under-performing forwards and I agree with this. Some of them haven't really been that good - Zebroski and Beardsley to name a couple who will never get 15 goals a season even in The Conference. I think we should ask ourselves though - why have we failed to get goals and goal-scoring forwards ? Well, I would say a key factor is the style of football you play can be a big factor. We haven't had a footballing team at Rovers over a consistent period since Trollope was in charge. How can we expect forwards to "make a silk purse out of a Sow's ear " ?
In recent years we have looked on in envy when "small" clubs like Crewe and Rochdale have played us off the park - Home and Away - why ??
This is because they play a system of ball on the deck, plenty of movement off the ball and players willing to SUPPORT attacks and take somebody on - to create space to shoot or set somebody up !! We have not had this at BRFC for years. We had glimpses when Carayol was let loose by McGhee and that's about it. BRFC ( Darrell Clarke) needs to get an attacking, fluid system in place where all players are comfortable on the ball including even Mildenhall and we stick to it. With our resources, great supporters and excellent Mem playing surface I believe we will see the benefits to get us up from this hell hole this season or the next. So far Clarke has gone into his shell - he doesn't trust himself or the players - he has given up on 3-5-2 and lets teams come on to us EVEN WHEN WE ARE AT HOME - latest evidence first half v FGR. We lost the initiative and ended up pumping high balls to Cunnington. Clarke doesn't need to accept this, does he ?
In my view if Clarke doesn't get his act together and get Rovers playing better football and looking like a team that can win this league and progress further, then he's on borrowed time. Many will have a go at me for this but I would say this - if you take your Rovers hat off for a few minutes and ask yourself are you happy with what you've seen at The Mem this season forgetting the results for a second ? Is the team playing like you hope they would play ? DO they look like they can hurt teams with skill, creativity and flowing team play ? I have only seen the odd ten minutes here and there. We could easily have drawn or even lost many of the games we have won - Halifax and Wrexham spring to mind.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2014 15:59:17 GMT
On a positive note if we find ourselves in the southern league we will be amazing !!
Pleased or Harrison he should get a decent run in the side alongside white now
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2014 20:07:47 GMT
I once shat myself in a Tesco car park.
Had to drive 4 miles home sat in my own filth.
Happy days.
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 25, 2014 20:15:03 GMT
It's easy to say DC should be building an attacking team but a after the recent failures of PT/DP/PB/MM & JW surely he needs to stabilise the sinking ship and get it moving in the right direction, playing flowing attacking football can only done when he's done that. At present he seems to be heading in the right direction.
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Post by markczgas on Oct 25, 2014 21:16:20 GMT
It's easy to say DC should be building an attacking team but a after the recent failures of PT/DP/PB/MM & JW surely he needs to stabilise the sinking ship and get it moving in the right direction, playing flowing attacking football can only done when he's done that. At present he seems to be heading in the right direction. I agree and I praise him for that but can/should we now get out of 2nd gear into 3rd and 4th or are you happy for us to stay in this division next season ? Aren't we a big fish in a small pond ?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2014 10:54:35 GMT
Name a player since Lambert that we have paid for and have then sold on for more money.
Any of this years team looking like breaking that trend?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2014 11:56:50 GMT
Did we pay money for Smith and Caryol ? (Or however you spell it)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2014 11:58:09 GMT
Yeah, I think they may be the only 2.
Not bad in 10yrs
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2014 12:34:45 GMT
It's easy to say DC should be building an attacking team but a after the recent failures of PT/DP/PB/MM & JW surely he needs to stabilise the sinking ship and get it moving in the right direction, playing flowing attacking football can only done when he's done that. At present he seems to be heading in the right direction. I agree and I praise him for that but can/should we now get out of 2nd gear into 3rd and 4th or are you happy for us to stay in this division next season ? Aren't we a big fish in a small pond ? Nope...we are A fish in A pond. There are a hundred different reasons to measure clubs, we have big attendances, others have big budgets, etc
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2014 12:52:07 GMT
I agree and I praise him for that but can/should we now get out of 2nd gear into 3rd and 4th or are you happy for us to stay in this division next season ? Aren't we a big fish in a small pond ? Nope...we are A fish in A pond. There are a hundred different reasons to measure clubs, we have big attendances, others have big budgets, etc very true.... this why you see Fleetwood and crawley in league 1, and ourselves and Grimsby in this league.... talking of Grimsby, can you imagine the crap that they must get off of hull fans now, when you consider not that long ago Grimsby were championship and hull were league 2....
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 26, 2014 14:38:18 GMT
It's easy to say DC should be building an attacking team but a after the recent failures of PT/DP/PB/MM & JW surely he needs to stabilise the sinking ship and get it moving in the right direction, playing flowing attacking football can only done when he's done that. At present he seems to be heading in the right direction. I agree and I praise him for that but can/should we now get out of 2nd gear into 3rd and 4th or are you happy for us to stay in this division next season ? Aren't we a big fish in a small pond ? As the saying goes "Rome wasn't built in a day" I think we just need to see progress this season under DC, which hopefully will mean a Play Off push with a chance of straight promotion if Barnet self implode, after all how long were Luton a big fish in the Conference? Let's just hope NH doesn't now put his cheque book away after yesterday's game! Although a televised home game next could be a nice cash bonus for DC.
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Post by gaseous on Oct 27, 2014 4:55:20 GMT
Name a player since Lambert that we have paid for and have then sold on for more money. Any of this years team looking like breaking that trend? Will Hoskins, I don't think we paid for him but we definitely sold and he was another Trollope signing.
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Post by gaseous on Oct 27, 2014 4:55:56 GMT
Name a player since Lambert that we have paid for and have then sold on for more money. Any of this years team looking like breaking that trend? Will Hoskins, I don't think we paid for him but we definitely sold him and he was another Trollope signing.
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