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Post by madgas on Jul 8, 2019 16:05:14 GMT
Wed of finally been able to put a tent in the away area!
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Post by peterparker on Jul 8, 2019 16:20:06 GMT
a good peice here from F365. Obviously not quite on the same level down here in league One, but a point that still has meaning when we are signing a Steffan Payne or Tom Nichols etc or even JCH. If JCH was only on loan and scored those goals, how desperate and how much would we have been prepared to pay for him?
People are obsessed with transfer fees. ‘How much?’ is the first, second and sometimes last question asked about a transfer. That figure will then be carried on that footballer’s back for the entirety of their spell at that club – and often beyond. Some footballers are weighed down by the heft of that number, while some dance lightly on the balls of their feet, safe in the knowledge that they will be considered a ‘bargain’ until they move on for a bigger fee and risk the possibility of becoming an ‘expensive flop’. And all because administrators at two football clubs decided on a fee that would perfectly encapsulate how much each club need or want that player relative to how much they need or want money.
There are other factors involved – the will of the player, sell-on clauses and sell-on value among the most prominent – but generally, a transfer fee merely captures a moment when the circumstances of two clubs collide. It is no more an indication of quality than the price of clothes in an airport. It’s why Bournemouth could quote a £75m price for Callum Wilson in January that they would never expect to receive in July; it’s why Crystal Palace can legitimately afford to ask for at least £80m for Wilfried Zaha from Arsenal; it’s why established Belgian international Youri Tielemans is joining Leicester for less money than Manchester United have paid for uncapped Englishman Aaron Wan-Bissaka. The numbers are not exactly arbitrary but they reflect a degree of desperation as much as the ability of the footballer.
Tyrone Mings is an excellent example. So excellent, in fact, that it is almost like he has been sent to illustrate the point. In January – after three-and-a-half years at Bournemouth in which he made just 17 Premier League appearances, and not solely because of two serious injuries – the Cherries would have probably taken a fee of £8m for a player who was set to become their fourth or even fifth-choice centre-half after the arrival of Chris Mepham. Had Mings proved his fitness but Villa not been promoted, that potential fee may have risen to £10m. In truth, that £10m asking price would probably still apply to any other club interested in the former Ipswich man this summer. But to Villa, after an impressive 18 Championship games in four months, he is ‘worth’ £20m. Bournemouth knew that, exploited that and have happily more than doubled their outlay on a player who is not part of their plans.
You cannot say Villa have overpaid – and providing a list of centre-halves available for less is utterly pointless – because that price is exactly what they were willing to pay for a centre-half who is loved and respected at Villa Park. It does not mean that he is almost as good as Everton’s European Championship winner Andre Gomes or that he is 33% better than Manchester United’s new winger Daniel James; it just means that Villa were truly desperate to sign him and, even with no competition for his signature, that drove up the price. The lesson from the debacle of Fulham’s season is that clinging to the comfort of the familiar is not the worst strategy for a newly-promoted club.
Bournemouth have ended up on the right side of this particular deal, but this is the club that spent a combined £38m on Dominic Solanke, Jordon Ibe and Brad Smith. Liverpool could ask for considerable money for those players because they came with a red tag, and Bournemouth paid that inflated fee because they wanted that reflected glory; they wanted to be in that market for those players.
Football clubs take turns to hold all the cards. Aston Villa can pay £20m for Mings while simultaneously valuing John McGinn at £50m; both players are worth more to them than any other Premier League club right now. In 12 months’ time they could both be for sale for either double or half those fees, depending on Villa’s Premier League status, the emergence of other players and the desperation of those with money in their pockets. Those numbers are only relevant this month. They are a snapshot.
But still people will ask ‘how much?’ as if it means anything at all. Though we reserve the right to join in when Neymar moves back to Barcelona for £300m.
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Post by aghast on Jul 8, 2019 17:42:16 GMT
Very good post Mr Spiderman.
It's official then. The price you pay for a player is dependent upon the division his club is in, and how famous the buying and selling clubs are.
The ability of the player is of no relevance whatsoever in determining transfer fees.
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Post by clampdown on Jul 8, 2019 17:48:32 GMT
World's gone mad if he's worth £20m
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Post by bluegas on Jul 8, 2019 18:51:15 GMT
I worked in sales half my working life. I once heard a very good if not brilliant maxim - "what's something worth?" "what someone is prepared to pay for it." Not the cost of making it or the materials used or what it can do. Antiques the same. How many football flops have I seen down the years!
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Post by Hudson1883 on Jul 8, 2019 20:40:32 GMT
Tyrone Mings football story is a great one. I recall reading about his days as a trainee accountant (I think he was) having left Yate FC, struggling for full time employment, finding the cash to settle with his girlfriend in their own accommodation etc..,and then turned out for Chippenham Town against an Ipswich XI in pre season. Russell Osman happened to be watching on behalf of the tractor boys, noticed the talent of TM & made a call to Mick McCarthy whilst the game was still being played. If memory serves me correctly, Osman convinced MM to sign the lad without having actually seen him play. He needn’t bother about struggling for that rent money any more! Clearly he never looked back, superb.
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Jul 8, 2019 22:03:04 GMT
To be fair, I remember telling Tyrone that I thought he'd physically struggle with the step up from Yate to Chippenham. He went from being a boy to a man quite late, filled out, he had the attributes but not the physicality. Good on him though, first and foremost he's a lovely bloke. That’s the most important thing . Does so much good stuff for the homeless . Utg
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Post by chewbacca on Jul 8, 2019 23:12:41 GMT
Tyrone Mings football story is a great one. I recall reading about his days as a trainee accountant (I think he was) having left Yate FC, struggling for full time employment, finding the cash to settle with his girlfriend in their own accommodation etc..,and then turned out for Chippenham Town against an Ipswich XI in pre season. Russell Osman happened to be watching on behalf of the tractor boys, noticed the talent of TM & made a call to Mick McCarthy whilst the game was still being played. If memory serves me correctly, Osman convinced MM to sign the lad without having actually seen him play. He needn’t bother about struggling for that rent money any more! Clearly he never looked back, superb. Not strictly true, Russell was actually watching his lad Toby who was also playing for Chippenham at the time. Oh, and Tyrone was a trainee estate agent
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Post by miamigas on Jul 9, 2019 3:57:30 GMT
Roy dolling told craig Bellamy he was to small and would struggle to score goals at any standard 😳🙈 How many times have we heard a player was “too small” to make it, then proceeds to do so? UTG!
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Post by pirate49 on Jul 9, 2019 9:18:10 GMT
Wot, no mention of Bobby Zamora?!
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Post by peterhooper57 on Jul 9, 2019 9:22:31 GMT
Another one who got away; to be honest, he was tremendous for Villa last season, I am amazed Bournemouth did not want to keep him.
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Post by lympstonegas on Oct 14, 2019 18:51:00 GMT
Born in Bath - Was in our youth set up 2009 -2011. Played for Yate and then Chippenham before joining Ipswich in 2012. Now makes his full England debut tonight
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Post by warehamgas on Oct 14, 2019 20:16:47 GMT
Another one who got away; to be honest, he was tremendous for Villa last season, I am amazed Bournemouth did not want to keep him. Wasn’t in the Bournemouth team and wasn’t likely to be. I think it’ll be shown to be one of Eddie H mistakes, letting him go, but he doesn’t make many. UTG!
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Post by curlywurly on Oct 14, 2019 20:54:59 GMT
Very accomplished performance by Tyrone this evening.
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Post by stuart1974 on Oct 14, 2019 21:24:43 GMT
Very accomplished performance by Tyrone this evening. Very eloquent in his post match interview too.
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Post by titchthephot on Oct 14, 2019 21:29:51 GMT
Very accomplished performance by Tyrone this evening. Very eloquent in his post match interview too. Well, he did go to Millfield School.
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 14, 2019 22:09:09 GMT
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Post by Gastafari on Oct 15, 2019 0:48:48 GMT
He hasn't played more than 15 league games in a season for 6 years.
And has only played 107 League games in 7 years since 2012.
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Post by lympstonegas on Oct 15, 2019 7:22:21 GMT
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