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Post by keygas on Jul 9, 2019 10:17:36 GMT
Better make that 4 grand because I’m with you. That’s probably enough to re open Vickies, and buy a 40 gallon drum of baby oil. Vickies that’s a name from the past, always seemed to end up there (I don’t know why) on a Friday night out, anyone know which year it closed & what it is now?
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Post by Henbury Gas on Jul 9, 2019 10:19:27 GMT
That’s probably enough to re open Vickies, and buy a 40 gallon drum of baby oil. Vickies that’s a name from the past, always seemed to end up there (I don’t know why) on a Friday night out, anyone know which year it closed & what it is now? Would that be the one on Park street.......... just asking for a friend
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2019 10:23:56 GMT
Vickies that’s a name from the past, always seemed to end up there (I don’t know why) on a Friday night out, anyone know which year it closed & what it is now? Would that be the one on Park street.......... just asking for a friend That's the one. The sodden sticky carpet was a feature.....so a friend told me.
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Post by keygas on Jul 9, 2019 10:24:15 GMT
Vickies that’s a name from the past, always seemed to end up there (I don’t know why) on a Friday night out, anyone know which year it closed & what it is now? Would that be the one on Park street.......... just asking for a friend Haha, yes it is & people who used it back then might have to move closer to the stage if it reopened as you know our eyesight not what it was.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2019 10:27:10 GMT
Would that be the one on Park street.......... just asking for a friend Haha, yes it is & people who used it back then might have to move closer to the stage if it reopened as you know our eyesight not what it was. But I have a stronger sense of smell to compensate.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Jul 9, 2019 10:34:50 GMT
Would that be the one on Park street.......... just asking for a friend That's the one. The sodden sticky carpet was a feature.....so a friend told me. Only went downstairs once and came back a damaged man.... nuff said
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Post by Henbury Gas on Jul 9, 2019 10:36:34 GMT
Would that be the one on Park street.......... just asking for a friend Haha, yes it is & people who used it back then might have to move closer to the stage if it reopened as you know our eyesight not what it was. do you also remember a place at the top of whiteladies hill, forgot the name......
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2019 10:42:28 GMT
Haha, yes it is & people who used it back then might have to move closer to the stage if it reopened as you know our eyesight not what it was. do you also remember a place at the top of whiteladies hill, forgot the name...... Miss Millies.......went there all the time.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2019 11:04:44 GMT
With a new stadium costing approximately 40 million & we get an average of say 8500 , that means we only need to cough up £4750 each.Who’s going to get the ball rolling? OK - £4750 X 8500 does make £40mil... but obviously it is unlikely we have 8,500 with £4750 in spare change. But if you have actual ownership, then we could well find quite a few 'wealthy' fans willing to put significantly more in - if they can have 'a say'. Can't see Dwane Sports embracing that though. There are various different ways to structure ownership. Personally I like the way German football is structured and that Clubs (with just a couple of exceptions) are 51% fan owned. Sadly - that's never going to happen in England. The current 'business model' we have is totally unsustainable and is going to go 'pop' soon though. And other structures may than have a chance to be established. It's a struggle to get 100 or so members of this forum to cough up a tenner for the FFSC, so anything else is pie in the sky! Plenty of people on here post loads of stuff, slag off other posters, have some decent debates and yet when it comes to paying a tenner to help the club, simply don't bother. If the ten pound was compulsory to post on here I wonder how many would pay and really help the FFSC to make a difference?
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Post by eastgas on Jul 9, 2019 11:10:09 GMT
Barcelona ? Real Madrid ? It never works. Different model and scale entirely. The 90,000 fan owners of Real Madrid pay about 11 million euros a year to the club between them, chicken feed compared to the massive TV money the club receives, as well as all the other sources of income. For Rovers and clubs like us, the owners' money is vastly more important.
If we had, say, 3,000 people paying the same average as Real Madrid (£132 each) for membership, that would only be about £400k. Nowhere near enough to keep the club going when you compare to the millions that our owners are lending the club each year now.
Maybe it wil work when football finally implodes....
Exactly this, the model of fan ownership can really work in non league football but isn’t really a viable option at this level currently with the vast amounts of money involved. The Football finances bubble will eventually pop leading to a even bigger gap between the elite clubs and the rest
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Post by eastgas on Jul 9, 2019 11:11:43 GMT
With a new stadium costing approximately 40 million & we get an average of say 8500 , that means we only need to cough up £4750 each.Who’s going to get the ball rolling? OK - £4750 X 8500 does make £40mil... but obviously it is unlikely we have 8,500 with £4750 in spare change. But if you have actual ownership, then we could well find quite a few 'wealthy' fans willing to put significantly more in - if they can have 'a say'. Can't see Dwane Sports embracing that though. There are various different ways to structure ownership. Personally I like the way German football is structured and that Clubs (with just a couple of exceptions) are 51% fan owned. Sadly - that's never going to happen in England. The current 'business model' we have is totally unsustainable and is going to go 'pop' soon though. And other structures may than have a chance to be established. Completely agree with everything you have said
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Post by keygas on Jul 9, 2019 11:50:54 GMT
Haha, yes it is & people who used it back then might have to move closer to the stage if it reopened as you know our eyesight not what it was. do you also remember a place at the top of whiteladies hill, forgot the name...... Do you mean the globetrotters club opposite the bbc studios, a little bit upmarket & pricey?
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Post by burnthewitch on Jul 9, 2019 11:58:19 GMT
OK - £4750 X 8500 does make £40mil... but obviously it is unlikely we have 8,500 with £4750 in spare change. But if you have actual ownership, then we could well find quite a few 'wealthy' fans willing to put significantly more in - if they can have 'a say'. Can't see Dwane Sports embracing that though. There are various different ways to structure ownership. Personally I like the way German football is structured and that Clubs (with just a couple of exceptions) are 51% fan owned. Sadly - that's never going to happen in England. The current 'business model' we have is totally unsustainable and is going to go 'pop' soon though. And other structures may then have a chance to be established. It's a struggle to get 100 or so members of this forum to cough up a tenner for the FFSC, so anything else is pie in the sky! Plenty of people on here post loads of stuff, slag off other posters, have some decent debates and yet when it comes to paying a tenner to help the club, simply don't bother. If the ten pound was compulsory to post on here I wonder how many would pay and really help the FFSC to make a difference? I think what the FFSC does is fantastic. I honestly believe that some kind of share ownership (yes, I know) - done properly, that fully engages the supporters and gives them a voice would be very successful. Back to Germany. Union Berlin - great example. They have 25,000 members. They pay 10 Euros a month a year... that's Euros 2.75mil a year. They have 11,000 season ticket holders. They have never played in the top flight (first season in Bundesliga next season though!). They built their stadium with voluntary labour. Amazing what can be done when the power of the supporters is fully engaged. We do not have wealthy owners. We may never have wealthy owners. Our current owners need to find 'another way'.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Jul 9, 2019 12:24:19 GMT
do you also remember a place at the top of whiteladies hill, forgot the name...... Do you mean the globetrotters club opposite the bbc studios, a little bit upmarket & pricey? Up near the triangle at the top on the Zoo road i think.... Jocky's or something like that.... Very adult night club...
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Post by baggins on Jul 9, 2019 12:28:21 GMT
With a new stadium costing approximately 40 million & we get an average of say 8500 , that means we only need to cough up £4750 each.Who’s going to get the ball rolling? OK - £4750 X 8500 does make £40mil... but obviously it is unlikely we have 8,500 with £4750 in spare change. But if you have actual ownership, then we could well find quite a few 'wealthy' fans willing to put significantly more in - if they can have 'a say'. Can't see Dwane Sports embracing that though. There are various different ways to structure ownership. Personally I like the way German football is structured and that Clubs (with just a couple of exceptions) are 51% fan owned. Sadly - that's never going to happen in England. The current 'business model' we have is totally unsustainable and is going to go 'pop' soon though. And other structures may than have a chance to be established. No way do we have 'quite a few wealthy fans willing to put money in', enough to cover the 8888 who don't.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2019 12:30:11 GMT
It's a struggle to get 100 or so members of this forum to cough up a tenner for the FFSC, so anything else is pie in the sky! Plenty of people on here post loads of stuff, slag off other posters, have some decent debates and yet when it comes to paying a tenner to help the club, simply don't bother. If the ten pound was compulsory to post on here I wonder how many would pay and really help the FFSC to make a difference? I think what the FFSC does is fantastic. I honestly believe that some kind of share ownership (yes, I know) - done properly, that fully engages the supporters and gives them a voice would be very successful. Back to Germany. Union Berlin - great example. They have 25,000 members. They pay 10 Euros a month a year... that's Euros 2.75mil a year. They have 11,000 season ticket holders. They have never played in the top flight (first season in Bundesliga next season though!). They built their stadium with voluntary labour. Amazing what can be done when the power of the supporters is fully engaged. We do not have wealthy owners. We may never have wealthy owners. Our current owners need to find 'another way'. "They built their stadium with voluntary labour." - Look at the farce with putting up the large screen. I'm pretty sure that if Wael had asked if there were anyone in the normal home crowd who could do it, he would have found someone who'd not only erect it, but would probably do it for free, or I don't know, or maybe a free ad in the next programme.
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Post by kabatiti on Jul 9, 2019 12:41:30 GMT
I contacted the club after Steve Hamer invited fans to contact him directly if they had ideas or concerns they wanted to share during Twentyman's Having a Gas programme. I raised lots of ideas and personally I can't fault the way Steve Hamer responded.
I asked a similar question to the OP regarding crowdfunding and the training ground and gave Norwich as an example. The reply I received specifically about this issues which I have copied from Steve's response was:
"The Norwich City training ground development is also worth considering, I along with Wael Al Qadi have met many crowd funding firms with a view to launching a much more modest scheme for the Colony training ground, unfortunately it has never appealed to Dwane Sports, whether this has anything to do with the fact they own a large percentage and run the Allied Jordan Investment Bank and this fund raising method is conflicting is another matter out of the Club's control."
If there is a governance issue I wondered why the Supporters Club couldn't crowdfund on the Al Qadi's behalf. There could be many reasons for this. I wonder if the previous well documented indiscretion with the supporters club accounts may have undermined confidence? I haven't asked this question as I think it's not my place to ask this as I am not a member of the Supporters Club and there are people elected to have these types of conversations. I copied in the Supporters club so they are aware of this conversation.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2019 12:50:36 GMT
Do you mean the globetrotters club opposite the bbc studios, a little bit upmarket & pricey? Up near the triangle at the top on the Zoo road i think.... Jocky's or something like that.... Very adult night club... I know the place. I went to go in there one night with my girlfriend of the time and they wouldn't let her in, said it was Men Only. We went elsewhere
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Post by Marshy on Jul 9, 2019 12:55:07 GMT
Up near the triangle at the top on the Zoo road i think.... Jocky's or something like that.... Very adult night club... I know the place. I went to go in there one night with my girlfriend of the time and they wouldn't let her in, said it was Men Only. We went elsewhere I wonder if Bolders would get in? :confused.com:
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2019 13:19:55 GMT
I know the place. I went to go in there one night with my girlfriend of the time and they wouldn't let her in, said it was Men Only. We went elsewhere I wonder if Bolders would get in? :confused.com: "well I'm not dumb but I can't understand, why she walks like a woman but talks like a man oh my Bolders" *The Kinks*
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