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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2019 19:59:13 GMT
I've gone with no, but that's based on wages. If it is correct that he is on £5k a week, that's an annual salary of £250k plus. Too much for a club losing the money we are losing in my opinion.
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Post by madgas on Jul 11, 2019 20:07:49 GMT
Football wise: yes Criminal: No, the law decided that. Decent bloke: Nah, guilty or innocent aside. If you read what he actually admits to doing he's still not good enough to wear the quarters. I know, people deserve second chances. But guilty or innocent his behaviour that night was awful and he never really apologised. Would I want my kids idolising him? Nope, sorry. if we are signing players based on being good boys with the ladies then I think the pool will shrink significantly! Lol! Or does it only matter if they’ve been caught and it’s been publicised? #playingdevilsadvocate Does it only matter if they've been caught and it's been publicised? - Getting caught is clearly relevant. Cant not be. Look everyone deserves second chances and he was found not guilty.
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Post by stevek192 on Jul 11, 2019 20:35:15 GMT
Why should it split the fanbase? Can we all not just support whoever plays for our team and give them a chance?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2019 21:04:12 GMT
Football wise: yes Criminal: No, the law decided that. Decent bloke: Nah, guilty or innocent aside. If you read what he actually admits to doing he's still not good enough to wear the quarters. I know, people deserve second chances. But guilty or innocent his behaviour that night was awful and he never really apologised. Would I want my kids idolising him? Nope, sorry. I presume you were of the same opinion when his co-defendant was here on loan a few years ago?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2019 21:19:18 GMT
Answered no as whilst he was a good player and does still have goals in him his wage demands would I imagine be extremely high and I believe there is better value out there for us.....
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Post by madgas on Jul 11, 2019 21:22:40 GMT
Football wise: yes Criminal: No, the law decided that. Decent bloke: Nah, guilty or innocent aside. If you read what he actually admits to doing he's still not good enough to wear the quarters. I know, people deserve second chances. But guilty or innocent his behaviour that night was awful and he never really apologised. Would I want my kids idolising him? Nope, sorry. I presume you were of the same opinion when his co-defendant was here on loan a few years ago? Yes.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2019 21:24:20 GMT
Football wise: yes Criminal: No, the law decided that. Decent bloke: Nah, guilty or innocent aside. If you read what he actually admits to doing he's still not good enough to wear the quarters. I know, people deserve second chances. But guilty or innocent his behaviour that night was awful and he never really apologised. Would I want my kids idolising him? Nope, sorry. He did make a public apology for his actions FYI.
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Post by warehamgas on Jul 11, 2019 21:25:22 GMT
Why should it split the fanbase? Can we all not just support whoever plays for our team and give them a chance? Really Steve? You mean like Luke McCormack and Lee Hughes? Don’t think their victims had much of a chance. UTG!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2019 21:27:19 GMT
I presume you were of the same opinion when his co-defendant was here on loan a few years ago? Yes. Fair enough. At least you are consistent, it was a while ago and I can't remember any controversy at that time. Perhaps we should have a Morality Manager to work alongside Widdrington on recruitment. Shame the club Chaplain left as he could have helped sort out a set of guidelines or standards that need to be met !!!
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Post by pirate on Jul 11, 2019 21:28:29 GMT
Answered no as whilst he was a good player and does still have goals in him his wage demands would I imagine be extremely high and I believe there is better value out there for us..... If Coughlan wants his "marquee signings, big players, big names" then he won't find better value than a player that has a 1 in 2 record at this level with 51 goals in 100 games.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2019 21:34:55 GMT
Answered no as whilst he was a good player and does still have goals in him his wage demands would I imagine be extremely high and I believe there is better value out there for us..... If Coughlan wants his "marquee signings, big players, big names" then he won't find better value than a player that has a 1 in 2 record at this level with 51 goals in 100 games. I don't deny he's talented and has historically had a good record .... just think that we never do well with big name players.....Wally being the only one of note in recent ish times where we have....... his wages are more than likely going to be double our next highest earner and so I think for the same wage demands we could getter a better lesser known longer term prospect....
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2019 21:36:15 GMT
Football wise: yes Criminal: No, the law decided that. Decent bloke: Nah, guilty or innocent aside. If you read what he actually admits to doing he's still not good enough to wear the quarters. I know, people deserve second chances. But guilty or innocent his behaviour that night was awful and he never really apologised. Would I want my kids idolising him? Nope, sorry He did make a public apology for his actions FYI. And the timing of which will have been dictated by his lawyers so as not to affect legal process in respect of his successful appeal. His legal innocence and forgiveness from his now wife and her family are secondary to the high moral code demanded by a number of Gasheads - presumably the ones who don't swear at the top of their voices adjacent to the family enclosure, abuse their own players, punch horses, racially abuse opposition keepers and sing about letting our striker shag their wives and not surrendering to the IRA!!!! Maybe we should replace the Pirate with a Nun?
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Post by madgas on Jul 11, 2019 21:36:49 GMT
Football wise: yes Criminal: No, the law decided that. Decent bloke: Nah, guilty or innocent aside. If you read what he actually admits to doing he's still not good enough to wear the quarters. I know, people deserve second chances. But guilty or innocent his behaviour that night was awful and he never really apologised. Would I want my kids idolising him? Nope, sorry. He did make a public apology for his actions FYI. His apology was pretty limp. But as many say, everyone deserves second chances. But on the face of what I've seen regarding the trial and subsequent actions I wouldn't sign him. But I don't have to do my due diligence like coggy. If cogs determines different. I'm not boycotting.
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Post by stroudgas93 on Jul 11, 2019 21:50:58 GMT
I presume you were of the same opinion when his co-defendant was here on loan a few years ago? Yes. What about when we signed Adam Smith
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Post by romangas on Jul 11, 2019 22:02:29 GMT
...No. We have endured enough turmoil the last couple of years. This bloke would add to that. We are a family club. Do one you saddo. UTG.
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Post by Hudson1883 on Jul 11, 2019 22:14:46 GMT
What about when we signed Adam Smith What was Adam Smiths crime?
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Post by madgas on Jul 11, 2019 22:25:49 GMT
What about when we signed Adam Smith I'm not sure what's to be achieved going through each ex player... or each player with baggage. To answer your question I was a little wary when we signed Smith. And at least character wise Smith seemed to prove any doubts I had wrong. In my opinion, it seems many on here want second chances as a right. Which is nice and all but they don't come free. If cogs signs him I'm not wishing him bad or wanting him to fail. Its simply a case of based on all the information I have about the trial and behaviour at it- I wouldn't go there. Thankfully, the people who will make the decision probably know alot more than me. Its clearly not one you choose on purely football terms otherwise this poll would be 98% in a single direction.
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Post by rovers5charlton5 on Jul 11, 2019 22:41:32 GMT
If we got promoted to the Championship, I doubt we'd have many of those, getting whooped every week! Well in that case why don’t we get relegated to the Conference again so we can do the whooping instead I'd prefer us to build a team gradually, so when we get there, we can stay there. Is it better to be in a higher division getting tonked every week, or winning regularly in a lower one? No, I never want to see us that low ever again.
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Post by socrates on Jul 11, 2019 23:53:34 GMT
Big No from me as is it could create a poisonous atmosphere, fair point taken by folk sayin he's innocent an not a bad player, but Jamie Cureton was innocent and it didnae stop hundreds of fucckin crayons bombardin him with 'Paedo, Paedo' chants. Personally, i think we could do without th crapp that comes with him. It could even turn toxic an split th fan base.
I know what your saying but if he was found innocent in court ? ( I honestly don’t know much about it I only take interest in footballers as footballers not their private lives most of the time ) and he scored goals for us then personally I couldn’t care less if some Gas still hated him because he was up in court for this or that. Footballers are young blokes that earn big money and most of them didn’t pay much attention in school because they were never there they were outside kicking a ball about and they do tend to get caught up in crap because let’s face it their brains are in their feet. My answer to the OPs question is if he can score goals for us and isn’t a convicted rapist , murderer or whatever he was up in the dock for then yeah get him in but of course it doesn’t matter anyway, the Cogsters opinion is all that matters. We do need goals though.
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Post by socrates on Jul 11, 2019 23:55:55 GMT
And there we have it. Ched is acceptable cos he is a better player I would happily have the pair of them , were Bristol rovers , we couldn’t afford to turn players with their ability down. Whether people like it or not , Ched Evans was innocent and wrongly spent time inside for a crime he did not commit and Ranger he done his time and is now free to play for whoever takes a punt on him , if he was just a regular joe he would still need to find work. Like others have said I’d have him on a month to month contract and implement certain clauses into it in terms of behaviour, if any rules are broken he can then be out on his arse. Ranger is an utter sh**e footballer though. Evans is decent.
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