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Post by brfcgas on May 27, 2019 18:45:08 GMT
If Bury football club does go into liquidation and close which is looking likely, does anyone know how this will effect league 1 next season? Will Plymouth stay up or will Mansfield / Newport go up and Notts County stay up in league 2? Only three teams get relegated?
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Post by Antonio Fargas on May 27, 2019 18:46:39 GMT
Plymouth stay up. (But really some version of Bury will probably just carry on with a points penalty.)
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2019 19:20:54 GMT
Plymouth stay up. (But really some version of Bury will probably just carry on with a points penalty.) NO because they’ll just bury their head in the sand.
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Post by Topper Gas on May 27, 2019 19:31:02 GMT
Not sure I've seem any news articles suggesting Bury might fold? If they do then surely it'll be Newport who take their place, given Plymouth were relegated so it's a case of just finding a Div 2 team to replace them.
Unlikely I know but if Bolton fold then it will get messy deciding who replaces them between Plymouth and Newport!
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Post by Dr Gas on May 27, 2019 20:09:46 GMT
The EFL do not seem to have contingency plans for anything other than a League Two team being wound up.
Extract from EFL rules:
12.2
Cessation of membership. If a Club (or Clubs) ceases to be a member of The League for any reason (including, without limitation, pursuant to Article 4 of the Articles of Association or by way of relegation or expulsion for disciplinary reasons):
12.2.1
during any Normal Playing Season, its playing record shall be expunged and the number of relegation places from the relevant Division for that Season shall be reduced by the number of Clubs ceasing to be members;
12.2.2
during the period between the end of the Normal Playing Season and the conclusion of the last Play-Off Match for that Season, its playing record shall not be expunged but the number of relegation places from the relevant Division for that Season shall be reduced by the number of Clubs ceasing to be members; or
12.2.3
during the period between the conclusion of the last Play-Off Match and the start of the following Season, its playing record shall not be expunged but the number of relegation places from the Division in which a Club would have played but for its cessation of membership, shall be reduced by the number of Clubs ceasing to be members and, during that Season, the relevant Division shall operate with a reduced number of Clubs.
Bury were promoted to League One , so rule 12.2.3 would seem apply, i.e. only 23 teams would be in League One next season. However, that would cause a problem at the end of the coming season, as there would still only be 23 teams in League One if 4 teams were still to be relegated. I would not imagine that the EFL would want such a situation happening, so I reckon they would take action to overcome the shortage of a team before the season actually starts.
Further Extracts from EFL rules:
11.1
Admission of new Clubs. For so long as the number of Clubs in The League shall be 72 or more no new club shall be admitted as a member of The League to replace a Club ceasing to be a member. In the event of the number of Clubs falling to below 72 the Board shall be empowered to admit clubs as new members up to a maximum number of 72 Clubs. Such new members shall only be admitted prior to the beginning of a Season, and shall play in League Two in their first Season.
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Retirement and Admission of Clubs
12.1
Clubs retiring from The League pursuant to Regulations 10 and 11 shall retire with effect from the end of the relevant Season, whereupon new Clubs taking their places shall be admitted and be deemed to have been formally elected as members of The League. With effect from such time any new Club shall become entitled to receive a transfer of and to exercise the rights attaching to such share in The League held by the retiring Club as the Board shall direct and each of the retiring Clubs shall procure that, with effect from such date and until the respective transferee Club has been registered as the holder of its share in the Register of Members of The League, the rights attaching thereto shall be exercised in such manner as such transferee Club shall direct.
So it seems there could be two options available to the EFL. It seems reasonable to assume that Newport, as the losers in the League Two play-off, would be promoted to League One in place of Bury and Rule 12.2.1 would apply, i.e., only one team relegated from League Two next season, Or, they promote Newport and only relegate Yeovil for the season just ended.
EDIT: Maybe a third option would be that both Yeovil and Notts County are still relegated and Fylde, as play-off runners up, get promoted. This would ensure that "mediocrity" is not rewarded, which is a term I am sure I have seen the EFL state before.
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Post by Jomo on May 27, 2019 20:13:58 GMT
Let's hope it doesn't come to this as it's never nice to see a club go into liquidation.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on May 27, 2019 20:49:13 GMT
Let's hope it doesn't come to this as it's never nice to see a club go into liquidation. Now come on that's a lie. If City went into liquidation we would love it!
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Post by lympstonegas on May 27, 2019 21:27:21 GMT
Absolutely
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Post by paulpirate on May 27, 2019 21:45:24 GMT
Plymouth stay up. (But really some version of Bury will probably just carry on with a points penalty.) hope so,that will give us more chance of staying up
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Post by aghast on May 27, 2019 23:14:39 GMT
The EFL do not seem to have contingency plans for anything other than a League Two team being wound up. Extract from EFL rules: 12.2 Cessation of membership. If a Club (or Clubs) ceases to be a member of The League for any reason (including, without limitation, pursuant to Article 4 of the Articles of Association or by way of relegation or expulsion for disciplinary reasons): 12.2.1 during any Normal Playing Season, its playing record shall be expunged and the number of relegation places from the relevant Division for that Season shall be reduced by the number of Clubs ceasing to be members; 12.2.2 during the period between the end of the Normal Playing Season and the conclusion of the last Play-Off Match for that Season, its playing record shall not be expunged but the number of relegation places from the relevant Division for that Season shall be reduced by the number of Clubs ceasing to be members; or 12.2.3 during the period between the conclusion of the last Play-Off Match and the start of the following Season, its playing record shall not be expunged but the number of relegation places from the Division in which a Club would have played but for its cessation of membership, shall be reduced by the number of Clubs ceasing to be members and, during that Season, the relevant Division shall operate with a reduced number of Clubs. Bury were promoted to League One , so rule 12.2.3 would seem apply, i.e. only 23 teams would be in League One next season. However, that would cause a problem at the end of the coming season, as there would still only be 23 teams in League One if 4 teams were still to be relegated. I would not imagine that the EFL would want such a situation happening, so I reckon they would take action to overcome the shortage of a team before the season actually starts. Further Extracts from EFL rules:11.1
Admission of new Clubs. For so long as the number of Clubs in The League shall be 72 or more no new club shall be admitted as a member of The League to replace a Club ceasing to be a member. In the event of the number of Clubs falling to below 72 the Board shall be empowered to admit clubs as new members up to a maximum number of 72 Clubs. Such new members shall only be admitted prior to the beginning of a Season, and shall play in League Two in their first Season.
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Retirement and Admission of Clubs
12.1
Clubs retiring from The League pursuant to Regulations 10 and 11 shall retire with effect from the end of the relevant Season, whereupon new Clubs taking their places shall be admitted and be deemed to have been formally elected as members of The League. With effect from such time any new Club shall become entitled to receive a transfer of and to exercise the rights attaching to such share in The League held by the retiring Club as the Board shall direct and each of the retiring Clubs shall procure that, with effect from such date and until the respective transferee Club has been registered as the holder of its share in the Register of Members of The League, the rights attaching thereto shall be exercised in such manner as such transferee Club shall direct.So it seems there could be two options available to the EFL. It seems reasonable to assume that Newport, as the losers in the League Two play-off, would be promoted to League One in place of Bury and Rule 12.2.1 would apply, i.e., only one team relegated from League Two next season, Or, they promote Newport and only relegate Yeovil for the season just ended.
EDIT: Maybe a third option would be that both Yeovil and Notts County are still relegated and Fylde, as play-off runners up, get promoted. This would ensure that "mediocrity" is not rewarded, which is a term I am sure I have seen the EFL state before. Why do they write these things in pseudo legal language? Pursuant? Thereto? I know the answer. A rich solicitor told them it must be done this way, and everyone is scared to write things in plain English. It's so obscure, I doubt if any of the numpties that run the EFL have either read or understood it.
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Post by warehamgas on May 28, 2019 10:53:35 GMT
Plymouth stay up. (But really some version of Bury will probably just carry on with a points penalty.) NO because they’ll just bury their head in the sand. A bit unfair Harley!😉 Most AFC teams that come back are run by fans who have to keep to a strict budget and run the club well. It’s just that most fans clubs have a glass ceiling, ie. Exeter are run very well but unlikely they would ever be able to get enough finance to go into the Championship, I suspect Newport are the same. As to Bury you are half right. I think that the previous owners were the main culprits as to where they are now, financially, but the current owners look as if they didn’t do due diligence hence the unknown debts. Going into admin, taking a 10-point hit may be the best way to deal with the problem. I know I’d rather have a 10 point hit in league 1 than in league 2 for the obvious reasons. UTG!
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Post by warehamgas on May 28, 2019 11:01:46 GMT
Also interesting that on the BBC website Harvey of the EFL has been praising owners who keep clubs going with their investments into the clubs. One of his swan-song acts I think. Perhaps he’s trying to ingratiate himself with the owners now that he’s going. I don’t necessarily disagree with him but I wouldn’t agree about some owners. Despite everything I think we’re relatively lucky though I’m sure others might not agree. UTG!
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Post by Fetch on May 28, 2019 11:03:01 GMT
Really hope Bury don't liquidate, can you just imagine how horrible it would be to see Plymouth stay up.
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Post by peterparker on May 28, 2019 11:09:29 GMT
Plymouth stay up. (But really some version of Bury will probably just carry on with a points penalty.) at the very least, I think Bury should not be promoted and start with a points deduction in League Two
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2019 12:26:23 GMT
Let Bury come up and deduct them points... lots of points.
Season hasn’t started and already looking a better bet to stay up ... although this is Bristol Rovers so we will always find a way to mess it up.
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Post by markczgas on May 28, 2019 12:34:09 GMT
Let Bury come up and deduct them points... lots of points. Season hasn’t started and already looking a better bet to stay up ... although this is Bristol Rovers so we will always find a way to mess it up. love the positivity ! 15th last season after a very good finish to the season.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2019 13:10:12 GMT
Let Bury come up and deduct them points... lots of points. Season hasn’t started and already looking a better bet to stay up ... although this is Bristol Rovers so we will always find a way to mess it up. love the positivity ! 15th last season after a very good finish to the season. Lighthearted to be fair BUT the season will surely rest on way better Recruitment this summer than last. I’m nervous about the debts rising but totally back GC to bring in players in his mould. Players who will fight for the cause ...
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Post by hollyhillgas on May 28, 2019 13:18:58 GMT
Never mind the points deduction, Bury players stayed loyal for the promotion push, will they stay for another dose of no pay? Their contracts must be non-binding.
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Post by axegas on May 28, 2019 13:55:06 GMT
I think Bury will make huge cutbacks, lose a number of key players in the summer, find new owners and crucially survive just about. They’ll be in for a tough season no doubt and will have to pull a rabbit out of a hat on a small budget just to stay up as Accrington have done this year. Can’t stand their current owner though, obnoxious man.
Bolton are in more trouble in my opinion, they have a points deduction, they owe money to the tax man, still in administration and have players so disgruntled that they are refusing to play matches in protest. We really ought to be finishing above them next year.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2019 10:32:52 GMT
Fruit Market
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