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Post by neilv93 on Sept 3, 2019 21:25:23 GMT
Was just about to post this, genuinely football is f**ked and corrupt even more so than I already thought. Basically the EFL will be looking to make a quick buck, from a club that owes hundreds of companies and individuals money. Absolutely sickening. As for Bolton taking out another huge loan, they could very well get promoted to the Championship next season - possibly even a playoff push this season with the squad they’ve managed to assemble! (can’t see the EFL giving them anymore punishments even though they’ve been picking and choosing when to play for the last two seasons). IMO as harsh as it is a few clubs needed to go bust to make the others realise that decisions such as paying Jermaine Beckford 10k p/w in League 2 on crowds of 3,000 is simply not sustainable. But no, now we have Bolton signing Championship quality players literally days after they were about to liquidate, players such as Bridcutt and Murphy I’d imagine are on at least 5k p/w wouldn’t be surprised if it’s closer to 10. All while they still probably owe ex-players and contractors money! Can you imagine if Lim and the class of 92 walked away from Salford and left them with Adam Rooney on 4k p/w, Richie Towell (who Rotherham in the Championship couldn’t match them wages wise for!) and others, it’s absolute crazytown and no wonder clubs are going bust and running at a loss. www.teamtalk.com/news/peterborough-chairman-involved-in-furious-pay-row-with-new-salford-city-signingSpot on, Ross. I'd be hypocritical in the sense that, if we went bust, I'd want us to do anything we could to stay in the league like Bury are trying now. But a L2 club with a £5m wage bill on 3,000 crowds is utter madness and complete business tomfoolery.
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Post by Gassy on Sept 14, 2019 12:25:47 GMT
I've emailed the EFL to find out when the investigation will be for not fulfilling the fixture. I also asked what the case was/will be for last seasons as well On a long weekend away just quickly posting what happened with this. Sounds like they won’t do anything IMO which is an absolute farce and typical EFL looking after big clubs. I’ve emailed him back saying he ignored my question about last years fixture as well Vs Brentford Gassy: Hi, When will the investigation be completed on Bolton regarding their punishment of not fulfilling a fixture? Were they punished with a points deduction for last season’s fixture miss as well? I don’t believe so but could be wrong. Fans across the country sympathise with their position, however they’ve now signed players on huge wages for L1 and taken out a £40m loan to be repaid within 3 years. For what they’ve done, they deserved to be relegated. Fans across the country are sincerely hoping that a deserved heavy points deduction will be given. It is also unfair that a few teams were able to win 5-0, improving their goal difference – whilst others will now lose. It is highly likely this will affect the final table, as an example Tranmere are expected to be in a relegation fight. I wonder if the other relegation teams get the chance to win that game 5-0?? I look forward to your reply with a date of when the investigation will start.“ EFL: Dear Jack, Bolton Wanderers were permitted to start the 2019/20 season as the Administrators had confirmed that they were in a position to be able to compete, and were in advanced negotiations regarding the sale of the Club. It is an EFL requirement that clubs complete their fixtures and do so by playing their full strength team. Not doing so would mean the Club would potentially be subject to further sanctions. Regarding the postponed fixture versus Doncaster Rovers, there is currently no further update, however discussions will be taking place. Any further comments will be made via efl.com in due course. Thank you for contacting the EFL. Kind Regards Danny
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Sept 14, 2019 13:06:18 GMT
I've emailed the EFL to find out when the investigation will be for not fulfilling the fixture. I also asked what the case was/will be for last seasons as well On a long weekend away just quickly posting what happened with this. Sounds like they won’t do anything IMO which is an absolute farce and typical EFL looking after big clubs. I’ve emailed him back saying he ignored my question about last years fixture as well Vs Brentford Gassy: Hi, When will the investigation be completed on Bolton regarding their punishment of not fulfilling a fixture? Were they punished with a points deduction for last season’s fixture miss as well? I don’t believe so but could be wrong. Fans across the country sympathise with their position, however they’ve now signed players on huge wages for L1 and taken out a £40m loan to be repaid within 3 years. For what they’ve done, they deserved to be relegated. Fans across the country are sincerely hoping that a deserved heavy points deduction will be given. It is also unfair that a few teams were able to win 5-0, improving their goal difference – whilst others will now lose. It is highly likely this will affect the final table, as an example Tranmere are expected to be in a relegation fight. I wonder if the other relegation teams get the chance to win that game 5-0?? I look forward to your reply with a date of when the investigation will start.“ EFL: Dear Jack, Bolton Wanderers were permitted to start the 2019/20 season as the Administrators had confirmed that they were in a position to be able to compete, and were in advanced negotiations regarding the sale of the Club. It is an EFL requirement that clubs complete their fixtures and do so by playing their full strength team. Not doing so would mean the Club would potentially be subject to further sanctions. Regarding the postponed fixture versus Doncaster Rovers, there is currently no further update, however discussions will be taking place. Any further comments will be made via efl.com in due course. Thank you for contacting the EFL. Kind Regards Danny I’d imagine that is a template letter/mail that has been sent to anyone asking the same type of question. Good on you for at least making the effort to ask
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Post by gruad on Sept 14, 2019 13:28:22 GMT
Yes, well done.
Read an article in the economist saying that clubs in lower leagues should compete with the same player budgets that could never break a club.
Perhaps that is the way forward?
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Post by warehamgas on Sept 14, 2019 13:41:37 GMT
I've emailed the EFL to find out when the investigation will be for not fulfilling the fixture. I also asked what the case was/will be for last seasons as well On a long weekend away just quickly posting what happened with this. Sounds like they won’t do anything IMO which is an absolute farce and typical EFL looking after big clubs. I’ve emailed him back saying he ignored my question about last years fixture as well Vs Brentford Gassy: Hi, When will the investigation be completed on Bolton regarding their punishment of not fulfilling a fixture? Were they punished with a points deduction for last season’s fixture miss as well? I don’t believe so but could be wrong. Fans across the country sympathise with their position, however they’ve now signed players on huge wages for L1 and taken out a £40m loan to be repaid within 3 years. For what they’ve done, they deserved to be relegated. Fans across the country are sincerely hoping that a deserved heavy points deduction will be given. It is also unfair that a few teams were able to win 5-0, improving their goal difference – whilst others will now lose. It is highly likely this will affect the final table, as an example Tranmere are expected to be in a relegation fight. I wonder if the other relegation teams get the chance to win that game 5-0?? I look forward to your reply with a date of when the investigation will start.“ EFL: Dear Jack, Bolton Wanderers were permitted to start the 2019/20 season as the Administrators had confirmed that they were in a position to be able to compete, and were in advanced negotiations regarding the sale of the Club. It is an EFL requirement that clubs complete their fixtures and do so by playing their full strength team. Not doing so would mean the Club would potentially be subject to further sanctions. Regarding the postponed fixture versus Doncaster Rovers, there is currently no further update, however discussions will be taking place. Any further comments will be made via efl.com in due course. Thank you for contacting the EFL. Kind Regards Danny I too had exactly the same reply from Danny when I emailed the EFL. It’s obviously a prepared reply. I suppose I didn’t expect any different. But, and I may be wrong, I took from it that there will be further discussions regarding the Doncaster postponement. So further penalties may follow. But they may not. 😉 UTG! Edit: When checking my reply, that I received yesterday, I saw that as well as the complete copy of your reply I did have this paragraph in my reply from Danny. I had asked what they were doing about the Brentford postponement last season and Danny said: “As you might be aware, the Club was referred to an Independent Disciplinary Commission regarding the Brentford match, who will make a decision on a possible sanction. Until a decision is reached, we are unable to provide any further update.” So a bit more information perhaps.
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Post by Windmill Hill Gas on Sept 14, 2019 15:31:36 GMT
Was just about to post this, genuinely football is f**ked and corrupt even more so than I already thought. Basically the EFL will be looking to make a quick buck, from a club that owes hundreds of companies and individuals money. Absolutely sickening. As for Bolton taking out another huge loan, they could very well get promoted to the Championship next season - possibly even a playoff push this season with the squad they’ve managed to assemble! (can’t see the EFL giving them anymore punishments even though they’ve been picking and choosing when to play for the last two seasons). IMO as harsh as it is a few clubs needed to go bust to make the others realise that decisions such as paying Jermaine Beckford 10k p/w in League 2 on crowds of 3,000 is simply not sustainable. But no, now we have Bolton signing Championship quality players literally days after they were about to liquidate, players such as Bridcutt and Murphy I’d imagine are on at least 5k p/w wouldn’t be surprised if it’s closer to 10. All while they still probably owe ex-players and contractors money! Can you imagine if Lim and the class of 92 walked away from Salford and left them with Adam Rooney on 4k p/w, Richie Towell (who Rotherham in the Championship couldn’t match them wages wise for!) and others, it’s absolute crazytown and no wonder clubs are going bust and running at a loss. www.teamtalk.com/news/peterborough-chairman-involved-in-furious-pay-row-with-new-salford-city-signingBolton are 6-1 down after 65 mins. We might have nothing to worry about!
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Post by markczgas on Sept 14, 2019 16:38:14 GMT
Bolton signed all those players - and got their first goal of the season - typical !!!
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Post by stokegiffordgas on Oct 1, 2019 16:04:20 GMT
With no game to focus on this weekend, thanks to Bury and more so the EFL it got me thinking have Bolton got away with fulfilling a fixture last season and one this season too. Surely by now even the incompetents that oversee our league should have ruled on this. I'm not looking to dance on their grave but I think anyone else would have had a points deduction by now. And cancelling the Doncaster game via twitter shows contempt for the EFL too.
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Post by kentgas on Oct 1, 2019 16:23:33 GMT
Sure I saw somewhere that a 6 point deduction was being considered by the EFL for each of the two missed games.
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Post by stokegiffordgas on Oct 1, 2019 17:24:24 GMT
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Post by lmgas on Oct 1, 2019 19:55:00 GMT
Hope they get the further -12, failure to fulfill fixtures is very serious as it could have significant consequences.
Still think they should have been kicked out as their early results have skewed the league table.
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Post by mariobalotelli on Oct 1, 2019 21:00:47 GMT
Was just about to post this, genuinely football is f**ked and corrupt even more so than I already thought. Basically the EFL will be looking to make a quick buck, from a club that owes hundreds of companies and individuals money. Absolutely sickening. As for Bolton taking out another huge loan, they could very well get promoted to the Championship next season - possibly even a playoff push this season with the squad they’ve managed to assemble! (can’t see the EFL giving them anymore punishments even though they’ve been picking and choosing when to play for the last two seasons). IMO as harsh as it is a few clubs needed to go bust to make the others realise that decisions such as paying Jermaine Beckford 10k p/w in League 2 on crowds of 3,000 is simply not sustainable. But no, now we have Bolton signing Championship quality players literally days after they were about to liquidate, players such as Bridcutt and Murphy I’d imagine are on at least 5k p/w wouldn’t be surprised if it’s closer to 10. All while they still probably owe ex-players and contractors money! Can you imagine if Lim and the class of 92 walked away from Salford and left them with Adam Rooney on 4k p/w, Richie Towell (who Rotherham in the Championship couldn’t match them wages wise for!) and others, it’s absolute crazytown and no wonder clubs are going bust and running at a loss. www.teamtalk.com/news/peterborough-chairman-involved-in-furious-pay-row-with-new-salford-city-signingMy turn to be ITK. Bridcutt is on just under 10K/W
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Post by warehamgas on Oct 1, 2019 21:38:10 GMT
I’ve tried to keep aware of this knowledge but had missed the Suns story so thanks stokegifford. If Bolton have signed a player on £9k-£10k then I hope that they have settled all the wages due to their players from last season. I suspect they haven’t which is disgraceful if true. But nothing really surprises me any longer with regard to how the EFL organises the league.
Few people will remember this, possibly those who watched football in the 60s and 70s, but the old head of the FL was a man called Alan Hardaker who was old school and few clubs got away with anything. He wouldn’t have found it easy to operate in this new climate where social media is so important and any “ism” is frowned upon but he would have made sure that the League 1 situation that has been allowed to skew this league would not have happened. I’m not for a moment suggesting going back to those days because there are many things then that don’t happen now. But it does show, imo, that the FL or EFL has really slipped down the scale of importance with the accompanying poor quality of leadership in the organisation. UTG!
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Post by teanbiscuits on Oct 2, 2019 7:03:01 GMT
I’ve tried to keep aware of this knowledge but had missed the Suns story so thanks stokegifford. If Bolton have signed a player on £9k-£10k then I hope that they have settled all the wages due to their players from last season. I suspect they haven’t which is disgraceful if true. But nothing really surprises me any longer with regard to how the EFL organises the league. I heard on Saturday that Mark Little is still owed wages from Bolton. We all know what the terrace rumour mill is like mind.
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Post by thegasman on Oct 2, 2019 8:02:22 GMT
I’ve tried to keep aware of this knowledge but had missed the Suns story so thanks stokegifford. If Bolton have signed a player on £9k-£10k then I hope that they have settled all the wages due to their players from last season. I suspect they haven’t which is disgraceful if true. But nothing really surprises me any longer with regard to how the EFL organises the league. I heard on Saturday that Mark Little is still owed wages from Bolton. We all know what the terrace rumour mill is like mind. Well according to the Evil Post on 4th Sept, this: Mark Little says he is delighted that Bolton Wanderers have been saved, but he is still awaiting payment for missed wages.
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Post by gonzales on Oct 2, 2019 8:06:54 GMT
Pretty sure he said that himself in an interview early or pre season.
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Post by blueridge on Oct 2, 2019 9:21:50 GMT
I’ve tried to keep aware of this knowledge but had missed the Suns story so thanks stokegifford. If Bolton have signed a player on £9k-£10k then I hope that they have settled all the wages due to their players from last season. I suspect they haven’t which is disgraceful if true. But nothing really surprises me any longer with regard to how the EFL organises the league. Few people will remember this, possibly those who watched football in the 60s and 70s, but the old head of the FL was a man called Alan Hardaker who was old school and few clubs got away with anything. He wouldn’t have found it easy to operate in this new climate where social media is so important and any “ism” is frowned upon but he would have made sure that the League 1 situation that has been allowed to skew this league would not have happened. I’m not for a moment suggesting going back to those days because there are many things then that don’t happen now. But it does show, imo, that the FL or EFL has really slipped down the scale of importance with the accompanying poor quality of leadership in the organisation. UTG! I very much doubt they've signed a player on £10k a week. Bridcutt is on loan - his parent club will be paying most of his wages.
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Post by lympstonegas on Oct 4, 2019 7:10:51 GMT
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Post by oldgas on Oct 4, 2019 7:25:26 GMT
IT says the set salary is between 50 & 75k which I think is quite modest for a striker.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2019 7:36:59 GMT
IT says the set salary is between 50 & 75k which I think is quite modest for a striker. As you point out oldgas, this is the yearly salary! Lympstone appears to have misread it.
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