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Post by oldgas on Feb 20, 2020 15:17:38 GMT
Perhaps Mr ALQ sadly passing away will now lead to some big decisions being made by the family, I assume the club will now be owned by the 3 brothers, if so, then Hani & Sammi may not want to keep on throwing away £1m+ on an English football club, even if the late Mr ALQ was prepared to support his youngest son's attempts at football club ownership. Bit early for all this isn't it? The King is dead. Long live the King.
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Post by wertongas on Feb 20, 2020 22:15:29 GMT
Perhaps Mr ALQ sadly passing away will now lead to some big decisions being made by the family, I assume the club will now be owned by the 3 brothers, if so, then Hani & Sammi may not want to keep on throwing away £1m+ on an English football club, even if the late Mr ALQ was prepared to support his youngest son's attempts at football club ownership. If the old man has left his wealth equally between his three sons, then that would considerably increase the wealth of Weal, he may not need the backing of the family once the will has been processed and may be able to go it alone with Rovers and carry out the improvements he wants. it will at least increase his wealth by 2- 3 times. Old Mr AQ held most of the family wealth, if he decided to pass most of that wealth onto his sons it would certainly be life changing for them, only time will tell.
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Post by lpgas on Feb 20, 2020 22:27:55 GMT
Perhaps Mr ALQ sadly passing away will now lead to some big decisions being made by the family, I assume the club will now be owned by the 3 brothers, if so, then Hani & Sammi may not want to keep on throwing away £1m+ on an English football club, even if the late Mr ALQ was prepared to support his youngest son's attempts at football club ownership. If the old man has left his wealth equally between his three sons, then that would considerably increase the wealth of Weal, he may not need the backing of the family once the will has been processed and may be able to go it alone with Rovers and carry out the improvements he wants. it will at least increase his wealth by 2- 3 times. Old Mr AQ held most of the family wealth, if he decided to pass most of that wealth onto his sons it would certainly be life changing for them, only time will tell. Think you will find that in middle Eastern culture it is passed on to the eldest son.
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Post by curlywurly on Feb 20, 2020 22:41:55 GMT
Perhaps Mr ALQ sadly passing away will now lead to some big decisions being made by the family, I assume the club will now be owned by the 3 brothers, if so, then Hani & Sammi may not want to keep on throwing away £1m+ on an English football club, even if the late Mr ALQ was prepared to support his youngest son's attempts at football club ownership. If the old man has left his wealth equally between his three sons, then that would considerably increase the wealth of Weal, he may not need the backing of the family once the will has been processed and may be able to go it alone with Rovers and carry out the improvements he wants. it will at least increase his wealth by 2- 3 times. Old Mr AQ held most of the family wealth, if he decided to pass most of that wealth onto his sons it would certainly be life changing for them, only time will tell. Am I the only one that finds this discussion distasteful.
Can we leave it and let the family grieve FFS
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Post by Charlton Hayes Gas on Feb 21, 2020 11:33:09 GMT
Makes you weep when you look at Swansea and Cardiff and how they've moved onwards and upwards since the days of being our rivals. And then weep a bit more when you see Brentford and AFC Wimbledon also at it nowadays. Neither of those, especially the Dons, are conventionally rich clubs. They have rich owners. But so do we, FFS!!! What a shambles the last 4 years have been. Time for another weep. in all seriousness has any fan giving fund ever been set up by us? Just off the top of my head I can remember Grimsby in non league achieving one to buy a striker (believe it was Omar Boyle) then Swindon recently had one to buy back the county ground, and now Wimbledon’s raised millions for their new stadium. If someone or the club were to set one I’d happily contribute a couple Of hundred quid.
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Post by chewbacca on Feb 21, 2020 14:55:35 GMT
Makes you weep when you look at Swansea and Cardiff and how they've moved onwards and upwards since the days of being our rivals. And then weep a bit more when you see Brentford and AFC Wimbledon also at it nowadays. Neither of those, especially the Dons, are conventionally rich clubs. They have rich owners. But so do we, FFS!!! What a shambles the last 4 years have been. Time for another weep. in all seriousness has any fan giving fund ever been set up by us? Just off the top of my head I can remember Grimsby in non league achieving one to buy a striker (believe it was Omar Boyle) then Swindon recently had one to buy back the county ground, and now Wimbledon’s raised millions for their new stadium. If someone or the club were to set one I’d happily contribute a couple Of hundred quid. There was a donation scheme that was set up under the guise we would have representation on the board. Anyone remember what happened to it?
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Post by Colyton Gas on Feb 23, 2020 10:21:22 GMT
Attachment Deleted7 years ago today we drew away at Morecambe.Eliot scored.Took this pic. They have the tiniest of crowds but their main stand would be nice at the Mem.Never ever going to get a new stadium so something similar at our place would at least be a start.
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Post by glengas on Feb 23, 2020 10:42:18 GMT
View Attachment7 years ago today we drew away at Morecambe.Eliot scored.Took this pic. They have the tiniest of crowds but their main stand would be nice at the Mem.Never ever going to get a new stadium so something similar at our place would at least be a start. m The Mem could be developed into a nice stadium, the problem is unless there is a decent return on investment it is not going to happen. That’s why the tents are so popular. Low cost investment with a chance to maximise return with higher ticket prices.
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Post by darkbluegas on Feb 23, 2020 11:26:09 GMT
I’ve still yet to hear anyone make the financial case for the unicorn stadium over the redevelopment of the Mem. Bearing in mind we need to raise 50-60 million to build it.
It’s a serious question that no one seems to answer. I understand how one could be built with us as tenants but not owners.
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Post by pirate on Feb 23, 2020 12:45:43 GMT
7 years ago today we drew away at Morecambe.Eliot scored.Took this pic. They have the tiniest of crowds but their main stand would be nice at the Mem.Never ever going to get a new stadium so something similar at our place would at least be a start. Even Woking have something better.
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Post by axegas on Feb 23, 2020 13:07:39 GMT
7 years ago today we drew away at Morecambe.Eliot scored.Took this pic. They have the tiniest of crowds but their main stand would be nice at the Mem.Never ever going to get a new stadium so something similar at our place would at least be a start. Even Woking have something better. And they are demolishing that and building a new stadium! www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/surrey-news/woking-fcs-revised-stadium-plans-17339008
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Post by Gassy on Feb 23, 2020 16:23:08 GMT
7 years ago today we drew away at Morecambe.Eliot scored.Took this pic. They have the tiniest of crowds but their main stand would be nice at the Mem.Never ever going to get a new stadium so something similar at our place would at least be a start. Even Woking have something better. Genuinely, when I drive around Europe I see better stadiums at village teams in Croatia than we have
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Post by darkbluegas on Feb 23, 2020 18:01:44 GMT
Even Woking have something better. Genuinely, when I drive around Europe I see better stadiums at village teams in Croatia than we have I think people underestimate the benefit we would achieve by the building of a permanent structure at the Mem. Some manipulation of the pitch size and placement, a decent little stand could be added to the south end of the ground. This could add some new facilities and would allow some peace meal development of the ground. At least we would doing something and not waiting another 40 years for some non existent new stadium.
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Post by gregsy on Feb 23, 2020 18:22:21 GMT
Personally I don't see any easy solution that's good for the club:
We could sell up and build on cheap land (Severn side etc) and potentially still own a stadium, problem is how is the non-matchday income going to be generated out in the sticks? We could sell up become debt free and go to a location on expensive land (fruit market) and become tennents, where non match day income would be out of the clubs hands. Stay at the mem, with the debt and hope for investment....
A rabbit needs to be pulled out of hat one way or another....
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Post by darkbluegas on Feb 23, 2020 18:47:01 GMT
Personally I don't see any easy solution that's good for the club: We could sell up and build on cheap land (Severn side etc) and potentially still own a stadium, problem is how is the non-matchday income going to be generated out in the sticks? We could sell up become debt free and go to a location on expensive land (fruit market) and become tennents, where non match day income would be out of the clubs hands. Stay at the mem, with the debt and hope for investment.... A rabbit needs to be pulled out of hat one way or another.... Agree theres no easy option but some progress needs to be made in dragging the club into the 21st Century. Now it’s obvious there’s no serious interest in purchasing the club or building us a fantasy stadium we can’t stagnate for another 20 years. The ground is becoming/has become an embarrassment and it can’t continue. The ground is now obsolete in terms of what the modern supporter expects. Any small improvements would at least generate some interest and maybe instil a little pride in our surroundings.
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Post by gregsy on Feb 23, 2020 18:53:28 GMT
Personally I don't see any easy solution that's good for the club: We could sell up and build on cheap land (Severn side etc) and potentially still own a stadium, problem is how is the non-matchday income going to be generated out in the sticks? We could sell up become debt free and go to a location on expensive land (fruit market) and become tennents, where non match day income would be out of the clubs hands. Stay at the mem, with the debt and hope for investment.... A rabbit needs to be pulled out of hat one way or another.... Agree theres no easy option but some progress needs to be made in dragging the club into the 21st Century. Now it’s obvious there’s no serious interest in purchasing the club or building us a fantasy stadium we can’t stagnate for another 20 years. The ground is becoming/has become an embarrassment and it can’t continue. The ground is now obsolete in terms of what the modern supporter expects. Any small improvements would at least generate some interest and maybe instil a little pride in our surroundings. The really annoying thing is this should have all been done bloody ages ago before the debt got high. We would certainly have had more chance to attract investment. Now I just feel the mem is a carcass with vultures taking note....
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Post by darkbluegas on Feb 23, 2020 19:30:08 GMT
Agree theres no easy option but some progress needs to be made in dragging the club into the 21st Century. Now it’s obvious there’s no serious interest in purchasing the club or building us a fantasy stadium we can’t stagnate for another 20 years. The ground is becoming/has become an embarrassment and it can’t continue. The ground is now obsolete in terms of what the modern supporter expects. Any small improvements would at least generate some interest and maybe instil a little pride in our surroundings. The really annoying thing is this should have all been done bloody ages ago before the debt got high. We would certainly have had more chance to attract investment. Now I just feel the mem is a carcass with vultures taking note.... . I think the penny has probably dropped with Wael now and the talks he’s had so far has made him realise all that glistens is not gold. Unfortunately the vultures can pedal the Fruit Basket stadium or any other alternative until the ground collapses along with club.
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Post by Gassy on Feb 24, 2020 7:54:21 GMT
Genuinely, when I drive around Europe I see better stadiums at village teams in Croatia than we have I think people underestimate the benefit we would achieve by the building of a permanent structure at the Mem. Some manipulation of the pitch size and placement, a decent little stand could be added to the south end of the ground. This could add some new facilities and would allow some peace meal development of the ground. At least we would doing something and not waiting another 40 years for some non existent new stadium. You can easily fit in a tidy stadium at the Mem if you move the pitch, problem is that you need to move away to do it as you'd need to move other stands if you wanted to make more space for a larger south stand. And at that point, you might as well rebuild the whole thing. I reckon the Mem could fit about 16,000 without moving anything. When I get some free time, I actually design some stadiums for fun as an 'amateur architect'. Started doing the Mem a while ago to the specs of that land. It's unfinished, but you can have a look below. I think this holds 16,500 or something, I have some notes but can't find them atm as I've moved houses recently. I wanted to see what could be done without going above the current Mem height and without moving the pitch:
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Post by darkbluegas on Feb 24, 2020 9:10:48 GMT
I think people underestimate the benefit we would achieve by the building of a permanent structure at the Mem. Some manipulation of the pitch size and placement, a decent little stand could be added to the south end of the ground. This could add some new facilities and would allow some peace meal development of the ground. At least we would doing something and not waiting another 40 years for some non existent new stadium. You can easily fit in a tidy stadium at the Mem if you move the pitch, problem is that you need to move away to do it as you'd need to move other stands if you wanted to make more space for a larger south stand. And at that point, you might as well rebuild the whole thing. I reckon the Mem could fit about 16,000 without moving anything. When I get some free time, I actually design some stadiums for fun as an 'amateur architect'. Started doing the Mem a while ago to the specs of that land. It's unfinished, but you can have a look below. I think this holds 16,500 or something, I have some notes but can't find them atm as I've moved houses recently. I wanted to see what could be done without going above the current Mem height and without moving the pitch: That looks good, interesting to see what’s possible. I think there is a little scope to move the pitch while some redevelopment takes place. Currently there is quite a lot of space behind the goals, from the days of rugby at the ground. Also the pitch is longer than the minimum dimensions required. During any development, the south stand could be built to take into account this. During a peace meal development of the site, the current stands would be offset from the centre lines of the pitch but it would be a small price to pay in comparison to moving away. This would allow for a slightly larger West Stand taking into account designs to maintain the light to properties behind. Although a slow process, it would be a statement of intent and costs would be more manageable if the process began at the south end.
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Post by Gassy on Feb 24, 2020 9:29:45 GMT
You can easily fit in a tidy stadium at the Mem if you move the pitch, problem is that you need to move away to do it as you'd need to move other stands if you wanted to make more space for a larger south stand. And at that point, you might as well rebuild the whole thing. I reckon the Mem could fit about 16,000 without moving anything. When I get some free time, I actually design some stadiums for fun as an 'amateur architect'. Started doing the Mem a while ago to the specs of that land. It's unfinished, but you can have a look below. I think this holds 16,500 or something, I have some notes but can't find them atm as I've moved houses recently. I wanted to see what could be done without going above the current Mem height and without moving the pitch: That looks good, interesting to see what’s possible. I think there is a little scope to move the pitch while some redevelopment takes place. Currently there is quite a lot of space behind the goals, from the days of rugby at the ground. Also the pitch is longer than the minimum dimensions required. During any development, the south stand could be built to take into account this. During a peace meal development of the site, the current stands would be offset from the centre lines of the pitch but it would be a small price to pay in comparison to moving away. This would allow for a slightly larger West Stand taking into account designs to maintain the light to properties behind. Although a slow process, it would be a statement of intent and costs would be more manageable if the process began at the south end. Yeah I think the gap between the stand and the goal line is about 4m roughly at each stand. A bigger issue is that the land isn' exactly flat, this would make things a lot more difficult. I think the best thing to do would be to build the north terrace first. That way you could extend the pitch north east (without it being played on). Then build a big east stand and the south/west could then fit in due course. The 'rule of thumb' is that it costs about £1m per 1,000 seats I believe (for a basic stand). But I'd assume with our land, moving of pitch and demolishing of stands etc. it would cost more.
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