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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2019 7:52:28 GMT
I think it comes back to the debate about wanting to go up or not.
To me, its obvious we have no ambitions to get promoted until a new stadium is sorted (we can dream), and until then we are happy treading water (or nearly drowning in last season's case) in League one, until funding is in place to have a proper go.
GC's interview talking about 'cutting our cloth accordingly' and putting out a team like he did yesterday at home to Wycombe makes it obvious to me.
In the meantime, our attendances will plummet.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2019 7:53:20 GMT
He’s not a lier but he’s trying to protect his players, I can take this.
What I can’t take is negative tactics like we saw where we are set up to worry about the opposition first. No one is telling me we needed Upson and Ogogo in the same midfield yesterday, one is a crab and the other players like a poor mans Sincs.
Lines would walk into our midfield.
We had so much space on the right it was obvious we needed a Rodman on and this guy defends as well.
You won’t see 8,000 at the Mem this season if he keeps deploying Ian Atkins tactics like this
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2019 7:55:36 GMT
I wonder how many people on here actually have ever played the game. The conditions made football pretty nigh on impossible. As for Leahy I just can't see that in either of the two games played he was crap and yet people defend Ollie Clarke who has struggled to put a pass to our players in either game played. Especially today in conditions that favoured the oppositions one way of playing I thought all the defenders did a sterling job but of course we have been warned by Walsall fans on Leahy but tell me how many times did Wycombe get past our defenders in the 90 minutes? Very few I would say but of course our wonderful fans love to criticise and then wonder why they get abuse from a player. When it comes down to it we are no better these days than those across the river and the atmosphere too is resembling Ashton Gate. I agree that GCs tactics do not match his promises but the thread is disrespectful to say the least and probably should be deleted or re wycombe named. The clue is in the word football!!!!not hoofball or headball so if it is windy you play the ball on the ground thus negating the effect of the elements.wycombe got around the back of our defence on a number of occasions and did try to play some football on the ground but when they did go long it was directed at akinfenwa not aimlessly.what we were watching yesterday was reminiscent of Ian Atkins football?the season after he masterminded our escape from relegation there was no plan b then and looks like no plan b now.
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Post by madgas on Aug 11, 2019 7:56:35 GMT
Even if I had, he's done little to make me think otherwise in his first 2 appearances. Just goes to show, maybe you should listen to Walsall fans after all. Nah, I'll stick to my own thoughts and opinion, but thanks for the advice. I thought Leahy was one of the positives today. There were loads but i thought each defender had a good game.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2019 7:58:19 GMT
It wasn't great, but don't think it was anywhere near as bad as some think. A fully fit JCH and Adeboyejo up front should be enough to see us comfortably in mid table imo. Weather definitely dictated the selection today. One thing I noticed more than ever though was the people moaning about absolutely everything before a ball had even been kicked. No wonder the atmosphere was flat. If Rovers make you that miserable, why put yourself through it?! My sentiments exactly, if you’re only prepared to turn up to have a moan, stay at home and make your old lady suffer with it. On a day when the wait for the big screen proved its worth as well. The pre match ‘classic Rovers goals’ vid was absolutely fantastic and the players pics appearing whilst their names were read out was also a great touch. I guess some people will appreciate absolutely nothing. What big screen? From where I was standing it was obscured and I couldn't see a thing
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Aug 11, 2019 8:14:04 GMT
Nah, I'll stick to my own thoughts and opinion, but thanks for the advice. I thought Leahy was one of the positives today. There were loads but i thought each defender had a good game. I agree the other 3 did and the keeper.
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Post by Hudson1883 on Aug 11, 2019 8:21:09 GMT
My sentiments exactly, if you’re only prepared to turn up to have a moan, stay at home and make your old lady suffer with it. On a day when the wait for the big screen proved its worth as well. The pre match ‘classic Rovers goals’ vid was absolutely fantastic and the players pics appearing whilst their names were read out was also a great touch. I guess some people will appreciate absolutely nothing. What big screen? From where I was standing it was obscured and I couldn't see a thing Obscured by what exactly? Were you In the gents for 2hrs?
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Post by worrelsterlingalbion on Aug 11, 2019 8:30:17 GMT
I didn't see him shirk any tackles yesterday & if he is a bit soft that doesn't make him mentally week it just means he isn't a strong tackler. Is every player that doesn't tackle mentally weak ? With respect I think you've just picked up on a comment from his previous clubs forum and taken it as gospel. Rubbish. I'm going on what I have seen. He seems to back out of competing for the ball. If someone wasn't a strong tackler then fair enough but if you don't even attempt to make the tackle or properly win the ball then that is mentally weak. Hope that clears that up for you. Nope all that does is tell me you in your opinion he can't or won't tackle. That in no way proves he is mentally weak you've just decided it does. He might be but neither you or I can prove it.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Aug 11, 2019 8:35:16 GMT
Rubbish. I'm going on what I have seen. He seems to back out of competing for the ball. If someone wasn't a strong tackler then fair enough but if you don't even attempt to make the tackle or properly win the ball then that is mentally weak. Hope that clears that up for you. Nope all that does is tell me you in your opinion he can't or won't tackle. That in no way proves he is mentally weak you've just decided it does. He might be but neither you or I can prove it. I'm not trying to prove anything, on the evidence I have seen though he appears to be mentally weak.
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Post by GasAttacK on Aug 11, 2019 8:55:54 GMT
Liar is a bit harsh but I know where the OP is coming from and regardless, I think the sooner he goes the better.
JCH apart we're weaker now than the squad he inherited last December.
The football on offer is some of the most dire, defensive football we've seen since Atkins days and yet he comes out afterwards suggesting we played okay and should have won?
I said it in another thread, it's Atkins tactics with Buckles delusional post match interviews.
When was the last time our opening home attendance was that low? Fans will not want to part with their cash to watch that.
Mcghee and Ward both kept us up in L2 in similar situations and were both sacked the following season. GC will go the same way, it's just a matter of time in my opinion.
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Post by worrelsterlingalbion on Aug 11, 2019 9:00:33 GMT
Nope all that does is tell me you in your opinion he can't or won't tackle. That in no way proves he is mentally weak you've just decided it does. He might be but neither you or I can prove it. I'm not trying to prove anything, on the evidence I have seen though he appears to be mentally weak. Fair enough I just think you're being a bit harsh on the evidence of 2 games. Personally I think the back 4 is the least of our worries !!!
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Aug 11, 2019 9:07:34 GMT
I'm not trying to prove anything, on the evidence I have seen though he appears to be mentally weak. Fair enough I just think you're being a bit harsh on the evidence of 2 games. Personally I think the back 4 is the least of our worries !!! Yes, it is the midfield that really needs addressing (see thread I have started).
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Post by stevek192 on Aug 11, 2019 9:46:00 GMT
GGMI Brainwashed by Walsall supporters. No evidence whatsoever from the two performances that he is mentally weak- wnatever that might be or a poor defender.Ok he switched off for the second goal but would he really have won that great ball anyway? I have seen Lockyer, Lee B rown and many others switch off in a similar way. Give the bloke a chance - you have written him off on the basis of being mentally weak yourself and just taking the opinion of a football clubs fans who are hardly going to be full of praise for somebody who walked out on them after relegation. It is n ot possible to judge a player based on two games, you my friend no doubt wrote off b oth Lambert and Jason Roberts!!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2019 11:15:23 GMT
What big screen? From where I was standing it was obscured and I couldn't see a thing Obscured by what exactly? Were you In the gents for 2hrs? Very funny but probably would have been more what the screen was showing was not visible to usentertaining.i was stood on west enclosure near the south west stand and
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Aug 11, 2019 11:20:27 GMT
It wasn't great, but don't think it was anywhere near as bad as some think. A fully fit JCH and Adeboyejo up front should be enough to see us comfortably in mid table imo. Weather definitely dictated the selection today. One thing I noticed more than ever though was the people moaning about absolutely everything before a ball had even been kicked. No wonder the atmosphere was flat. If Rovers make you that miserable, why put yourself through it?! My sentiments exactly, if you’re only prepared to turn up to have a moan, stay at home and make your old lady suffer with it. On a day when the wait for the big screen proved its worth as well. The pre match ‘classic Rovers goals’ vid was absolutely fantastic and the players pics appearing whilst their names were read out was also a great touch. I guess some people will appreciate absolutely nothing. You can only see the edge of it if sat in the SW tent. The White scaffolding or whatever it is and stuff behind it, cover it from view
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Post by peterhooper57 on Aug 11, 2019 11:41:23 GMT
Whether GC is out of his depth or not, the next 4 or 5 games will truly tell; however, listening to him defending a awful performance from a group of less than average ELF players during his post match interview yesterday at best was pitiful & sad. If we are bottom six by October he will be a spent force with all of his credit from last season dissipated and he with be resigned to the BRFC managerial dustbin. A 7800 gate for an opening game of the season tells its own story, with a really poor midfield and Nichols (ffs enough said) still in the squad, GC will do well to get many wins before is inevitable departure. Unfortunately pessimistic but probably true.
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Post by lpgas on Aug 11, 2019 11:48:17 GMT
It works like this. Rodman has a slight injury. GC does not want to lose first game at home. He is still "saddled" with some of Clarkes signings namely; Nicholls; Bennet; and Upson. I suspect he would like all 3 to go but they cannot afford to pay them off, so he is stuck with them until they go. Then I believe we will see a much better midfield and attack next season.
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Post by baggins on Aug 11, 2019 11:50:41 GMT
It works like this. Rodman has a slight injury. GC does not want to lose first game at home. He is still "saddled" with some of Clarkes signings namely; Nicholls; Bennet; and Upson. I suspect he would like all 3 to go but they cannot afford to pay them off, so he is stuck with them until they go. Then I believe we will see a much better midfield and attack next season. Agree. If we'd have lost that yesterday, first home game, it'd have been a real worry. But job done, point on the board.
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Post by pirate49 on Aug 11, 2019 11:51:40 GMT
Best players I saw pre-season who looked like they could make things happen? Bennett, Reilly, Rodman and Moore!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2019 11:53:48 GMT
It works like this. Rodman has a slight injury. GC does not want to lose first game at home. He is still "saddled" with some of Clarkes signings namely; Nicholls; Bennet; and Upson. I suspect he would like all 3 to go but they cannot afford to pay them off, so he is stuck with them until they go. Then I believe we will see a much better midfield and attack next season. You cannot keep blaming DC for performances. You wouldn't be praising him if they were good would you? Nichols' failures I will give you, but Bennett and Upson are decent enough players at this level, as are others he inherited such as Craig, Sercombe, THD, Clarke, Rodman...
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