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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2014 20:21:04 GMT
to be honest we actually have staff who aren't overpaid, and have a good work ethic.... we don't have any overpaid, over-rated players, and i'm enjoying it along with many other thousands of people.... if Clarke bought in one crap overpaid player in then everything that a 1000+ people are currently travelling to watch could be lost. I know it's a fine balance but crap overpaid players makes people stop watching football.... give the man time.... I agree with this, but I do accept, of course, that we must get promotion. It may not be this season, but surely next year if not, because we have to do it with this squad as the basis and this manager. It cannot drag on to be another, different "project". We'll go up when we are good enough to go up. I'm pretty relaxed about it now. What I don't want is for us to go up before we are ready. I'd rather stay here 5 years and never come back again than fluke a playoff win and end coming back down. Right now we're are not good enough.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2014 20:39:01 GMT
Its been a strange season and i hope we do our all to get in the remaining players we need.
I have said it before and will no doubt say it again its criminal not having any scouts. Relying on an inexperienced lower non league manager alone to recruit players is not fair on him or the club. Its no wonder we have atruggled at times to identify players, DC is doing his best but we have missed a chance to be higher up.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2014 20:44:46 GMT
I think some people are scaremongering here.
We'll die in 5-10 years if we don't go up ?!?! Absolutely no credibility to that statement.
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Post by Mark Ash on Oct 30, 2014 21:08:36 GMT
I agree with this, but I do accept, of course, that we must get promotion. It may not be this season, but surely next year if not, because we have to do it with this squad as the basis and this manager. It cannot drag on to be another, different "project". We'll go up when we are good enough to go up. I'm pretty relaxed about it now. What I don't want is for us to go up before we are ready. I'd rather stay here 5 years and never come back again than fluke a playoff win and end coming back down. Right now we're are not good enough. This is a bit Confucian for me. If we can only go up when we're good enough we don't have to worry about "fluking it". On the other hand, it's not like passing a driving test, reaching some defined standard. Two teams have to go up, whatever standard they are at. Some seasons will require a lower standard than others, depending on the opposition. If we're waiting until we think we're ready, let's hope we don't pick the same year as two other teams. I'll take promotion as quickly as possible and fight the next year's battles when we get to them.
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Post by Mark Ash on Oct 30, 2014 21:13:07 GMT
The reason I suggest we would die in 5 to 10 years is that you cannot believe we will still be getting 5500 at home and 800 away in 5 years time if we do not go back up. This season the fans have maintained their loyalty. Don't expect it to last. Look at Grimsby. Down to just about 3000. So I would suggest after this season there will be a decline in attendances, we then cut the budget even more to avoid losses, and in 5 to 10 years we will be on a par with the Braintrees and Altrinchams of this world. You tell me how long we would survive that? As you say, look at Grimsby. Still going. Still be going when we're all dead, I expect.
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Post by swissgas on Oct 30, 2014 21:23:11 GMT
The reason I suggest we would die in 5 to 10 years is that you cannot believe we will still be getting 5500 at home and 800 away in 5 years time if we do not go back up. This season the fans have maintained their loyalty. Don't expect it to last. Look at Grimsby. Down to just about 3000. So I would suggest after this season there will be a decline in attendances, we then cut the budget even more to avoid losses, and in 5 to 10 years we will be on a par with the Braintrees and Altrinchams of this world. You tell me how long we would survive that? I should think we could survive indefinitely on gates of 3000 as Grimsby are doing. But it is going to become increasingly difficult to hide the true situation from the fans and IMO the board would be better of telling us exactly what is happening and what the realistic options are for Rovers in the future.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2014 21:24:34 GMT
We'll go up when we are good enough to go up. I'm pretty relaxed about it now. What I don't want is for us to go up before we are ready. I'd rather stay here 5 years and never come back again than fluke a playoff win and end coming back down. Right now we're are not good enough. This is a bit Confucian for me. If we can only go up when we're good enough we don't have to worry about "fluking it". On the other hand, it's not like passing a driving test, reaching some defined standard. Two teams have to go up, whatever standard they are at. Some seasons will require a lower standard than others, depending on the opposition. If we're waiting until we think we're ready, let's hope we don't pick the same year as two other teams. I'll take promotion as quickly as possible and fight the next year's battles when we get to them. Ok, to use a Premier League analogy,do you want to be QPR/West Brom or Swansea/Southampton?
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Post by gasincider on Oct 30, 2014 21:50:06 GMT
I've no doubt I would be one of the remaining 3000. It doesn't mean we would ever be good enough to go back up.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2014 22:19:47 GMT
I have no doubt that if we are up there in Jan, the board will throw everything they have at it. Next year without parachute payments things get harder. I know they are pushing for a signing at the moment. We will just have to wait and see.
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 30, 2014 22:19:51 GMT
I hate football. You are not strictly correct. In fact this season we lost just over £500k in league funding. We also lost the £300k approx from the rugby. Next season, if, god forbid, we don't get promotion, we lose the rest of our league funding which is another £260k. Therefore every season from then on we will be down just over £1 million on where we were last season. It doesn't sound much when you say it quick, but the bottom line is we will probably die within 5 to 10 years unless we get the UWE. That is why the new stadium is so vital. Why is the new stadium vital to our survival, we just need a stadium where we can hold 12, 000 fans, a revamped Mem could do that? As far as income being down this dose not mean losses are up by the same sum as we've clearly cut our wage bill by £100K's (just releasing JJOT must have saved over £100K!). The only clubs challenging for promotion with a rich benefactor are FGR & Barnet so we have more than double the gates/income of most clubs around us, and that will be the same whilst gates stay over 5,000. It's odd how JW was blamed last season for not bringing in a striker but DC's having the same issues this season, why can't we sign a good striker, is DC/NH now hoping Harrison can save us a new strikers wages?
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Post by stevek192 on Oct 31, 2014 0:52:46 GMT
Of course it is more difficult to bring in a striker this season. We are not in the Football League and many players don't want Conference on their Cvs. It doesnt matter what support we get the majority of players who are signed to Football League Clubs want to stay in the Football league. Whilst in the Football League you could get Premier League Clubs to loan players to League 1 clubs and even League 2 clubs but they won't loan out to Conference. It is a struggle to get League 2 clubs to loan players out and even then we have to find players who are BETTER than what we have....not as easy as people think. I also believe that we have dropped our wages so much that players just ain't going to come to us except as a last resort.
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Post by bs20gas on Oct 31, 2014 1:26:44 GMT
maybe were just skint and in debt and cant afford any players and were going with what weve got ? we have a chance if these lads can scrape results like they have been doing we will be up there come the end of the season. keep a positive atmosphere around the place and the team and hopefully we can do it and get the hell out of this league, we need too as i cant see us maintaining this level of support indefinetly especially away the tinpot novelty factor will soon lose its shine, i think D.C.is doing ok with the players he has and im hoping that they can keep it up, were doing allright so far.U.T.G.
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Oct 31, 2014 3:29:28 GMT
The reason I suggest we would die in 5 to 10 years is that you cannot believe we will still be getting 5500 at home and 800 away in 5 years time if we do not go back up. This season the fans have maintained their loyalty. Don't expect it to last. Look at Grimsby. Down to just about 3000. So I would suggest after this season there will be a decline in attendances, we then cut the budget even more to avoid losses, and in 5 to 10 years we will be on a par with the Braintrees and Altrinchams of this world. You tell me how long we would survive that? And Luton?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2014 6:20:19 GMT
Of course it is more difficult to bring in a striker this season. We are not in the Football League and many players don't want Conference on their Cvs. It doesnt matter what support we get the majority of players who are signed to Football League Clubs want to stay in the Football league. Whilst in the Football League you could get Premier League Clubs to loan players to League 1 clubs and even League 2 clubs but they won't loan out to Conference. It is a struggle to get League 2 clubs to loan players out and even then we have to find players who are BETTER than what we have....not as easy as people think. I also believe that we have dropped our wages so much that players just ain't going to come to us except as a last resort. Great post Steve. I think that DC is working in very difficult circumstances, our gates only come into the equation if their size is reflected in the wages we offer, which they obviously don't at the moment.
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Post by Wembley_Gas on Oct 31, 2014 7:04:34 GMT
It was only a week ago or so that DC said we would definitely strengthen the squad before the Telford game but ............ The Boss noted that he is still keen to strengthen the squad, but it is proving difficult to do so. “I’m looking to strengthen with the right player at the right time, and I’ve still got money left to try and attain such a player. I’m being patient with a couple of potentials, so we’ll see where it goes.” Clarke also commented on Angelo Balanta, who is yet to play a first-team game for Rovers. “He’s not back in full training yet. He’s stepped up his rehab work and might be back with us at the start of next week, but he definitely won’t be in contention for the game on Saturday.” This isn't a personal dig at Darrell Clarke but why say things and then not deliver. Meanwhile the crowds are massive by Conference standards (7,000 for FGR) but none of this revenue is being used to strengthen the squad (??), especially a forward line that is failing miserably. By the end of January we will have played 30 of our 46 games in the league - will we have strengthened by then ? are we seriously trying to get top spot !? Everything seems so flat and uninspiring. I'm tired of reading how strong the opposition are AGAIN , even the one bottom of the table who we are playing on Saturday. If you actually watch the interviews and stop putting words in his mouth then maybe you won't consider promises have been broken and that he is bigging up the opposition. a) he said he WOULD LIKE to get in one or two before the Telford game. After that he told everyone that he was turned down on one approach, and now he is told to bide his time and he might get his next target. So his aspiration was not fulfilled. He has kept us all informed but he's never going to tell you who he went for and whether they are worth the wait. In the past we waited for chris wood (worth the wait shame we did not get) and constable (not worth wasting so much time on) so I think a lesson has been learned there about revealing targets! b) he has to ensure we are prepared for more Braintrees and Altrichams so he opens up with the grounding statement but then he always says how good the spirit in the camp is, how well they have worked, how confident he is that his team will work hard and we go into every game expecting to win it. words on paper don't truly reflect what he says or how he says it. You rarely see the humour he delivers some of the lines with when reading the EP
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Post by Severncider on Oct 31, 2014 7:05:34 GMT
TT already answered for me. But, yes we need to improve in front of goal. If we can't get a loan player in that will do that, then don't bother.
We don't need another Bond. Then we're not going up this season. Simple as that. If we can be 6th in this league while hardly scoring it is beggars belief to me how the club can't see that it's the only missing piece of the puzzle. I know Clarke has a thing about not wanting to cave under pressure and sign duffers, fine, good policy. So why sign Ángelo Balanta , an ex-prem player who probably commands a fair wage but hasn't played regular football for near on two years? Doesn't fit the philosophy to me. I still trust Clarke but it's frustrating to see that the club still dragging it's heels fixing the thing that was so obviously wrong last year and that sent us out of the league in the first place.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2014 7:35:43 GMT
Severncider, its very confusing when you delete your posts!
I just looked back (because I have a poor memory, not because I'm checking up on you) and none of your posts have you revealed why you think Balanta joined us and I come back to this thread and you've removed saying you know why Balanta signed here too!!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2014 8:29:59 GMT
Severncider, its very confusing when you delete your posts! I just looked back (because I have a poor memory, not because I'm checking up on you) and none of your posts have you revealed why you think Balanta joined us and I come back to this thread and you've removed saying you know why Balanta signed here too!! I'm glad i'm not the only one, just looked at some of his posts, jeez talk about swaying opinions/comments. I truly haven't got a clue whats he's going on about Balanta now. Oi GasIncider - tell us what the fook you're on about with Balanta..........please.
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 31, 2014 8:55:56 GMT
GasIncider(just realised the hiddden message in their user name!) suggested that Balanta was only signed because of the ex Swindon Chairman's (McCharthy?) involvement before he eventually invests in the club, I have to admit it doesn't seem like a typical DC signing, although did NH just sign him in a panic after our run of poor results? I'm fearing he's another Kenneth who'll nevver make his mark even when fit.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2014 9:05:09 GMT
GasIncider(just realised the hiddden message in their user name!) suggested that Balanta was only signed because of the ex Swindon Chairman's (McCharthy?) involvement before he eventually invests in the club, I have to admit it doesn't seem like a typical DC signing, although did NH just sign him in a panic after our run of poor results? I'm fearing he's another Kenneth who'll nevver make his mark even when fit. Yes, GASINCIDER said that. But it was SEVERNCIDER who said they'd revealed why Balanta was signed and was called a Shithead for their troubles. I assume they are 2 different people. Or are they? I'm all confused.
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