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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2019 7:38:59 GMT
Based on the season so far and the general performances League 2 beckons. We have too many League 2 standard players and with Ogogo and Ollie Clarke together we were never going to dominate the game today. GC's football is dull to watch and so slow and predictable. Even playing against ten players we were leaving no one up whilst defending corners and we allowed Accrington to bring the ball out and at times sprint through our midfield. How many teams have their worst player captaining the side? Whilst I agree about us being slow & predictable I don't see us going down, we have a goalscorer (until Jan at least) which makes a huge difference and a defensive set up which will be good enough to keep enough clean sheets for us to nick low scoring games. As for our worst player being captain, I wouldn't have him as skipper but he's far from our worst player, we all know you don't rate him !!! What you have to remember this is the same poster who was calling for lockyer to be removed not only as captain but from the side.remind me where is lockyer playing regularly now?that should tell you what to think of his remarks observations and bias against home grown players.next year kilgour will be his subject
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2019 7:42:39 GMT
Why can we possibly not get promoted when Teams like burton and Yeovil manage it. And whilst I don’t want to aspire to be these clubs it proves it is possible and I think the way that Some championship clubs have bounced back so easily in the past shows that this league is here to be had. I watched Sunderland v Pompey on the tv the other week and they both looked very average Simple answer mate, would you like us to replicate yeovil and Burton or would you like to see us have longer term goals and ambitions? So what are these goals and ambitions and how do you see the club attaining those on debts approaching 16m.1500 allegedly less season tickets sold and dwindling attendances.on the above figures we are looking at losses of nearer 5m to 3 this season
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2019 7:44:14 GMT
Whilst I appreciate your comments I strongly disagree that 2000 people paying £20 per 2 weeks makes little difference. And like I said before it’s no coincidence that the biggest supported sides are generally in the higher league That's £40k. Per home game. Out of a loss of £3 million, plus interest. It's nothing. It's no surprise at all that the biggest supported clubs are in higher leagues. But apart from Bournemouth, they're all bringing in 40,000 plus every home game and have multi multi billion pound investment. We've just about managed a big screen tv. You call 1m nothing
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2019 7:47:25 GMT
Based on the season so far and the general performances League 2 beckons. We have too many League 2 standard players and with Ogogo and Ollie Clarke together we were never going to dominate the game today. GC's football is dull to watch and so slow and predictable. Even playing against ten players we were leaving no one up whilst defending corners and we allowed Accrington to bring the ball out and at times sprint through our midfield. How many teams have their worst player captaining the side? Same comments as last season from you but then it was lockyer
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2019 7:50:29 GMT
worrelsterlingalbien, Over the matches this season he has been our worst player but you are right I don't rate him as being anything other than an average League 2 player who's main contribution seems to be getting an obligatory booking for an ill timed challenge and then unable to make any challenges which is the main part of his game. Why the Manager doesn't substitute him once he has been booked is beyond me. But that is only your opinion which in the wider context of things means nothing
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2019 7:56:09 GMT
Some people talking about budgets; I wonder what budget Accrington had, but still manged to play us off the park without their two best players and 10 men for most of the 2nd half Better than us for periods of the game definitely but playing us off the park is an exaggeration. Had Nichols or Bennett finished their chances we could have been talking about a win. So what would you call their performance whereby they passed the ball on the ground to players who were moving and then the player passing it didnt stand to admire what he did he moved into a position where he was available to get it back and this happened most of the game.our slick passing and movement comprised of goofing in the air and hoping one of the front players got on the end of it
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Post by mjhgas on Sept 8, 2019 8:01:13 GMT
IMO we won't ever get promoted to the Championship and the Premier League is a million miles away.
The dream that you could do a Wimbledon and race through the leagues has disappeared. FA Cup or League Cup glory has disappeared with the bigger clubs either dominating or not bothering (choosing Premier League survival instead).
Add to that our dream of supporting our club in a new stadium which hasn't materialised in 40 years.
Take away the hope and the dreams of a supporter and you've got a lack of excitement, and people will give up watching.
We simply can't compete in a multi-billion pound sport.
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Sept 8, 2019 8:07:54 GMT
IMO we won't ever get promoted to the Championship and the Premier League is a million miles away. The dream that you could do a Wimbledon and race through the leagues has disappeared. FA Cup or League Cup glory has disappeared with the bigger clubs either dominating or not bothering (choosing Premier League survival instead). Add to that our dream of supporting our club in a new stadium which hasn't materialised in 40 years. Take away the hope and the dreams of a supporter and you've got a lack of excitement, and people will give up watching. We simply can't compete in a multi-billion pound sport. This is why gates are falling - reality has set in ! ☺️
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Sept 8, 2019 8:15:55 GMT
Is it it sad though topper that THAT is the extent of our ambition ? Utg
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Post by teanbiscuits on Sept 8, 2019 8:17:42 GMT
IMO we won't ever get promoted to the Championship and the Premier League is a million miles away. The dream that you could do a Wimbledon and race through the leagues has disappeared. FA Cup or League Cup glory has disappeared with the bigger clubs either dominating or not bothering (choosing Premier League survival instead). Add to that our dream of supporting our club in a new stadium which hasn't materialised in 40 years. Take away the hope and the dreams of a supporter and you've got a lack of excitement, and people will give up watching. We simply can't compete in a multi-billion pound sport. That's what made the non-league season so special I think. We suddenly went from plodding along in obscurity to being the exciting draw everyone was relishing a slice of. We arguably got much better media coverage with regular big write ups and front page exposure in the Non-league paper. BT were showing us live regularly on TV in a way we had never seen before too. Darrell Clarke was getting us noticed in other ways too going viral with his unique personality. Lee Mansell too doing the same by kissing JJ O'Donnell. This sort of exposure is extremely valuable going global around a young audience in a way that the big teams regularly do with ease. We almost had a hint of the big time in our own unique way and now we have drifted back into league obscurity again.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2019 8:19:41 GMT
Better than us for periods of the game definitely but playing us off the park is an exaggeration. Had Nichols or Bennett finished their chances we could have been talking about a win. We should have been talking about a win. They had 2 of their best players out and we struggled to get a point against 10 of them. They played better 10 v 11 and that is not acceptable, especially at home. 6K crowds are creeping in which is down to the negative tactics we now seem to play in every game It's nothing to do with the negative tactics IMO. The last two games in particular have been really entertaining. The abuse and nonsense hurled at GC during the second half epitomises this arogance amongst some that we should be steamrolling over decent teams like Accrington.
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Sept 8, 2019 8:20:57 GMT
Totally agree teanbiscuits . That sums it up perfectly . Utg
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Post by Strange Gas on Sept 8, 2019 8:35:26 GMT
I too think its a much bigger issue than what GC served up on the pitch and comes down to shared hopes and dreams of progressing on and off the pitch.
When we were getting good gates 1st season in L1 we had an owner seemingly willing to invest, a president we felt warm towards as a person, a manager we loved, players we connected with and felt were our heroes, decent results and good to watch football. And massive hope of progress on and off the pitch. I would say all of those things have taken a big backwards step and quite a bit of that happened pre GC. Sure he needs to be key to turning that around but can't do it all himself.
Like others have said, I think yesterday was a pretty entertaining match and so was Oxford (if winning 3-1 isn't good I don't know what is!). I think we are starting to bond with players (JCH and Kilgour both have potential to be our "new" heroes). And we look to be avoiding being seen as early relegation contenders. But this is a big and long rebuilding job for the whole club, not just the job of GC
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2019 8:41:09 GMT
So what are these goals and ambitions and how do you see the club attaining those on debts approaching 16m.1500 allegedly less season tickets sold and dwindling attendances.on the above figures we are looking at losses of nearer 5m to 3 this season But if the owners have already cut £1m from the playing budget as suggested then they allowed for the drop in attendances? As far as OC who was going to replace him yesterday with just Hargreaves on the bench? Although we didn't seem to miss him on Tuesday v Plymouth. Another poster suggested GC needed an experienced Assistant but he's employed Joe Davey who's an ex manager. You do have to wonder if GC ever as any intention of signing any creative midfield players, as he's now had two transfer windows and failed to bring in one, whilst releasing Lines and seemingly content to loose Bennett. With his signings so far are 2 x goalies, 5 x defenders, 1 X DCM 3 x strikers. Plus he also attempted to sign another CB during the summer. I like to know where G1989 gets the suggestion from that if GC's still here next summer he'll be signing creative players. Do you really think the are that forward thinking to envisage a 2k drop in attendances.i thought the new man was Joe Dunne but could be mistaken
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2019 8:45:04 GMT
We should have been talking about a win. They had 2 of their best players out and we struggled to get a point against 10 of them. They played better 10 v 11 and that is not acceptable, especially at home. 6K crowds are creeping in which is down to the negative tactics we now seem to play in every game It's nothing to do with the negative tactics IMO. The last two games in particular have been really entertaining. The abuse and nonsense hurled at GC during the second half epitomises this arogance amongst some that we should be steamrolling over decent teams like Accrington. If you think that our performance yesterday was entertaining I would hate to watch any game you call dross.i watch a lot of games at all levels in all areas of the country and the game rovers are playing is out of context with the majority of games I see even at local level in the bristol area you see teams playing pass and move very few are hump it forward and hope
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Post by WeAreTheGas on Sept 8, 2019 8:47:25 GMT
IMO we won't ever get promoted to the Championship and the Premier League is a million miles away. The dream that you could do a Wimbledon and race through the leagues has disappeared. FA Cup or League Cup glory has disappeared with the bigger clubs either dominating or not bothering (choosing Premier League survival instead). Add to that our dream of supporting our club in a new stadium which hasn't materialised in 40 years. Take away the hope and the dreams of a supporter and you've got a lack of excitement, and people will give up watching. We simply can't compete in a multi-billion pound sport. That's what made the non-league season so special I think. We suddenly went from plodding along in obscurity to being the exciting draw everyone was relishing a slice of. We arguably got much better media coverage with regular big write ups and front page exposure in the Non-league paper. BT were showing us live regularly on TV in a way we had never seen before too. Darrell Clarke was getting us noticed in other ways too going viral with his unique personality. Lee Mansell too doing the same by kissing JJ O'Donnell. This sort of exposure is extremely valuable going global around a young audience in a way that the big teams regularly do with ease. We almost had a hint of the big time in our own unique way and now we have drifted back into league obscurity again. Great post. I enjoyed our season in non-league far more than I have any of our L1 seasons since. I know some Rovers fans view us having been in non-league as an embarrassment etc, but I only look back fondly at that season. The buzz around the club once DC got a bit of momentum going was a far cry from the flat feeling many of us have now.
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Post by bristolsfinestever on Sept 8, 2019 8:48:46 GMT
I too think its a much bigger issue than what GC served up on the pitch and comes down to shared hopes and dreams of progressing on and off the pitch. When we were getting good gates 1st season in L1 we had an owner seemingly willing to invest, a president we felt warm towards as a person, a manager we loved, players we connected with and felt were our heroes, decent results and good to watch football. And massive hope of progress on and off the pitch. I would say all of those things have taken a big backwards step and quite a bit of that happened pre GC. Sure he needs to be key to turning that around but can't do it all himself. Like others have said, I think yesterday was a pretty entertaining match and so was Oxford (if winning 3-1 isn't good I don't know what is!). I think we are starting to bond with players (JCH and Kilgour both have potential to be our "new" heroes). And we look to be avoiding being seen as early relegation contenders. But this is a big and long rebuilding job for the whole club, not just the job of GC This sounds like a pretty balanced post to me.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2019 9:18:20 GMT
We should have been talking about a win. They had 2 of their best players out and we struggled to get a point against 10 of them. They played better 10 v 11 and that is not acceptable, especially at home. 6K crowds are creeping in which is down to the negative tactics we now seem to play in every game It's nothing to do with the negative tactics IMO. The last two games in particular have been really entertaining. The abuse and nonsense hurled at GC during the second half epitomises this arogance amongst some that we should be steamrolling over decent teams like Accrington. I don’t think it’s arrogant to expect us to win at home against an Accrington side missing their two best players and reduced to ten men for virtually the whole second half. I don’t agree with those who feel the need to verbally abuse the manager during a game but given his choice not to adapt his formation/tactics then fan frustration is understandable.
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Post by stevek192 on Sept 8, 2019 9:57:30 GMT
Accrington were only decent against us because we are as predictable as is October following September. A decent side would have put them to the sword within 30 minutes. They were worse than the Accrington side that we beat 5-1 quite a few seasons ago when we had a certain Carayol who tore them to pieces that day- now we have no winger who is capable of beating players and entertaining. JCH will leave at the first opportunity because he will feel let down by the supporting players that GC has failed to sign! Who can blame him?
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Post by Jomo on Sept 8, 2019 9:59:31 GMT
People are fickle and only want to watch regularly when the club is on the crest of a wave. We're currently at our ceiling and so people generally will be less inclined to go.
I am convinced if we were riding high in League 2 right now, we'd have higher attendances. I also think if we'd been in the Championship for several seasons and then had a season of struggle, our attendances would fall dramatically. It's the nature of a fanbase and in fact human nature.
Look at clubs like Birmingham, Reading etc. Traditionally well supported clubs that have basically been treading water for a couple of seasons and despite being at a good level many fans have stopped attending.
Couple this with the fact that it's rather expensive and time consuming to go every week then people will pick and choose, myself included. I'd love to go every week but coupled with working away a lot and needing to spend time with my family when I'm at home, I have to prioritise family over football. My full respect to folk who go to watch the Gas come rain or shine home and away, but fact is not everyone has that luxury.
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