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Post by warehamgas on Sept 8, 2019 20:30:03 GMT
When I got back last night I just couldn’t bother joining in with all this. Really disappointed which is unusual for me. Feel that GC deserved his chance and I’ve been supportive of him and what he’s done. But yesterday I felt that he was shown up for his tactical ignorance and inability to react to what was happening on the pitch. I’ve said he needed to do it but yesterday even a dinosaur like me could see that we weren’t very good against 10 men. Our normal 352 has been ok but he seems so unwilling to change or react to different systems that against a decent team we would have lost that match. Needs to be able to react and yesterday perhaps trying 442 when they went to 10. In the end we threw away 2 points. Didn’t see the Tranmere match against 9 men was it the same? I’m sure the owners have put the brakes on spending but we have brought in 8 players and not one of them was a creative midfielder which we were crying out for yesterday. I will still give GC my support and come up to watch but I hope GC gets together with his two mates and works out some plan B and plan C for the future. After all our managers support is pretty good for this level and I hope they can start showing us what they bring to the club. We move on and I’ll get over Saturdays disappointment but blimey parts of it were poor from a Rovers fan point of view. Had I seen that at Bournemouth as a neutral I’d have thought it was entertaining. I suppose one of the redeeming features of the match was that Accrington didnt look much better. Any success they got was by our failures, not their own successes. I back us to finish higher than them by May. UTG!
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Post by tomylil on Sept 9, 2019 7:56:20 GMT
Regardless what you think about his abilities to get us into the championship or stay in league 1. One thing that can’t be denied is our plummeting attendances that don’t wanna watch his football. The attendance today was the worst league attendance since our non league days. So I’d say graham is on borrowed time we need these fans back GC is getting the best out of a pretty mediocre squad. Frankly I would rather grind out results and stay in League 1 rather than go balls out and then be one of the bigger clubs in the Conference.
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Post by tomylil on Sept 9, 2019 7:58:47 GMT
Can we afford anyone better? HOWEVER, from what I heard today, Lee Johnson may soon be available. When he is sacked in favour of a German manager. And that comes from Sh1!heads. It would appear to me that LJ is going nowhere apart from possibly the Premier League at the end of this season He will choke yet again because he's sh**e but uncle Steve would never sack his pet.
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Post by bluegas on Sept 9, 2019 8:11:51 GMT
It would appear to me that LJ is going nowhere apart from possibly the Premier League at the end of this season He will choke yet again because he's sh**e but uncle Steve would never sack his pet. I understand that the thinking is that he does not have the appearance, charisma, personality, call it what you will, for such a massive club with not just Premiership but European aspirations. Obviously a German is ideal for the latter! Sure, it seems ridiculous, but this is Bristol City after all.
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Post by Fat Albert on Sept 9, 2019 8:12:36 GMT
Love to know what the stats are for teams playing against 10 men?
Some people think it’s a given that you should automatically win when you’ve got an extra player. I could understand if it was doubles tennis!
In my 30+ years of playing and watching rovers I’ve never once thought- they’re down to 10 this’ll be easy. Genuinely don’t think it makes all that much difference.
If GC has a problem setting up against 10, then I would suggest almost every other manager does too.
UTG
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Post by simonj on Sept 9, 2019 9:26:03 GMT
We’ve got an uninspiring squad of players, being managed by an uninspiring manager, who plays uninspiring football, at a club with uninspiring (and want-away) owners. Hard to believe that attendances are plummeting. I am with you relating to the manager. As for uninspiring players I cant quite agree. We have JCH for a start, what a talent and game changer. We do have some decent attacking players but we don't have a manager brave enough to try it out.
If ever there was an opportunity on Saturday to be brave. 50 minutes gone down to 10 men, against a team with a couple of dangerous players only. We huff and puff, then great, we are at last making the change. Clearly bring off Craig, go to a back four, push Rodman wide, push Bennett on the other wing and attack to win the game. Not gung ho, I get that.
Keeping the back 5 and the two defensive midfielders was an effing disgrace. I haven't been a fan of GC, but I'm sorry coming out of that game with just 1 point, and the way it looked like only one winner and it wasn't us; I know we have a guy that is afraid to lose. Not the football to take us anywhere I'm afraid. I am loyal and always call for steady influence careful what you wish for and all that, but for me I've seen enough.
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Post by gashead1981 on Sept 9, 2019 10:18:44 GMT
GC is on a hiding to nothing, he’s obviously not allowed to sign any more players, we all now know, what happens if you speak out against that, ask DC. The board at present, are nothing short of dispiriting fakes. To be strung along like we have as supporters, it’s no surprise that support is dwindling. Yes, the football isn’t great, but I see a team of battlers, with one or two decent players. I’ve certainly seen worse teams in my 40 years of supporting. Agree with some points apart from the board being fakes. DC cost us and still is costing us an absolute fortune and the money he recouped in transfers come nowhere near to covering the losses for players which are on high wages that some are on here. GC has a budget framework which needs to be governed by SCMP and the only way around that is to move out your higher earners or players you don’t want to be able to sign others. We already wrote off a further £3m in losses last year, how much more is acceptable to you? As I wrote the other day, to sign a player on £2k per week, plus signing on fee and agents fee actually costs around £250k per year if no fee is involved. It’s simple maths. We already have some players earning or close to earning £200k per year. You want to see more players etc, then phone up the stay aways and get them to come back to watch to give us a fighting chance of it getting better, staying away waiting for an improvement won’t help! . I know football is a fickle business but that’s the reality of it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2019 10:58:59 GMT
Love to know what the stats are for teams playing against 10 men? Some people think it’s a given that you should automatically win when you’ve got an extra player. I could understand if it was doubles tennis! In my 30+ years of playing and watching rovers I’ve never once thought- they’re down to 10 this’ll be easy. Genuinely don’t think it makes all that much difference. If GC has a problem setting up against 10, then I would suggest almost every other manager does too. UTG What usually happens against 10 men is you dominate the ball but your opponents organise get behind the ball and defend bravely. They also try to catch you on the break. Its difficult to break them down but if you keep the ball like you should and work it wide spreading the play your opponents will tire. Is that how it was?
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Post by wertongas on Sept 9, 2019 11:16:21 GMT
When I met with directors back in the summer , I was told that the owners would continue to back the club providing there was progress, if we hadn't had GC and he hadn't kept us up we could have been in the same position as Bury or Bolton now, so although the performance against Acrrington wasn't brilliant, I would rather have that than watching dreadful nonleague football that some seam to have enjoyed or having no football at all. The goal JCH scored was amazing it would have graced Pele's feet, I think I got my season ticket money back just seeing that goal. Best goal I have seen scored at the Mem. Accrington always seem to beat us at the Mem in recent seasons so although we should have played a bit better and won, I am not disappointed with a drew.
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Post by burnthewitch on Sept 9, 2019 12:23:48 GMT
GC is on a hiding to nothing, he’s obviously not allowed to sign any more players, we all now know, what happens if you speak out against that, ask DC. The board at present, are nothing short of dispiriting fakes. To be strung along like we have as supporters, it’s no surprise that support is dwindling. Yes, the football isn’t great, but I see a team of battlers, with one or two decent players. I’ve certainly seen worse teams in my 40 years of supporting. Agree with some points apart from the board being fakes. DC cost us and still is costing us an absolute fortune and the money he recouped in transfers come nowhere near to covering the losses for players which are on high wages that some are on here. GC has a budget framework which needs to be governed by SCMP and the only way around that is to move out your higher earners or players you don’t want to be able to sign others. We already wrote off a further £3m in losses last year, how much more is acceptable to you? As I wrote the other day, to sign a player on £2k per week, plus signing on fee and agents fee actually costs around £250k per year if no fee is involved. It’s simple maths. We already have some players earning or close to earning £200k per year. You want to see more players etc, then phone up the stay aways and get them to come back to watch to give us a fighting chance of it getting better, staying away waiting for an improvement won’t help! . I know football is a fickle business but that’s the reality of it. Fake news. Did 'we'? You make it sound like Dwane Sports have written off £3mil of the debt that BRFC owes them. Either I've missed something - or that is not true. The accounts indicate that Dwane Sports have used another £3mil of the credit facility. Unless you know different? Please enlighten me.
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Post by wertongas on Sept 9, 2019 13:04:30 GMT
Agree with some points apart from the board being fakes. DC cost us and still is costing us an absolute fortune and the money he recouped in transfers come nowhere near to covering the losses for players which are on high wages that some are on here. GC has a budget framework which needs to be governed by SCMP and the only way around that is to move out your higher earners or players you don’t want to be able to sign others. We already wrote off a further £3m in losses last year, how much more is acceptable to you? As I wrote the other day, to sign a player on £2k per week, plus signing on fee and agents fee actually costs around £250k per year if no fee is involved. It’s simple maths. We already have some players earning or close to earning £200k per year. You want to see more players etc, then phone up the stay aways and get them to come back to watch to give us a fighting chance of it getting better, staying away waiting for an improvement won’t help! . I know football is a fickle business but that’s the reality of it. Fake news. Did 'we'? You make it sound like Dwane Sports have written off £3mil of the debt that BRFC owes them. Either I've missed something - or that is not true. The accounts indicate that Dwane Sports have used another £3mil of the credit facility. Unless you know different? Please enlighten me. Yes debts had risen to 12.9 million at the end of 2018 accounts from what I have been told by the club they have now reached 15million , the club are making cut backs and more income is coming in from advertising and the sale of food/ drink, it is hoped that losses will slow down .
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2019 13:09:11 GMT
GC is on a hiding to nothing, he’s obviously not allowed to sign any more players, we all now know, what happens if you speak out against that, ask DC. The board at present, are nothing short of dispiriting fakes. To be strung along like we have as supporters, it’s no surprise that support is dwindling. Yes, the football isn’t great, but I see a team of battlers, with one or two decent players. I’ve certainly seen worse teams in my 40 years of supporting. Agree with some points apart from the board being fakes. DC cost us and still is costing us an absolute fortune and the money he recouped in transfers come nowhere near to covering the losses for players which are on high wages that some are on here. GC has a budget framework which needs to be governed by SCMP and the only way around that is to move out your higher earners or players you don’t want to be able to sign others. We already wrote off a further £3m in losses last year, how much more is acceptable to you? As I wrote the other day, to sign a player on £2k per week, plus signing on fee and agents fee actually costs around £250k per year if no fee is involved. It’s simple maths. We already have some players earning or close to earning £200k per year. You want to see more players etc, then phone up the stay aways and get them to come back to watch to give us a fighting chance of it getting better, staying away waiting for an improvement won’t help! . I know football is a fickle business but that’s the reality of it. Correct if I am wrong, but I don't think DC (or GC) play any part in contract negotiations which lead to how much a player is paid.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2019 13:29:32 GMT
GC is on a hiding to nothing, he’s obviously not allowed to sign any more players, we all now know, what happens if you speak out against that, ask DC. The board at present, are nothing short of dispiriting fakes. To be strung along like we have as supporters, it’s no surprise that support is dwindling. Yes, the football isn’t great, but I see a team of battlers, with one or two decent players. I’ve certainly seen worse teams in my 40 years of supporting. Agree with some points apart from the board being fakes. DC cost us and still is costing us an absolute fortune and the money he recouped in transfers come nowhere near to covering the losses for players which are on high wages that some are on here. GC has a budget framework which needs to be governed by SCMP and the only way around that is to move out your higher earners or players you don’t want to be able to sign others. We already wrote off a further £3m in losses last year, how much more is acceptable to you? As I wrote the other day, to sign a player on £2k per week, plus signing on fee and agents fee actually costs around £250k per year if no fee is involved. It’s simple maths. We already have some players earning or close to earning £200k per year. You want to see more players etc, then phone up the stay aways and get them to come back to watch to give us a fighting chance of it getting better, staying away waiting for an improvement won’t help! . I know football is a fickle business but that’s the reality of it. Where does your £250k figure come from in respect of a £2k pw player? There might be the odd free agent getting a signing on fee but your figure seems high? Also, what portion do you think is paid to agents and doesn’t fees paid to agents get disclosed each year?
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Post by lpgas on Sept 9, 2019 17:21:48 GMT
Ten Men, well we battled to get a draw with 9 men, but that is a rare thing. The problem we have. Last season we were awful, then Coughlin takes over signs the best strike we have had since the snake left. during the close season he then begins to build a new team, and he starts from the back where most managers do. The problem for Coughlin is that we are left with Clarkes players, and most of them didn't play a lot under Clarke. I would rather have the team we have now than the one we had last season
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Post by rememberhalifax on Sept 9, 2019 17:57:09 GMT
I am afraid I don't quite understand all this, surely the phrase' supporters are staying away because of this ,that ,or the other' is a big contradiction?, I suppose I am considered a rose tinter, but my support for Rovers is unconditional and not dependent on the manager picking my favourites, playing a certain way, or always saying the 'correct thing', yes I have opinions on players and there positions but I am not a professional so I leave it those paid to make the decisions and will support any one entrusted with the task of playing or managing the club I have SUPPORTED for 60 odd years. IMHO the present manager is passionate about Rovers, wears his heart on his sleeve and is trying his guts out to get the best out of the squad he inherited, and improved with his own signing's. There have been encouraging signs this season coupled with a set back or two but there is certainly a net improvement on last season. GC has only been in the job a short while but his record in that time is imo very acceptable yet whatever he does seems to be subject to microscopic analysis. He wins a match or two and gets grudgingly given scant praise, lose and fans(?)are calling for his head! He is new to the top job and will make mistakes , and I think deserves to be cut a bit more slack than he gets at moment. Those who want us to be Barcelona have to realise we aint got the talent to copy them but I do see plenty of effort and commitment and as long as a player gives his all that will do for me, we are what around I/2 way up/down tier3? guess what ? that's about our average standing since I started my love affair with the quarters! So come on Rovers SUPPORTERS, we have a manager who cares ,the makings of a decent team and some promising youngsters coming through ,we are not premier league but we aint Bury ,Bolton, Torquay, Stockport, and the like either ! oops soap box collapsed! Up the Rovers!
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Post by socrates on Sept 9, 2019 18:10:03 GMT
I am afraid I don't quite understand all this, surely the phrase' supporters are staying away because of this ,that ,or the other' is a big contradiction?, I suppose I am considered a rose tinter, but my support for Rovers is unconditional and not dependent on the manager picking my favourites, playing a certain way, or always saying the 'correct thing', yes I have opinions on players and there positions but I am not a professional so I leave it those paid to make the decisions and will support any one entrusted with the task of playing or managing the club I have SUPPORTED for 60 odd years. IMHO the present manager is passionate about Rovers, wears his heart on his sleeve and is trying his guts out to get the best out of the squad he inherited, and improved with his own signing's. There have been encouraging signs this season coupled with a set back or two but there is certainly a net improvement on last season. GC has only been in the job a short while but his record in that time is imo very acceptable yet whatever he does seems to be subject to microscopic analysis. He wins a match or two and gets grudgingly given scant praise, lose and fans(?)are calling for his head! He is new to the top job and will make mistakes , and I think deserves to be cut a bit more slack than he gets at moment. Those who want us to be Barcelona have to realise we aint got the talent to copy them but I do see plenty of effort and commitment and as long as a player gives his all that will do for me, we are what around I/2 way up/down tier3? guess what ? that's about our average standing since I started my love affair with the quarters! So come on Rovers SUPPORTERS, we have a manager who cares ,the makings of a decent team and some promising youngsters coming through ,we are not premier league but we aint Bury ,Bolton, Torquay, Stockport, and the like either ! oops soap box collapsed! Up the Rovers! I agree with all that and so do about 6000 other die hards Rovers supporters. Thing is the other five thousand or so that will turn up for a big cup game or a play off home match want to be entertained. It’s the way of the world.
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Post by singupgas on Sept 9, 2019 19:12:01 GMT
Let's all be honest, if new owners step forward again very soon, attendances will rise again. Whilst there is a feeling that we aren't really going anywhere, team performing averagely, there isn't much to get excited about.
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Post by twertonboy on Sept 9, 2019 19:57:34 GMT
Whoever came in after DC( the man who can do no wrong in some people’s eyes) was in this sh** from short sighted people..
Dc spent a lot of money on bang average league 2 players and signed them up on high wages.
The club hasn’t got the money to do it again so until the deadwood is paid up or sold gc’s hands are tied.
He brought jch for nothing and is now worth 1 million plus and saved us last year from league 2 football,
If GC had a budget or any money then to spend and he didn’t get any wingers then fair enough but he hasn’t spent a penny so far and done ok.
People need to get their head out of their asses and have some realism of what we are and what the current situation is. Another season staying in league one is the goal and that would be a successful season bottom line
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Post by clearblue on Sept 9, 2019 20:04:27 GMT
Whoever came in after DC( the man who can do no wrong in some people’s eyes) was in this sh** from short sighted people.. Dc spent a lot of money on bang average league 2 players and signed them up on high wages. The club hasn’t got the money to do it again so until the deadwood is paid up or sold gc’s hands are tied. He brought jch for nothing and is now worth 1 million plus and saved us last year from league 2 football, If GC had a budget or any money then to spend and he didn’t get any wingers then fair enough but he hasn’t spent a penny so far and done ok. People need to get their head out of their asses and have some realism of what we are and what the current situation is. Another season staying in league one is the goal and that would be a successful season bottom line Oh, ok then !!
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Post by socrates on Sept 9, 2019 20:20:11 GMT
Whoever came in after DC( the man who can do no wrong in some people’s eyes) was in this sh** from short sighted people.. Dc spent a lot of money on bang average league 2 players and signed them up on high wages. The club hasn’t got the money to do it again so until the deadwood is paid up or sold gc’s hands are tied. He brought jch for nothing and is now worth 1 million plus and saved us last year from league 2 football, If GC had a budget or any money then to spend and he didn’t get any wingers then fair enough but he hasn’t spent a penny so far and done ok. People need to get their head out of their asses and have some realism of what we are and what the current situation is. Another season staying in league one is the goal and that would be a successful season bottom line Yeah that’s how I see it. He has done very well, the footballs not good to watch , attendances are falling , but he’s had an ok start to the season , which is pretty unheard of for us these days and I’m confident he’ll keep us up, it could be and has been so much worse. I don’t bother watching his pre match or post match interviews because I find them irritating but I haven’t got to like the bloke he’s not my mate he’s the manager of our club and if he keeps us in league 1 with our board our budget and financial situation then he’s done his job , simple as that.
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