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Post by mehewmagic on Sept 9, 2019 20:54:54 GMT
I think a lot of it actually has to do with the last 18 months of nothing but disappointment off the field combined with a poor DC second half of 17/18 and then the poor season of 18/19. According to the ticket office, we are 1500 season tickets down on last year. If those season ticket holders occasionally bring a partner/family member/friend as well then you can be down as much as 2000 people per game. That’s a huge amount of lost revenue. Spot on. I've said it 200 times. It takes a while to build up a reputation, and a while to lose it. We went up and up, with quirky and interesting football, and then it slowly stagnanted. Home form collapsed, mostly AFTER ST sales had been made so this season has been the one to really take a hit. Managers in the past have literally been sacked for low attendances (Atkins in particular) because it has a huge effect on cash flow. Football clubs only get around 25 chances a year to make significant money, plus all the add ons associated with a match day. Feel a little sorry for GC as most of the ST drop was due happenings in the 9 months before him, plus his style in making us survive.
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Post by mehewmagic on Sept 9, 2019 21:11:12 GMT
Agree with some points apart from the board being fakes. DC cost us and still is costing us an absolute fortune and the money he recouped in transfers come nowhere near to covering the losses for players which are on high wages that some are on here. GC has a budget framework which needs to be governed by SCMP and the only way around that is to move out your higher earners or players you don’t want to be able to sign others. We already wrote off a further £3m in losses last year, how much more is acceptable to you? As I wrote the other day, to sign a player on £2k per week, plus signing on fee and agents fee actually costs around £250k per year if no fee is involved. It’s simple maths. We already have some players earning or close to earning £200k per year. You want to see more players etc, then phone up the stay aways and get them to come back to watch to give us a fighting chance of it getting better, staying away waiting for an improvement won’t help! . I know football is a fickle business but that’s the reality of it. Where does your £250k figure come from in respect of a £2k pw player? There might be the odd free agent getting a signing on fee but your figure seems high? Also, what portion do you think is paid to agents and doesn’t fees paid to agents get disclosed each year? Agent fees are officially reported each year and ours have always been at the low end in this lge.
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Post by Charlton Hayes Gas on Sept 9, 2019 21:28:48 GMT
What’s Brexit?
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Post by warehamgas on Sept 9, 2019 21:40:00 GMT
I don’t know. I don’t think anyone does. 😉 UTG!
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Post by Gassy on Sept 9, 2019 22:51:22 GMT
Sorry which of our players did DC sign on ‘huge wages that are bang average L2 players’ whilst we were in L1?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2019 0:05:11 GMT
Whoever came in after DC( the man who can do no wrong in some people’s eyes) was in this sh** from short sighted people.. Dc spent a lot of money on bang average league 2 players and signed them up on high wages. The club hasn’t got the money to do it again so until the deadwood is paid up or sold gc’s hands are tied. He brought jch for nothing and is now worth 1 million plus and saved us last year from league 2 football, If GC had a budget or any money then to spend and he didn’t get any wingers then fair enough but he hasn’t spent a penny so far and done ok. People need to get their head out of their asses and have some realism of what we are and what the current situation is. Another season staying in league one is the goal and that would be a successful season bottom line I believe there was a fee paid for JCH and it was undisclosed. I'm sure if it was a significant fee we would have heard about it so probably a nominal sum, but still...
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Post by eastville1966 on Sept 10, 2019 7:20:28 GMT
I am afraid I don't quite understand all this, surely the phrase' supporters are staying away because of this ,that ,or the other' is a big contradiction?, I suppose I am considered a rose tinter, but my support for Rovers is unconditional and not dependent on the manager picking my favourites, playing a certain way, or always saying the 'correct thing', yes I have opinions on players and there positions but I am not a professional so I leave it those paid to make the decisions and will support any one entrusted with the task of playing or managing the club I have SUPPORTED for 60 odd years. IMHO the present manager is passionate about Rovers, wears his heart on his sleeve and is trying his guts out to get the best out of the squad he inherited, and improved with his own signing's. There have been encouraging signs this season coupled with a set back or two but there is certainly a net improvement on last season. GC has only been in the job a short while but his record in that time is imo very acceptable yet whatever he does seems to be subject to microscopic analysis. He wins a match or two and gets grudgingly given scant praise, lose and fans(?)are calling for his head! He is new to the top job and will make mistakes , and I think deserves to be cut a bit more slack than he gets at moment. Those who want us to be Barcelona have to realise we aint got the talent to copy them but I do see plenty of effort and commitment and as long as a player gives his all that will do for me, we are what around I/2 way up/down tier3? guess what ? that's about our average standing since I started my love affair with the quarters! So come on Rovers SUPPORTERS, we have a manager who cares ,the makings of a decent team and some promising youngsters coming through ,we are not premier league but we aint Bury ,Bolton, Torquay, Stockport, and the like either ! oops soap box collapsed! Up the Rovers! I like the cut of your jib sir. Spot on.
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Post by Blueside on Sept 10, 2019 7:20:32 GMT
I don’t know. I don’t think anyone does. 😉 UTG! But we could still make a 135 page thread on it! now there's an idea.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2019 7:33:38 GMT
Whoever came in after DC( the man who can do no wrong in some people’s eyes) was in this sh** from short sighted people.. Dc spent a lot of money on bang average league 2 players and signed them up on high wages. The club hasn’t got the money to do it again so until the deadwood is paid up or sold gc’s hands are tied. He brought jch for nothing and is now worth 1 million plus and saved us last year from league 2 football, If GC had a budget or any money then to spend and he didn’t get any wingers then fair enough but he hasn’t spent a penny so far and done ok. People need to get their head out of their asses and have some realism of what we are and what the current situation is. Another season staying in league one is the goal and that would be a successful season bottom line I believe there was a fee paid for JCH and it was undisclosed. I'm sure if it was a significant fee we would have heard about it so probably a nominal sum, but still... I think you are probably right about the fee. I bet there is a large sell on fee for Coventry and all those who slaughtered his signing, another one from TW’s limited address book, Coventry reserve player etc...will then be moaning that the club were stupid to allow a sell on clause when they should have had the foresight to realise that this useless signing was going to set League One alight and be wanted by Championship clubs !!!!!
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Post by simonj on Sept 10, 2019 7:49:40 GMT
Whoever came in after DC( the man who can do no wrong in some people’s eyes) was in this sh** from short sighted people.. Dc spent a lot of money on bang average league 2 players and signed them up on high wages. The club hasn’t got the money to do it again so until the deadwood is paid up or sold gc’s hands are tied. He brought jch for nothing and is now worth 1 million plus and saved us last year from league 2 football, If GC had a budget or any money then to spend and he didn’t get any wingers then fair enough but he hasn’t spent a penny so far and done ok. People need to get their head out of their asses and have some realism of what we are and what the current situation is. Another season staying in league one is the goal and that would be a successful season bottom line He got JCH and he kept us up. I believe DC would have as well btw. He apparently tried to get in several players, but for one reason or another they didn't join. Whether we had others in their place, who knows.
I think my head is out of my ass, and I also think we do have the players that can compete as an average div1 team, that's been shown. He showed zero tactical knowhow or confidence on Saturday, that's obvious to those in attendance. He is new as a manager and will learn. Whether he is learning at the right level is a question I would ask, and I have my answer, which is just an opinion.
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Post by chilly1883 on Sept 10, 2019 8:16:42 GMT
GC is on a hiding to nothing, he’s obviously not allowed to sign any more players, we all now know, what happens if you speak out against that, ask DC. The board at present, are nothing short of dispiriting fakes. To be strung along like we have as supporters, it’s no surprise that support is dwindling. Yes, the football isn’t great, but I see a team of battlers, with one or two decent players. I’ve certainly seen worse teams in my 40 years of supporting. Agree with some points apart from the board being fakes. DC cost us and still is costing us an absolute fortune and the money he recouped in transfers come nowhere near to covering the losses for players which are on high wages that some are on here. GC has a budget framework which needs to be governed by SCMP and the only way around that is to move out your higher earners or players you don’t want to be able to sign others. We already wrote off a further £3m in losses last year, how much more is acceptable to you? As I wrote the other day, to sign a player on £2k per week, plus signing on fee and agents fee actually costs around £250k per year if no fee is involved. It’s simple maths. We already have some players earning or close to earning £200k per year. You want to see more players etc, then phone up the stay aways and get them to come back to watch to give us a fighting chance of it getting better, staying away waiting for an improvement won’t help! . I know football is a fickle business but that’s the reality of it. The signing of players is what it is, my gripe was the sh** we’ve been fed, regarding training and stadium issues, absolute silence for months, even years. That’s why supporters are staying away. I certainly won’t be begging for those to return. I’ve not missed a game yet, but it’s been a hard watch at times, but like I’ve said previously, I think we’ve a team of battlers, they are playing for the shirt.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Sept 10, 2019 16:06:37 GMT
Sorry which of our players did DC sign on ‘huge wages that are bang average L2 players’ whilst we were in L1? Rodman, Payne, Bennet and Nichols have all provided pretty poor value for money in my opinion.
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Post by Gassy on Sept 10, 2019 16:45:19 GMT
Sorry which of our players did DC sign on ‘huge wages that are bang average L2 players’ whilst we were in L1? Rodman, Payne, Bennet and Nichols have all provided pretty poor value for money in my opinion. Sure, but I'm talking about the post of "huge wages that are bang average L2 players" I'd agree with Payne & Nichols, although Payne did end up getting a L1 team... Bennett is clearly a top L2 winger, as he proved at Swindon & Pompey. Rodman I do not believe is 'bang on average L2 player'. Don't forget the 8/11 of Saturdays starting line up were GC's signings. 2 of those were DC's. 1 was Clarke, coming through the youth academy.
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Post by lpgas on Sept 10, 2019 18:19:16 GMT
5,600 or so is. and has been our core support for many years the others are just hangers on and Glory hunters!!
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Post by socrates on Sept 10, 2019 20:54:48 GMT
I’ve come to the conclusion that if we can’t afford to keep GC then we should get the Kosovo manager in and sign their midfielders.
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Post by rememberhalifax on Sept 11, 2019 8:32:39 GMT
I’ve come to the conclusion that if we can’t afford to keep GC then we should get the Kosovo manager in and sign their midfielders. Know what you mean!, thought Kosovo were brilliant last night!5-1 down at half time thanks to a couple of dubious decisions, how can the lino not see Sancho two yards off side when he was right in line! would have been easy to give up but did they hell, showed great spirit and loads of skill, would loved to have seen them get a fourth to make it really interesting!(no I am not a scot!, I was just so impressed with the Kosovo attitude)!good luck to them in the future.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2019 10:30:22 GMT
5,600 or so is. and has been our core support for many years the others are just hangers on and Glory hunters!! Agreed. Personally if GC can keep Us up again this season and stabilise us as a mid table L1 side going forward that will do for me. We won’t be ready for the Championship until we have a new ground and debts are under control. It’s about time people got behind him ...
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Post by romangas on Sept 12, 2019 14:08:59 GMT
...if not GC, then who ? There is a potential DC partII unfolding for GC if he's not careful. Thank God JCH is banging them in. UTG.
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Post by gashead1981 on Sept 12, 2019 15:19:55 GMT
Rodman, Payne, Bennet and Nichols have all provided pretty poor value for money in my opinion. Sure, but I'm talking about the post of "huge wages that are bang average L2 players" I'd agree with Payne & Nichols, although Payne did end up getting a L1 team... Bennett is clearly a top L2 winger, as he proved at Swindon & Pompey. Rodman I do not believe is 'bang on average L2 player'. Don't forget the 8/11 of Saturdays starting line up were GC's signings. 2 of those were DC's. 1 was Clarke, coming through the youth academy. You make a good point. The caveat to that I would add though is that GC has had to invest his budget in improving the big weaknesses that DC allowed to creep in his team through sheer bloody minded loyalty. That has strengthened what I would say is the core of the team and GC is very much making do with what he has. The creative side of the team has been sacrificed at the moment due to the high wages of players in other areas that are either not performing or not good enough for this league. Imagine having 2 very good wingers with JCH up top...if he would play them..?!
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Post by oldgas on Sept 12, 2019 21:22:40 GMT
This of course begs the question:- Who the hell are we going to replace GC with, and what manager would be prepared to come here with the obvious budget restrictions?
GC deserves more of a chance than people seem willing to give him. The only available replacement would have to be a novice, or one of the many journey men lower league managers who go round on the managerial carousel, stopping off at various clubs for a couple of years before getting fired and moving on.
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