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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2019 11:32:58 GMT
Not a big fan of the women's game. I think the BBC are trying to "big it up" into something which it isn't, (because they've lost most other sports coverage). Hopefully, in the true spirit of equality, they will look at giving similar coverage to other minority sports.
I will follow the Gas Girls results, and I'm sure that they will build up a following as they progress.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2019 11:37:46 GMT
And tell me what the admission price was at the Etihad? I'm also interested to know what the average attendance was last season in the WSL? Read yesterday on BBC that is was just under 900 avg last season. Which suggests the week-to-week interest isn't there...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2019 11:40:01 GMT
Backing my point up with numbers, nothing odd about that. 26.5m watched the 2018 Men's World Cup Semi-Final vs Croatia. 11.7m watched the 2019 Women's Semi-Final vs The US. 11.3m watched the 2019 Champions League Final. 9.6m watched the 2019 Men's Wimbledon Final. 8.3m watched the 2019 Cricket World Cup Final. 2.8m watched the 2019 British Grand Prix.
The Women's World Cup Semi Final was the most watched TV event of 2019 thus far.
Owed to the fact the Champions League Final wasn't on terrestrial of course...
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Sept 9, 2019 11:40:14 GMT
Backing my point up with numbers, nothing odd about that. 26.5m watched the 2018 Men's World Cup Semi-Final vs Croatia. 11.7m watched the 2019 Women's Semi-Final vs The US. 11.3m watched the 2019 Champions League Final. 9.6m watched the 2019 Men's Wimbledon Final. 8.3m watched the 2019 Cricket World Cup Final. 2.8m watched the 2019 British Grand Prix.
The Women's World Cup Semi Final was the most watched TV event of 2019 thus far.
1 match. A world cup which will be every 4 years is hardly comparable to weekly football matches. The average attendance in the WSL last season was under 900 fans. As for the cricket and Wimbledon and British Grand Prix being less, well they cancelled each other out.
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Post by Icegas on Sept 9, 2019 11:42:37 GMT
Looking at a fixture last season as an example. Man City vs Liverpool was 1500 fans. That Manchester derby is a one off example at the start of the women's season. Let's be honest That match is as much about the 2 club's badges as women's football and the fact there was no premier league action. Gassy came back to me about my prawnnsandwich comment and I expected that because I can't prove or equate how real the support it. But those numbers say it all to me and a lot of it is day trippers. Women's football will probably evolve more and more over the years and I'm sure it will have its followers. Just please don't ram it down our throats like the BBC are trying to at the moment. You don't have to watch or click on it, in fact you're going out of your way to do so.
Very odd.
Its not about going out of your way to watch it as it now everywhere you look on TV even if you wanna watch a normal prem match highlights,or read online etc... Ladies football is being rammed down our throats.My biggest gripe is the female pundits on match of the day and Sky.Having the odd one a few times a season as a novelty Im ok with.But now there is some presence on most football TV shows and its all feels very false and very cringy.
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Post by tommym9 on Sept 9, 2019 12:17:25 GMT
31,000 watched Man City womens on Saturday while only 6500 watched us. Is it really unfair that they got more coverage? I don't buy this 'PC brigade stuffing it down our throats' nonsense. If you don't like women's football then scroll on. Don't even get me started on women pundits. If you can make a case of Lawrenson being a better pundit than Alex Scott then you're a genius. So a man thats been in TV broadcasting for years,has won the league title and old european cup with Liverpool shouldn't be on tv instead of a decent looking bird with only experience in the female game.Makes sense..😒😞😳 GGMI has made the point well. Pundits should be appointed on their talent as a pundit not entirely on what they've achieved in the game. Dare I mention Micheal Owen....
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Post by Gassy on Sept 9, 2019 12:56:51 GMT
Backing my point up with numbers, nothing odd about that. 26.5m watched the 2018 Men's World Cup Semi-Final vs Croatia. 11.7m watched the 2019 Women's Semi-Final vs The US. 11.3m watched the 2019 Champions League Final. 9.6m watched the 2019 Men's Wimbledon Final. 8.3m watched the 2019 Cricket World Cup Final. 2.8m watched the 2019 British Grand Prix.
The Women's World Cup Semi Final was the most watched TV event of 2019 thus far.
I bet the same people wouldn't question if Rugby League was the top for that day. In fact, I'd hazard a guess that NFL, Basketball, Golf or Athletics wouldn't be questioned either. Men's tennis is a faster & stronger game, yet people don't seem to complain when we hear about the women's final.. But as GGMI is saying, he is allowed to question the amount of coverage, but does anyone consider this questioning the coverage: " Also how real is most of the support in women's football at the minute? A lot of it is prawn sandwich supporters who fancy a day out." Seems to me that people just have an issue with women's football. Its like some primal instinct of protecting 'their' men's game of something. I always enjoy the sentence "I'm up for equality, but.." - the but removes the sentence before let's be honest. It's how people justify that they're ok with something, but in reality they're not.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Sept 9, 2019 13:07:35 GMT
26.5m watched the 2018 Men's World Cup Semi-Final vs Croatia. 11.7m watched the 2019 Women's Semi-Final vs The US. 11.3m watched the 2019 Champions League Final. 9.6m watched the 2019 Men's Wimbledon Final. 8.3m watched the 2019 Cricket World Cup Final. 2.8m watched the 2019 British Grand Prix.
The Women's World Cup Semi Final was the most watched TV event of 2019 thus far.
I bet the same people wouldn't question if Rugby League was the top for that day. In fact, I'd hazard a guess that NFL, Basketball, Golf or Athletics wouldn't be questioned either. Men's tennis is a faster & stronger game, yet people don't seem to complain when we hear about the women's final.. But as GGMI is saying, he is allowed to question the amount of coverage, but does anyone consider this questioning the coverage: " Also how real is most of the support in women's football at the minute? A lot of it is prawn sandwich supporters who fancy a day out." Seems to me that people just have an issue with women's football. Its like some primal instinct of protecting 'their' men's game of something. I always enjoy the sentence "I'm up for equality, but.." - the but removes the sentence before let's be honest. It's how people justify that they're ok with something, but in reality they're not. My quote is fair enough. You had over 30000 on Saturday yet only 1500 for Man City v Liverpool women's next season. That is a massive difference. It's also a good opportunity for people to watch a competitive game at the Etihad for very cheap. I've no problem with the women's game and think it is great it is becoming more popular. I just think there is more to it than that with the BBC's in particular promotion of it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2019 13:22:12 GMT
26.5m watched the 2018 Men's World Cup Semi-Final vs Croatia. 11.7m watched the 2019 Women's Semi-Final vs The US. 11.3m watched the 2019 Champions League Final. 9.6m watched the 2019 Men's Wimbledon Final. 8.3m watched the 2019 Cricket World Cup Final. 2.8m watched the 2019 British Grand Prix.
The Women's World Cup Semi Final was the most watched TV event of 2019 thus far.
I bet the same people wouldn't question if Rugby League was the top for that day. In fact, I'd hazard a guess that NFL, Basketball, Golf or Athletics wouldn't be questioned either. Men's tennis is a faster & stronger game, yet people don't seem to complain when we hear about the women's final.. But as GGMI is saying, he is allowed to question the amount of coverage, but does anyone consider this questioning the coverage: " Also how real is most of the support in women's football at the minute? A lot of it is prawn sandwich supporters who fancy a day out." Seems to me that people just have an issue with women's football. Its like some primal instinct of protecting 'their' men's game of something. I always enjoy the sentence "I'm up for equality, but.." - the but removes the sentence before let's be honest. It's how people justify that they're ok with something, but in reality they're not. This isn't about equality though Gassy. It's actually quite the opposite in this instance. It's often a term used in a lazy manner which seeks to justify positive discrimination and the selective promotion of a social issue.
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Post by Gassy on Sept 9, 2019 14:05:11 GMT
Well considering most women's sports get shat on in comparison to the mens, don't you think it's a good thing for one weekend (and the first time in history let's not forget) the game got more recognition it deserves?
On top of that, yes the attendances have been low, but that game clearly had a huge demand, they knew it would be a huge crowd - our game did not. So what should BBC do? Ignore where the demand is and instead promote more mens football, because hey we clearly need more of that. You're making it out like it's happening week in week out. Its also not like BBC didn't promote L1 & L2, it was there, in it's usual place.
If they did this for the next 5 years on a constant basis, Id probably say they're pushing it too much, but we've just come out of a very successful World Cup & a game suddenly got a 31,000 crowd - yet you'd rather put it below ours because the attendances of 6,000 is clearly better.
Did people complain when the baseball was the main article on BBC at the London stadium?
If you just want to promote something because its a 'better product' then I don't remember anyone complaining when the FA Cup is on BBC with Paulton Rovers Vs Norwich? Or any FA cup potential upset of that matter? From the 3rd round, shouldn't they just go for only the premier league fixtures from now on? Besides, all the other games will be a poorer product.
I know what you're going to answer for that and yes it's correct, they're thinking of the figures. Which guess what, the women's game had more figures than L1 & L2 therefore they promoted that.
There are many many things I don't like about BBC & other sports channels promoting, I don't care about NFL, Baseball or basketball - but it often gets the top article there. I just scroll past it, if I'm not interested in it then I won't read it. I suggest you do the same.
PS. GGMI, I don't understand what you mean 'to be my quote'
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2019 14:17:36 GMT
Gotta love a pointless debate on here where no one will be shifted from their views.
Much like that Brexit thread.
Guess we just gotta say well done to the gas girls for their first win. Hoping we can all agree with that
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2019 14:26:40 GMT
Well considering most women's sports get shat on in comparison to the mens, don't you think it's a good thing for one weekend ( and the first time in history let's not forget) the game got more recognition it deserves? On top of that, yes the attendances have been low, but that game clearly had a huge demand, they knew it would be a huge crowd - our game did not. So what should BBC do? Ignore where the demand is and instead promote more mens football, because hey we clearly need more of that. You're making it out like it's happening week in week out. Its also not like BBC didn't promote L1 & L2, it was there, in it's usual place. If they did this for the next 5 years on a constant basis, Id probably say they're pushing it too much, but we've just come out of a very successful World Cup & a game suddenly got a 31,000 crowd - yet you'd rather put it below ours because the attendances of 6,000 is clearly better. Did people complain when the baseball was the main article on BBC at the London stadium? If you just want to promote something because its a 'better product' then I don't remember anyone complaining when the FA Cup is on BBC with Paulton Rovers Vs Norwich? Or any FA cup potential upset of that matter? From the 3rd round, shouldn't they just go for only the premier league fixtures from now on? Besides, all the other games will be a poorer product. I know what you're going to answer for that and yes it's correct, they're thinking of the figures. Which guess what, the women's game had more figures than L1 & L2 therefore they promoted that. There are many many things I don't like about BBC & other sports channels promoting, I don't care about NFL, Baseball or basketball - but it often gets the top article there. I just scroll past it, if I'm not interested in it then I won't read it. I suggest you do the same. PS. GGMI, I don't understand what you mean 'to be my quote' We're not talking about one weekend though Gassy, that's the point. We're not talking about one set of games, we're talking about an ongoing push to promote women's football which has been at the expense of lower league football coverage. If you're a regular viewer of BBC Football website you'll see it is happening week in week out. L1 and L2's 'normal place' has been strategically relegated in recent years. Our fixtures, including the Championship, are now listed below WSL fixtures in another subtle yet deliberate attempt to promote coverage. There's an option to view exclusively Women's football news and no such option for Men's football. No prizes for guessing why. We're not talking about other sports here so there's no need to deflect the issue. People are calling out what is a blatant attempt to use football as a vehicle to push a social agenda.
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Post by chewbacca on Sept 9, 2019 14:41:15 GMT
Well considering most women's sports get shat on in comparison to the mens, don't you think it's a good thing for one weekend ( and the first time in history let's not forget) the game got more recognition it deserves? On top of that, yes the attendances have been low, but that game clearly had a huge demand, they knew it would be a huge crowd - our game did not. So what should BBC do? Ignore where the demand is and instead promote more mens football, because hey we clearly need more of that. You're making it out like it's happening week in week out. Its also not like BBC didn't promote L1 & L2, it was there, in it's usual place. If they did this for the next 5 years on a constant basis, Id probably say they're pushing it too much, but we've just come out of a very successful World Cup & a game suddenly got a 31,000 crowd - yet you'd rather put it below ours because the attendances of 6,000 is clearly better. Did people complain when the baseball was the main article on BBC at the London stadium? If you just want to promote something because its a 'better product' then I don't remember anyone complaining when the FA Cup is on BBC with Paulton Rovers Vs Norwich? Or any FA cup potential upset of that matter? From the 3rd round, shouldn't they just go for only the premier league fixtures from now on? Besides, all the other games will be a poorer product. I know what you're going to answer for that and yes it's correct, they're thinking of the figures. Which guess what, the women's game had more figures than L1 & L2 therefore they promoted that. There are many many things I don't like about BBC & other sports channels promoting, I don't care about NFL, Baseball or basketball - but it often gets the top article there. I just scroll past it, if I'm not interested in it then I won't read it. I suggest you do the same. PS. GGMI, I don't understand what you mean 'to be my quote' We're not talking about one weekend though Gassy, that's the point. We're not talking about one set of games, we're talking about an ongoing push to promote women's football which has been at the expense of lower league football coverage. If you're a regular viewer of BBC Football website you'll see it is happening week in week out. L1 and L2's 'normal place' has been strategically relegated in recent years. Our fixtures, including the Championship, are now listed below WSL fixtures in another subtle yet deliberate attempt to promote coverage. There's an option to view exclusively Women's football news and no such option for Men's football. No prizes for guessing why. We're not talking about other sports here so there's no need to deflect the issue. People are calling out what is a blatant attempt to use football as a vehicle to push a social agenda. Maybe it's the fault of you and GGMI?
Maybe the BBC just have a look at forums like this and see 2,688 views and 71 replies but don't check the content of the thread. It's a vicious circle, the more your water is boiled, the more coverage women's football gets.
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Post by Wimborne Gas on Sept 9, 2019 14:42:32 GMT
Not quite the matchday thread I was expecting! Only on Gaschat...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2019 14:44:20 GMT
We're not talking about one weekend though Gassy, that's the point. We're not talking about one set of games, we're talking about an ongoing push to promote women's football which has been at the expense of lower league football coverage. If you're a regular viewer of BBC Football website you'll see it is happening week in week out. L1 and L2's 'normal place' has been strategically relegated in recent years. Our fixtures, including the Championship, are now listed below WSL fixtures in another subtle yet deliberate attempt to promote coverage. There's an option to view exclusively Women's football news and no such option for Men's football. No prizes for guessing why. We're not talking about other sports here so there's no need to deflect the issue. People are calling out what is a blatant attempt to use football as a vehicle to push a social agenda. Maybe it's the fault of you and GGMI?
Maybe the BBC just have a look at forums like this and see 2,688 views and 71 replies but don't check the content of the thread. It's a vicious circle, the more your water is boiled, the more coverage women's football gets.
Indeed. BBC app notification about the Fruit Market incoming...
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Post by chewbacca on Sept 9, 2019 14:45:36 GMT
Maybe it's the fault of you and GGMI?
Maybe the BBC just have a look at forums like this and see 2,688 views and 71 replies but don't check the content of the thread. It's a vicious circle, the more your water is boiled, the more coverage women's football gets.
Indeed. BBC app notification about the Fruit Market incoming... Literally a whole section on fruit
Odd that to go on it I had to accept cookies.
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Post by faggotygas on Sept 9, 2019 15:24:38 GMT
Anyway, about the actual game. Well done to the women for the win, and a good scoreline, especially for their first game. Abbeymead aren't the best team in the League though, and often start the season slowly for some reason, so greater challenges are to come.
Abbeymead also have by far the worst pitch in the division. When Rovers come to my wife's team's home ground (Bristol & West) later in the season, it'll be on a 4g artificial pitch that's only a couple of years old. Whether that'll be an advantage or a disadvantage, we'll see..
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2019 15:49:52 GMT
Anyway, about the actual game. Well done to the women for the win, and a good scoreline, especially for their first game. Abbeymead aren't the best team in the League though, and often start the season slowly for some reason, so greater challenges are to come. Abbeymead also have by far the worst pitch in the division. When Rovers come to my wife's team's home ground (Bristol & West) later in the season, it'll be on a 4g artificial pitch that's only a couple of years old. Whether that'll be an advantage or a disadvantage, we'll see.. Ooooh who will you be supporting?!
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Post by Gassy on Sept 9, 2019 16:16:05 GMT
Well considering most women's sports get shat on in comparison to the mens, don't you think it's a good thing for one weekend ( and the first time in history let's not forget) the game got more recognition it deserves? On top of that, yes the attendances have been low, but that game clearly had a huge demand, they knew it would be a huge crowd - our game did not. So what should BBC do? Ignore where the demand is and instead promote more mens football, because hey we clearly need more of that. You're making it out like it's happening week in week out. Its also not like BBC didn't promote L1 & L2, it was there, in it's usual place. If they did this for the next 5 years on a constant basis, Id probably say they're pushing it too much, but we've just come out of a very successful World Cup & a game suddenly got a 31,000 crowd - yet you'd rather put it below ours because the attendances of 6,000 is clearly better. Did people complain when the baseball was the main article on BBC at the London stadium? If you just want to promote something because its a 'better product' then I don't remember anyone complaining when the FA Cup is on BBC with Paulton Rovers Vs Norwich? Or any FA cup potential upset of that matter? From the 3rd round, shouldn't they just go for only the premier league fixtures from now on? Besides, all the other games will be a poorer product. I know what you're going to answer for that and yes it's correct, they're thinking of the figures. Which guess what, the women's game had more figures than L1 & L2 therefore they promoted that. There are many many things I don't like about BBC & other sports channels promoting, I don't care about NFL, Baseball or basketball - but it often gets the top article there. I just scroll past it, if I'm not interested in it then I won't read it. I suggest you do the same. PS. GGMI, I don't understand what you mean 'to be my quote' We're not talking about one weekend though Gassy, that's the point. We're not talking about one set of games, we're talking about an ongoing push to promote women's football which has been at the expense of lower league football coverage. If you're a regular viewer of BBC Football website you'll see it is happening week in week out. L1 and L2's 'normal place' has been strategically relegated in recent years. Our fixtures, including the Championship, are now listed below WSL fixtures in another subtle yet deliberate attempt to promote coverage. There's an option to view exclusively Women's football news and no such option for Men's football. No prizes for guessing why. We're not talking about other sports here so there's no need to deflect the issue. People are calling out what is a blatant attempt to use football as a vehicle to push a social agenda. But why do you hate it? How is it at the expense of lower league football? We are still getting the exact same amount of coverage, but now the woman's game just gets more. Other than being moved down one space on The BBC Sport list, as has the Championship, how are getting less coverage? What did we have before, that was so much better? Btw, the reason it's been riding a (rightful) high, is straight after the World Cup. Chewbacca rightly posted the viewing figures to back it up. Have you seen that England Vs Germany women has already sold over 60,000 at Wembley? Clearly there is a need for it & people want to read it. Regarding deflection, I'm actually not. It's a valid point as to explaining why something that brings large crowds evidently gets media coverage. These things are pretty basic, not just in sport. Please tell me what is the social agenda? And why is it so bad?
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Sept 9, 2019 16:26:28 GMT
We're not talking about one weekend though Gassy, that's the point. We're not talking about one set of games, we're talking about an ongoing push to promote women's football which has been at the expense of lower league football coverage. If you're a regular viewer of BBC Football website you'll see it is happening week in week out. L1 and L2's 'normal place' has been strategically relegated in recent years. Our fixtures, including the Championship, are now listed below WSL fixtures in another subtle yet deliberate attempt to promote coverage. There's an option to view exclusively Women's football news and no such option for Men's football. No prizes for guessing why. We're not talking about other sports here so there's no need to deflect the issue. People are calling out what is a blatant attempt to use football as a vehicle to push a social agenda. But why do you hate it? How is it at the expense of lower league football? We are still getting the exact same amount of coverage, but now the woman's game just gets more. Other than being moved down one space on The BBC Sport list, as has the Championship, how are getting less coverage? What did we have before, that was so much better? Btw, the reason it's been riding a (rightful) high, is straight after the World Cup. Chewbacca rightly posted the viewing figures to back it up. Have you seen that England Vs Germany women has already sold over 60,000 at Wembley? Clearly there is a need for it & people want to read it. Regarding deflection, I'm actually not. It's a valid point as to explaining why something that brings large crowds evidently gets media coverage. These things are pretty basic, not just in sport. Please tell me what is the social agenda? And why is it so bad? The 2 games being mentioned are outliers not the normal. As has been said the average attendance of WSL was under 900 last season. The world cup game is being compared to 3 events which took place at the same time so is a poor comparison to make. And a women's international semi final match is different and something I would expect to get a little more coverage anyway. I even watched that match but don't watch any other women's football!! There are 2 reasons it is being pushed IMO. 1) is because of the recent debate about genders being treated differently in the same job/sport and making it look like they are being fair to all genders/races etc which usually means that you end up going too far which I currently feel the BBC are doing. 2) is because of the potential money to be made from promoting the sport and capitalising on the tv revenue as a result. It is still a growing market and has potential to be bigger than it is. Hence it getting pushed and pushed in our faces.
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