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Post by hartcliffegas on Oct 20, 2019 13:34:46 GMT
I have always thought that we have excellent away support over the years, especially as we have not exactly set the world alight with trophies in my 53 years of support. Then I got to thinking, is my view of our away support just wishful thinking seen through blue and white tinted glasses.
So a little maths. Yesterday we took 7.6% of our previous home game to Doncaster. I am thinking of applying this to season wide, and then comparing with other clubs big and small. Has this been done anywhere? Would anyone be interested or is this just me being sad in my retirement! Thoughts please!
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Post by glengas on Oct 20, 2019 13:50:54 GMT
I have always thought that we have excellent away support over the years, especially as we have not exactly set the world alight with trophies in my 53 years of support. Then I got to thinking, is my view of our away support just wishful thinking seen through blue and white tinted glasses. So a little maths. Yesterday we took 7.6% of our previous home game to Doncaster. I am thinking of applying this to season wide, and then comparing with other clubs big and small. Has this been done anywhere? Would anyone be interested or is this just me being sad in my retirement! Thoughts please! Sounds a good idea, but I guess you will need to factor in distance as well. |
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Post by hartcliffegas on Oct 20, 2019 14:13:58 GMT
Yep, distance could be factored in. Doncaster is 160 miles where Luton for example is 98 if I were to do the maths on s@@t
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Post by spiess1 on Oct 20, 2019 15:09:03 GMT
League position, and league form, at the time matters too.
Would you go back before playoffs, when there were so many meaningless end-of-seasons games?
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Post by aforce on Oct 20, 2019 15:36:25 GMT
I think gc is starting to believe his own hype here. This is a very weak league one by “league one standards” theres one less team to get relegated, another less to get relegated as Bolton started with minus points and struggling to fill a side. That’s 2 less going for promotion also. Sunderland and Pompey 2 of the “financial stronger” sides are doing poorly. So with all this in mind I don’t think 7th out of 23rd is a minor miracle at all.
That said, we’re doing ok but let’s not try and fool everyone.
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Post by aghast on Oct 20, 2019 17:49:14 GMT
I think we have excellent away support and modest to mediocre home support. And it's always been that way, but I don't know why.
Cue lots of people proving me wrong with selective stats.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2019 18:29:03 GMT
I have always thought that we have excellent away support over the years, especially as we have not exactly set the world alight with trophies in my 53 years of support. Then I got to thinking, is my view of our away support just wishful thinking seen through blue and white tinted glasses. So a little maths. Yesterday we took 7.6% of our previous home game to Doncaster. I am thinking of applying this to season wide, and then comparing with other clubs big and small. Has this been done anywhere? Would anyone be interested or is this just me being sad in my retirement! Thoughts please! How will you factor in clubs that have sold their allocation for an away game and could easily have sold more if unrestricted? |
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Post by Icegas on Oct 20, 2019 19:23:52 GMT
I think we have excellent away support and modest to mediocre home support. And it's always been that way, but I don't know why. Cue lots of people proving me wrong with selective stats. Our home support is that of a unsuccessful L1 club from a major city with alot of potential for growth. Given the lack of investment into our club over the years,as well as the crap Stadiums we have called our home gates should be called solid at the very least and at times good. Clubs like Bournemouth,Swansea, Rotherham, Hull, Reading etc... never got our support when in the old grounds or had investment. |
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Post by Gasshole on Oct 20, 2019 19:50:55 GMT
Maybe a Sudoku or two will help fill your day.
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Post by craggo on Oct 20, 2019 21:45:24 GMT
Our away support is good in numbers and with their vocal support. Some of them even say they prefer away games. I see way more away ones than home due to my location.
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Post by yaz on Oct 29, 2019 2:04:28 GMT
Maybe you should come up with an algorithm that takes in home attendance average, league position, TV coverage, midweek or weekend, distance, maximum away allowed, home capacity achieved eg. Liverpool, etc., weather, etc. So more fans around, etc.
Personally, distance should not come into it if you are a football fan, unless a derby?
Our away support seems great because we make more noise away than at home?
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Post by tomylil on Oct 29, 2019 10:56:27 GMT
I have always thought that we have excellent away support over the years, especially as we have not exactly set the world alight with trophies in my 53 years of support. Then I got to thinking, is my view of our away support just wishful thinking seen through blue and white tinted glasses. So a little maths. Yesterday we took 7.6% of our previous home game to Doncaster. I am thinking of applying this to season wide, and then comparing with other clubs big and small. Has this been done anywhere? Would anyone be interested or is this just me being sad in my retirement! Thoughts please!
Sunderland's away following is tiny compared to their home gates which are even now near 30,000 but they probably sell out their allocation. Pompey likewise but their attendances are way lower because Fratton is much smaller than SoL so the percentage of fans going away is much higher than Sunderland. Plymouth, as sh**e as they are and always have been, and as remote as they are must take more than us away. Our away support isn't all that. Like any other club when we are doing well or have a big day out in the cup of course its way bigger than most L1 clubs but its a myth in my view to say its "excellent" |
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 29, 2019 11:02:11 GMT
That depends or your classification for "excellent" is it just numbers or vocal support?
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Post by chewbacca on Oct 29, 2019 11:05:48 GMT
Away attendances tend to dip when a club visits the same grounds for numerous years. Saturday's trip to Rochdale will be our seventh trip to Spotland in the last decade. It's not a ground that's changed, is overly easy to get to or a particularly attractive away day. People get bored of going to the same places.
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Post by aghast on Oct 29, 2019 11:11:29 GMT
Our away support as a percentage of home gates (a very odd statistic to choose) is only good because our home support is nothing special. In fact home support seems to be on the wane, despite sitting around our historical league position, or considerably better than almost every season in the last 19 years.
I don't think I've ever seen such an old crowd as ours. And I include myself in that. When we get too doddery and frail to go to away games, that support will fall away too.
I'm in a pessimistic mood at the moment.
I think it's because the clocks have gone back!
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Post by chewbacca on Oct 29, 2019 11:24:45 GMT
Our away support as a percentage of home gates (a very odd statistic to choose) is only good because our home support is nothing special. In fact home support seems to be on the wane, despite sitting around our historical league position, or considerably better than almost every season in the last 19 years. I don't think I've ever seen such an old crowd as ours. And I include myself in that. When we get too doddery and frail to go to away games, that support will fall away too. I'm in a pessimistic mood at the moment. I think it's because the clocks have gone back! Rovers average attendance of 8,320 last season was roughly 1.5% of the population (admittedly as per the 2011 census of 535,907). Comparatively Accrington had an average last season of 2,764 which, is roughly 7.8% of the population (2011 census having Accrington's population as 35,456). |
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Post by tomylil on Oct 29, 2019 11:26:05 GMT
Coventry take 6,000 away every other week.
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Post by A Source (aka Angry Badger) on Oct 29, 2019 12:19:03 GMT
Our away support as a percentage of home gates (a very odd statistic to choose) is only good because our home support is nothing special. In fact home support seems to be on the wane, despite sitting around our historical league position, or considerably better than almost every season in the last 19 years. I don't think I've ever seen such an old crowd as ours. And I include myself in that. When we get too doddery and frail to go to away games, that support will fall away too. I'm in a pessimistic mood at the moment. I think it's because the clocks have gone back! Rovers average attendance of 8,320 last season was roughly 1.5% of the population (admittedly as per the 2011 census of 535,907). Comparatively Accrington had an average last season of 2,764 which, is roughly 7.8% of the population (2011 census having Accrington's population as 35,456). So many variables. Accrington probably lose a lot to many bigger &/or plastic teams that are not too far away. Was chatting to a neighbour who goes to Forest Green regularly and despite their upturn in fortunes over the past few years their attendances have not changed much. Probably a core support of 1500 in a town that according to the 2011 census has a population of 5700. They do have a wide catchment area but it's not very populated |
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Post by chewbacca on Oct 29, 2019 12:20:33 GMT
Rovers average attendance of 8,320 last season was roughly 1.5% of the population (admittedly as per the 2011 census of 535,907). Comparatively Accrington had an average last season of 2,764 which, is roughly 7.8% of the population (2011 census having Accrington's population as 35,456). So many variables. Accrington probably lose a lot to many bigger &/or plastic teams that are not too far away. Was chatting to a neighbour who goes to Forest Green regularly and despite their upturn in fortunes over the past few years their attendances have not changed much. Probably a core support of 1500 in a town that according to the 2011 census has a population of 5700. They do have a wide catchment area but it's not very populated FGR also give a shedload of comps to Ecotricity employees. The most sustainable club in the world really isn't very sustainable. |
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Post by bristolsfinestever on Oct 29, 2019 12:46:51 GMT
Not sure this question can ever be truly answered ... so many variables that are in the eye of the beholder.
Whilst positive comments from other clubs about away support may be 'nice'to hear, sometimes I almost feel like it is a backhanded compliment ie "at least you have a good set of fans".
Would much rather have emphasis on the progress of the team and club taking the headlines, against the long suffering but loyal supporters tag ... or as a minimum have them on an equal footing.
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