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Post by markczgas on Oct 21, 2019 12:52:25 GMT
Ollie Clarke is our longest serving player - YES he has been a constant in our last 3 and a bit seasons back in L1, where we have finished 10th, 13th, 15th and currently sit in 7th.
I guess he has played over 30 games for us in each of those 3 seasons and scored many goals and provided plenty of assists. And yet, there's a number of Gasheads on here saying he's not L1 standard or shouldn't be playing !? - SORRY but you guys either know hardly anything about football or need your heads examining !!
He has clearly improved as a player in the last 3 seasons or so.
A definition of a solid/good L1 midfielder is what ?
Someone who can tackle - Yes he can
Someone who can get about the pitch - yes he can
Someone who can pass - Yes he can - not only with his favourite right foot BUT also with his left (something he's developed in the last 3 seasons a lot !)
Someone who can shoot and score - Yes he can - again with both feet !
Someone who has guts and drive to get a team back in a game - Yes he can.
So, those of you who are having a dig at him after coming back after 3 or 4 weeks out LAY OFF and support him ffs ! Ok he hasn't had the best start to the season but there were clear signs his form was picking up when he got injured recently. Sercombe was out so of course Ollie had to play a part - he will take a game or so to get back to match speed. Maybe, he struggled v Donnie ( I don't know I wasn't there) but it sounds like the whole team under-performed. anyway having played that 60 odd minutes on Saturday means he'll be sharper tomorrow night.
So, get behind him tomorrow cos when he hits form - we are going to get back our top L1 midfielder - and all his assists and goals ! UTG !
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Post by baggins on Oct 21, 2019 12:53:48 GMT
Ollie Clarke is our longest serving player - YES he has been a constant in our last 3 and a bit seasons back in L1, where we have finished 10th, 13th, 15th and currently sit in 7th. I guess he has played over 30 games for us in those 3 seasons and scored many goals and provided plenty of assists. And yet, there's a number of Gasheads on here saying he's not L1 standard or shouldn't be playing !? - SORRY but you guys either know hardly anything about football or need your heads examining !! He has clearly improved as a player in the last 3 seasons or so. A definition of a solid/good L1 midfielder is what ? Someone who can tackle - Yes he can Someone who can get about the pitch - yes he can Someone who can pass - Yes he can - not only with his favourite right foot BUT also with his left (something he's developed in the last 3 seasons a lot !) Someone who can shoot and score - Yes he can - again with both feet ! Someone who has guts and drive to get a team back in a game - Yes he can. So, those of you who are having a dig at him after coming back after 3 or 4 weeks out LAY OFF and support him ffs ! Ok he hasn't had the best start to the season but there were clear signs his form was picking up when he got injured recently. Sercombe was out so of course Ollie had to play a part - he will take a game or so to get back to match speed. Maybe, he struggled v Donnie ( I don't know I wasn't there) but it sounds like the whole team under-performed. anyway having played that 60 odd minutes on Saturday means he'll be sharper tomorrow night. So, get behind him tomorrow cos when he hits form - we are going to get back our top L1 midfielder - and all his assists and goals ! UTG ! He'd be in my starting 11 every time. |
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Post by Henbury Gas on Oct 21, 2019 13:03:51 GMT
Ollie Clarke is our longest serving player - YES he has been a constant in our last 3 and a bit seasons back in L1, where we have finished 10th, 13th, 15th and currently sit in 7th. I guess he has played over 30 games for us in those 3 seasons and scored many goals and provided plenty of assists. And yet, there's a number of Gasheads on here saying he's not L1 standard or shouldn't be playing !? - SORRY but you guys either know hardly anything about football or need your heads examining !! He has clearly improved as a player in the last 3 seasons or so. A definition of a solid/good L1 midfielder is what ? Someone who can tackle - Yes he can Someone who can get about the pitch - yes he can Someone who can pass - Yes he can - not only with his favourite right foot BUT also with his left (something he's developed in the last 3 seasons a lot !) Someone who can shoot and score - Yes he can - again with both feet ! Someone who has guts and drive to get a team back in a game - Yes he can. So, those of you who are having a dig at him after coming back after 3 or 4 weeks out LAY OFF and support him ffs ! Ok he hasn't had the best start to the season but there were clear signs his form was picking up when he got injured recently. Sercombe was out so of course Ollie had to play a part - he will take a game or so to get back to match speed. Maybe, he struggled v Donnie ( I don't know I wasn't there) but it sounds like the whole team under-performed. anyway having played that 60 odd minutes on Saturday means he'll be sharper tomorrow night. So, get behind him tomorrow cos when he hits form - we are going to get back our top L1 midfielder - and all his assists and goals ! UTG ! Quality Post sir ! The problem is our Midfield to many go getters and not enough doers.......... |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2019 13:07:42 GMT
The midfield three needs a more technical, more creative, goal threat and with Ogogo and Upson playing so well IMO Clarke should be the one to miss out. Clarke does have spells where he performs very well but equally spells where he is very poor - but he can always be relied upon to give 100%.
I wouldn’t support any slagging off or abuse but I’m very much of the opinion he shouldn’t be in our first choice starting 11. For that reason I wouldn’t have given him the match day captaincy - club captain would have been a more suitable accolade.
It seems these days that fan views get very polarised and bordering on abusive toward those who disagree I hold a different view than the OP but don’t feel the need to criticise others football knowledge or claim to be superior (unless some on Gaschat have extensive experience in the pro game and hold relevant coaching qualifications etc of course!)
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Post by tommym9 on Oct 21, 2019 13:22:01 GMT
Ollie Clarke is our longest serving player - YES he has been a constant in our last 3 and a bit seasons back in L1, where we have finished 10th, 13th, 15th and currently sit in 7th. I guess he has played over 30 games for us in each of those 3 seasons and scored many goals and provided plenty of assists. And yet, there's a number of Gasheads on here saying he's not L1 standard or shouldn't be playing !? - SORRY but you guys either know hardly anything about football or need your heads examining !! He has clearly improved as a player in the last 3 seasons or so. A definition of a solid/good L1 midfielder is what ? Someone who can tackle - Yes he can Someone who can get about the pitch - yes he can Someone who can pass - Yes he can - not only with his favourite right foot BUT also with his left (something he's developed in the last 3 seasons a lot !) Someone who can shoot and score - Yes he can - again with both feet ! Someone who has guts and drive to get a team back in a game - Yes he can.So, those of you who are having a dig at him after coming back after 3 or 4 weeks out LAY OFF and support him ffs ! Ok he hasn't had the best start to the season but there were clear signs his form was picking up when he got injured recently. Sercombe was out so of course Ollie had to play a part - he will take a game or so to get back to match speed. Maybe, he struggled v Donnie ( I don't know I wasn't there) but it sounds like the whole team under-performed. anyway having played that 60 odd minutes on Saturday means he'll be sharper tomorrow night. So, get behind him tomorrow cos when he hits form - we are going to get back our top L1 midfielder - and all his assists and goals ! UTG ! I'd disagree with this point. He too often goes missing in games. When the team is playing well, he plays well. When the team aren't he goes missing. I would also say he is too inconsistent to be a solid/good L1 midfielder. The most damming evidence for him not being at it this season is that we've been better without him in the team. Would you realistically drop Upson, Ogogo or a fit Sercs for him? |
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Post by lastminutewinner on Oct 21, 2019 13:24:51 GMT
O.Clarke's problem is that when he is bad, he is really bad, and it stands out more.
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 21, 2019 13:24:56 GMT
"Maybe, he struggled v Donnie ( I don't know I wasn't there) "
So how can you comment on a players performance if he didn't see it? I watched it and I thought he had a total shocker, either he's not fit or has completely loss his way. It's OK saying getting behind a player w/o seeing his performance but if you did I doubt you'd have the same view point.
As far as team captain, we've two obvious leaders in the team and OC isn't one of them.
I can't understand why GC rushed him back when we've got Hargreaves who could surely fill in for a game or two.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Oct 21, 2019 13:30:33 GMT
"Maybe, he struggled v Donnie ( I don't know I wasn't there) " So how can you comment on a players performance if he didn't see it? I watched it and I thought he had a total shocker, either he's not fit or has completely loss his way. It's OK saying getting behind a player w/o seeing his performance but if you did I doubt you'd have the same view point. As far as team captain, we've two obvious leaders in the team and OC isn't one of them. I can't understand why GC rushed him back when we've got Hargreaves who could surely fill in for a game or two.
I can't see any point in the development team tbh; they make an odd cameo appearance and then disappear from the radar to be replaced by loanees who also aren't played much.
The likes of Hargreaves, Moore and Russe need to be featuring more in the 1st XI at their age, or at least the matchday squad, otherwise Mango and Yate Town beckons like so many other youngsters down the years...
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Post by markczgas on Oct 21, 2019 13:34:52 GMT
"Maybe, he struggled v Donnie ( I don't know I wasn't there) "So how can you comment on a players performance if he didn't see it? I watched it and I thought he had a total shocker, either he's not fit or has completely loss his way. It's OK saying getting behind a player w/o seeing his performance but if you did I doubt you'd have the same view point. As far as team captain, we've two obvious leaders in the team and OC isn't one of them. I can't understand why GC rushed him back when we've got Hargreaves who could surely fill in for a game or two. across the 3 and a bit seasons - that was the point of the thread. |
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Post by markczgas on Oct 21, 2019 13:36:19 GMT
The midfield three needs a more technical, more creative, goal threat and with Ogogo and Upson playing so well IMO Clarke should be the one to miss out. Clarke does have spells where he performs very well but equally spells where he is very poor - but he can always be relied upon to give 100%. I wouldn’t support any slagging off or abuse but I’m very much of the opinion he shouldn’t be in our first choice starting 11. For that reason I wouldn’t have given him the match day captaincy - club captain would have been a more suitable accolade. It seems these days that fan views get very polarised and bordering on abusive toward those who disagree I hold a different view than the OP but don’t feel the need to criticise others football knowledge or claim to be superior (unless some on Gaschat have extensive experience in the pro game and hold relevant coaching qualifications etc of course!) I don't disagree that Ogogo and Upson have played better - they've been brilliant this season. |
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Post by lpgas on Oct 21, 2019 13:39:49 GMT
I just wish to point out that whilst he was out we were unbeaten. He comes back, we lose
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Post by markczgas on Oct 21, 2019 13:40:43 GMT
Ollie Clarke is our longest serving player - YES he has been a constant in our last 3 and a bit seasons back in L1, where we have finished 10th, 13th, 15th and currently sit in 7th. I guess he has played over 30 games for us in each of those 3 seasons and scored many goals and provided plenty of assists. And yet, there's a number of Gasheads on here saying he's not L1 standard or shouldn't be playing !? - SORRY but you guys either know hardly anything about football or need your heads examining !! He has clearly improved as a player in the last 3 seasons or so. A definition of a solid/good L1 midfielder is what ? Someone who can tackle - Yes he can Someone who can get about the pitch - yes he can Someone who can pass - Yes he can - not only with his favourite right foot BUT also with his left (something he's developed in the last 3 seasons a lot !) Someone who can shoot and score - Yes he can - again with both feet ! Someone who has guts and drive to get a team back in a game - Yes he can.So, those of you who are having a dig at him after coming back after 3 or 4 weeks out LAY OFF and support him ffs ! Ok he hasn't had the best start to the season but there were clear signs his form was picking up when he got injured recently. Sercombe was out so of course Ollie had to play a part - he will take a game or so to get back to match speed. Maybe, he struggled v Donnie ( I don't know I wasn't there) but it sounds like the whole team under-performed. anyway having played that 60 odd minutes on Saturday means he'll be sharper tomorrow night. So, get behind him tomorrow cos when he hits form - we are going to get back our top L1 midfielder - and all his assists and goals ! UTG ! I'd disagree with this point. He too often goes missing in games. When the team is playing well, he plays well. When the team aren't he goes missing. I would also say he is too inconsistent to be a solid/good L1 midfielder. The most damming evidence for him not being at it this season is that we've been better without him in the team. Would you realistically drop Upson, Ogogo or a fit Sercs for him?I'd be tempted to play 3 -5 -1 -1 with JCH being out, then you can have Ollie in the team and let Sercs have an advanced role. Don't think were going to get goals from any of Nichols or Vic tbh. |
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Post by tommym9 on Oct 21, 2019 14:09:36 GMT
I'd disagree with this point. He too often goes missing in games. When the team is playing well, he plays well. When the team aren't he goes missing. I would also say he is too inconsistent to be a solid/good L1 midfielder. The most damming evidence for him not being at it this season is that we've been better without him in the team. Would you realistically drop Upson, Ogogo or a fit Sercs for him?I'd be tempted to play 3 -5 -1 -1 with JCH being out, then you can have Ollie in the team and let Sercs have an advanced role. Don't think were going to get goals from any of Nichols or Vic tbh. I like the idea of Sercs in an advanced role. Has been in much better form so far this season. Such a shame he got injured when he did. I'd be very much tempted to drop Ollie for Tomlinson to give our midfield a bit of creativity. 3 defensive midfielders isn't great |
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Post by markczgas on Oct 21, 2019 14:41:52 GMT
I'd be tempted to play 3 -5 -1 -1 with JCH being out, then you can have Ollie in the team and let Sercs have an advanced role. Don't think were going to get goals from any of Nichols or Vic tbh.
I'd be very much tempted to drop Ollie for Tomlinson to give our midfield a bit of creativity. 3 defensive midfielders isn't great He's a quality player. I have never seen Tomlinson play. |
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Post by tommym9 on Oct 21, 2019 15:02:41 GMT
I like the idea of Sercs in an advanced role. Has been in much better form so far this season. Such a shame he got injured when he did.
I'd be very much tempted to drop Ollie for Tomlinson to give our midfield a bit of creativity. 3 defensive midfielders isn't great He's a quality player. I have never seen Tomlinson play. Played a bit in pre season. Raw but has a bit of skill in him. Would rather see dev players get a chance than play first teamers out of position |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2019 15:04:13 GMT
We play 2 dm and 1 am - he’s neither!
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Post by WeAreTheGas on Oct 21, 2019 15:38:54 GMT
My honest opinion of OC is that he’s a bang average box-to-box midfielder at L1 level.
In my eyes he’s OK at everything (I.e tackling, passing, breaking up play, shooting etc.),but not particularly stand-out in any one area.
A great bloke to have in the squad and gives his all in every game, but we can and should be aiming for better quality-wise, IMO.
(Btw, just to add some stats to this opinion, OC has 11 goals and 5 assists in his last 120 L1 games. In other words, he plays a direct part in a goal for us every 7.5 games)
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Post by wilmslowgas on Oct 21, 2019 18:13:47 GMT
The midfield three of Ogogo, Upson and Clarke is unbalanced. All three players are very similar in attributes. All three are essentially defensive midfielders. What is needed is a more balanced midfield comprising 2 from Ogogo, Upson and Clarke. Then add a more creative player such as Sercombe to the 2 defensive players.
It's a matter of opinion as to who are the best defensive midfielders at the club but recent results have indicated they hat both Ogogo and Upson are playing well.
When you look at a line up comprising Ogogo, Upson and Clarke in midfield with Nichols up front and JCH absent one thing is very certain: Rovers won't be scoring many goals!
UTG
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 21, 2019 19:00:03 GMT
The midfield three of Ogogo, Upson and Clarke is unbalanced. All three players are very similar in attributes. All three are essentially defensive midfielders. What is needed is a more balanced midfield comprising 2 from Ogogo, Upson and Clarke. Then add a more creative player such as Sercombe to the 2 defensive players. It's a matter of opinion as to who are the best defensive midfielders at the club but recent results have indicated they hat both Ogogo and Upson are playing well. When you look at a line up comprising Ogogo, Upson and Clarke in midfield with Nichols up front and JCH absent one thing is very certain: Rovers won't be scoring many goals! UTG That's stating the obvious after Saturday problem is with Sercs out who plays in the ACM role, stick with 5 and defenders and bring in Little and use Rodman as the ACM? Or againat struggling Bolton do we need 5 defenders or could we go 4-4-2 with a midfield of Rodman, Ogogo, Upson, Bennett, resting one of the CB's and have Little and Leahy at FB's, |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2019 19:15:40 GMT
The midfield three of Ogogo, Upson and Clarke is unbalanced. All three players are very similar in attributes. All three are essentially defensive midfielders. What is needed is a more balanced midfield comprising 2 from Ogogo, Upson and Clarke. Then add a more creative player such as Sercombe to the 2 defensive players. It's a matter of opinion as to who are the best defensive midfielders at the club but recent results have indicated they hat both Ogogo and Upson are playing well. When you look at a line up comprising Ogogo, Upson and Clarke in midfield with Nichols up front and JCH absent one thing is very certain: Rovers won't be scoring many goals! UTG That's stating the obvious after Saturday problem is with Sercs out who plays in the ACM role, stick with 5 and defenders and bring in Little and use Rodman as the ACM? Or againat struggling Bolton do we need 5 defenders or could we go 4-4-2 with a midfield of Rodman, Ogogo, Upson, Bennett, resting one of the CB's and have Little and Leahy at FB's, How close is Tomlinson to a first start and is he an attacking midfield or wide player? If he is a good prospect then better to play an inexperienced round peg in a round hole than an experienced square peg in a round hole? |
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