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Post by peterparker on Oct 30, 2019 7:44:08 GMT
Now this isn't about Bristol City, more about us.
Of course we should always be aiming for promotion, but at what price and dare I say should be lower some expectations. Football is a rich mans play thing in the top 2 divisions
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Post by gasandelectricity on Oct 30, 2019 7:54:19 GMT
£123 million. Imagine what that would get us.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2019 8:08:19 GMT
Makes the stomach turn doesn't it. As time goes on i am more and more "Meh" regarding football. I will always love Rovers but something needs to change in the game. I am not sure there is even an answer.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Oct 30, 2019 8:16:17 GMT
Makes me feel good that we are a big fish in a small pond and not a minnow in a very large shitpit that the Teds are in
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Post by station on Oct 30, 2019 8:19:00 GMT
That's us Good ole rag bag Rovers
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Post by teanbiscuits on Oct 30, 2019 8:23:11 GMT
Makes the stomach turn doesn't it. As time goes on i am more and more "Meh" regarding football. I will always love Rovers but something needs to change in the game. I am not sure there is even an answer. Unfortunately it will probably take half the Football League to do a Bury before something changes.
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 30, 2019 8:26:38 GMT
I don't understand how clubs can spend up to 200% of their turnover on wages! I guess SCMP/FFP rules are fairly toothless in the Championship.
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Post by chewbacca on Oct 30, 2019 9:32:13 GMT
Pretty pointless comparison, we should be looking at the likes of Rotherham with regards to our aims. I don't expect us to hold our own in the Championship, however it would be nice to have a lovely stadium and dip our toe in.
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Post by tomylil on Oct 30, 2019 10:04:58 GMT
Now this isn't about Bristol City, more about us.
Of course we should always be aiming for promotion, but at what price and dare I say should be lower some expectations. Football is a rich mans play thing in the top 2 divisions
People on their forum gushing about everything is going in the right direction. Fact is, with that twat Johnson at the helm they will choke again and again, the crowds will inevitably reduce, and in essence they are now reliant upon selling players every year for big bucks, plus most importantly the continued backing of Lansdown senior, who I suspect is having his ego massaged enough by the rugby team. Lansdown junior on the other hand seems an immature prick and if and when he gets genuine control I could see him cutting them off from the gravy train if he gets too much grief from the fans. Well run teams at our level can still operate on a shoestring. My personal view is that this season will be our best chance of getting promotion because we don't really need to look down the table for once.What we do if we go up is a different question but we would be more saleable to someone who might invest enough to make us at the very least a Rotherham type yo yo club - I know that doesn't sound much cop but its far better than where we are now.
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Post by Captain Jayho on Oct 30, 2019 10:18:17 GMT
Makes the stomach turn doesn't it. As time goes on i am more and more "Meh" regarding football. I will always love Rovers but something needs to change in the game. I am not sure there is even an answer. Unfortunately it will probably take half the Football League to do a Bury before something changes. Will it change though? I'm pretty sure the demise of the lower leagues is what the top teams want to happen in their ideal world. They can then eventually hoover up the next generation of fans who have no local team to support for themselves.
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Post by gashead1981 on Oct 30, 2019 10:35:12 GMT
Basically what that tells us is that City need to be a selling club every year to the tune of £30-40m to prevent adding to their already huge debt (£40m if memory serves correctly?)
Can you rely on selling a few players every year for that kind of sum? Can you rely on not being relegated/achieving promotion? It’s a high risk strategy which clubs like Bolton and Bury fell foul of. So unless you have a guarantee from a wealthy owner (which city do) then for most clubs below the championship they will never be able to sustainably stay there without doing the same and if a club attempts this strategy to move up a league and it doesn’t pay off, who picks up the debt?
This is why football needs to change.
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Post by chewbacca on Oct 30, 2019 10:38:25 GMT
Unfortunately it will probably take half the Football League to do a Bury before something changes. Will it change though? I'm pretty sure the demise of the lower leagues is what the top teams want to happen in their ideal world. They can then eventually hoover up the next generation of fans who have no local team to support for themselves. Big clubs aren't arsed about clubs like Rovers, realistically we're not taking any money out of clubs like Man City, United, Liverpool etc. They realise the British market is both oversubscribed and pretty unwilling to change. Where Super Clubs make their money is in international markets, even also-rans with Premier League income won't be overly bothered by third and fourth tier clubs. The PL's main worry is other leagues. The DFL set up Bundesliga International in 2017, they're really pushing the boat out in both China and the US (30+ American Nationals are currently playing in the top two tiers). Currently The Championship is the biggest threat to the lower two leagues, there's a clear push from Championship clubs to split away from the EFL to try and negotiate their own TV deals, I wouldn't be overly surprised to see a Premier League 2 within the next decade.
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Post by darkbluegas on Oct 30, 2019 11:02:36 GMT
Makes you realise that the leagues are a pointless competition for us now. We should be concentrating on all the cups. Decent chance of a bonus day against the Big Six Away, getting to the Final of the FL Trophy or in time the FA Vase, There's now absolutely no point in us getting promoted until we have a backer who is prepared to lose money on their investment.
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Post by tomylil on Oct 30, 2019 11:51:52 GMT
Basically what that tells us is that City need to be a selling club every year to the tune of £30-40m to prevent adding to their already huge debt (£40m if memory serves correctly?) Can you rely on selling a few players every year for that kind of sum? Can you rely on not being relegated/achieving promotion? It’s a high risk strategy which clubs like Bolton and Bury fell foul of. So unless you have a guarantee from a wealthy owner (which city do) then for most clubs below the championship they will never be able to sustainably stay there without doing the same and if a club attempts this strategy to move up a league and it doesn’t pay off, who picks up the debt? This is why football needs to change. Thing is, Lansdown has of course poured tens of millions into Bristol sport. Those thick lady gardens don't see that he has had an eye on the long game for years, and will in the next 5 or so get back pretty much every thing he's spunked up because of Ashton Vale, and the development around their stadium. They have struck lucky on some player sales over the past few seasons but will that continue bearing in mind they also do very well at signing high cost lemons ? Very high risk and I suspect the Duke of Guernsey may tire of handing over more millions to underpin his favourite surrogate son and his high cost attempts at playing Football Manager. If Lansdown was serious about the whole thing he wouldn't have a belter like Johnson at the helm, he would buy in the best like he would have at Hargreaves Lansdown. Could all come crashing down, now wouldn't that be a shame..
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2019 12:02:25 GMT
Makes you realise that the leagues are a pointless competition for us now. We should be concentrating on all the cups. Decent chance of a bonus day against the Big Six Away, getting to the Final of the FL Trophy or in time the FA Vase, There's now absolutely no point in us getting promoted until we have a backer who is prepared to lose money on their investment. We still have to stay in the league though. Its very competitive this year especially.
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Oct 30, 2019 12:09:04 GMT
Now this isn't about Bristol City, more about us.
Of course we should always be aiming for promotion, but at what price and dare I say should be lower some expectations. Football is a rich mans play thing in the top 2 divisions
People on their forum gushing about everything is going in the right direction. Fact is, with that twat Johnson at the helm they will choke again and again, the crowds will inevitably reduce, and in essence they are now reliant upon selling players every year for big bucks, plus most importantly the continued backing of Lansdown senior, who I suspect is having his ego massaged enough by the rugby team. Lansdown junior on the other hand seems an immature prick and if and when he gets genuine control I could see him cutting them off from the gravy train if he gets too much grief from the fans. Well run teams at our level can still operate on a shoestring. My personal view is that this season will be our best chance of getting promotion because we don't really need to look down the table for once.What we do if we go up is a different question but we would be more saleable to someone who might invest enough to make us at the very least a Rotherham type yo yo club - I know that doesn't sound much cop but its far better than where we are now. Serious question, do you really think this squad are capable of promotion ?
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Oct 30, 2019 12:10:41 GMT
Unfortunately it will probably take half the Football League to do a Bury before something changes. Will it change though? I'm pretty sure the demise of the lower leagues is what the top teams want to happen in their ideal world. They can then eventually hoover up the next generation of fans who have no local team to support for themselves. Or use them as feeder clubs. It has been mentioned a fair few times that this is what the 82 want to do with us
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Post by lastminutewinner on Oct 30, 2019 12:32:49 GMT
Not that we would stay there long but the Mem would have to be all-seater within 3 years of entering the Championship. That's a lot more tents...
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Post by baggins on Oct 30, 2019 12:37:48 GMT
Pretty pointless comparison, we should be looking at the likes of Rotherham with regards to our aims. I don't expect us to hold our own in the Championship, however it would be nice to have a lovely stadium and dip our toe in. Promotion reward and parachute payment has to be worth a few quid.
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Post by tomylil on Oct 30, 2019 12:38:15 GMT
People on their forum gushing about everything is going in the right direction. Fact is, with that twat Johnson at the helm they will choke again and again, the crowds will inevitably reduce, and in essence they are now reliant upon selling players every year for big bucks, plus most importantly the continued backing of Lansdown senior, who I suspect is having his ego massaged enough by the rugby team. Lansdown junior on the other hand seems an immature prick and if and when he gets genuine control I could see him cutting them off from the gravy train if he gets too much grief from the fans. Well run teams at our level can still operate on a shoestring. My personal view is that this season will be our best chance of getting promotion because we don't really need to look down the table for once.What we do if we go up is a different question but we would be more saleable to someone who might invest enough to make us at the very least a Rotherham type yo yo club - I know that doesn't sound much cop but its far better than where we are now. Serious question, do you really think this squad are capable of promotion ? Head tells me no mate but momentum could happen and for as long as some of the big boys are underperforming we have a chance.
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