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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2014 20:08:08 GMT
Darrell Clarke is a (non-league) Football Genius.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2014 20:11:55 GMT
Darrell Clarke is a (non-league) Football Genius.
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Post by mjhgas on Nov 3, 2014 20:18:05 GMT
If we lose two or three on the trot, DC will feel the full frustration of the fans.
It was nothing short of embarrassing on Saturday to be clinging on for three points against AFC Telford! How long ago was Andy Williams winner at Southampton?
I don't blame DC. Higgs & Co should never be forgiven for allowing us to freefall in to the Conference!!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2014 20:27:39 GMT
Darrell Clarke is a (non-league) Football Genius. Being really really hyperbolic but I think ol' Dizzle is a pretty good fit for a club that has badly needed to properly look at the reality of it's situation. He has his feet firmly on the ground and doesn't underestimate anyone in this league. He's brought in players with serious fighting spirit and I'm confident if he's given at least 3 seasons he'll get us up. Still need another striker mind.
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Post by Wembley_Gas on Nov 3, 2014 21:09:20 GMT
Hmmm I thought appreciation threads were specifically to write something positive about a particular subject to balance out the fact that there are many threads devoted to being negative about the same subject - but apparently not ...it took the first response to knock this on the head!!
We have a team in fourth place that has plenty of room for improvement amongst the players already in the squad and the potential to improve the squad with further additions because DC has not wasted all the budget. I'd sooner that than to have peaked already in terms of performance and have nothing left in the Locker to get any better with all the money spent. That is decent management at this level.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2014 21:12:29 GMT
Hmmm I thought appreciation threads were specifically to write something positive about a particular subject to balance out the fact that there are many threads devoted to being negative about the same subject - but apparently not ...it took the first response to knock this on the head!! We have a team in fourth place that has plenty of room for improvement amongst the players already in the squad and the potential to improve the squad with further additions because DC has not wasted all the budget. I'd sooner that than to have peaked already in terms of performance and have nothing left in the Locker to get any better with all the money spent. That is decent management at this level. Heh heh. Normally, but if you post anything on here you have to expect it to be challenged otherwise what's the point?
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Post by Mark Ash on Nov 3, 2014 21:39:04 GMT
Some very interesting and ambitious views here. Not necessarily too romantic, except that I struggle to believe we (or anyone else) can do a Swansea or a Southampton just by playing better football, from which everything will then follow.
The difference in opinion seems to me - underneath it all - to be based on assumptions of how much money the club has available. I, perhaps wrongly, always assume we are skint. If there is money to buy passing, footballing players then I'm all for it. I remember a few years ago when Southampton took us apart 4-0 at the Mem. Morgan Shneiderlin, lalana and Rickie Lambert were all in their team I now realise. All were at the last World Cup. Pardew got the sack afterwards! Now that's ambition. But it takes dosh, not just a new coach.
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Post by markczgas on Nov 3, 2014 22:03:13 GMT
Some very interesting and ambitious views here. Not necessarily too romantic, except that I struggle to believe we (or anyone else) can do a Swansea or a Southampton just by playing better football, from which everything will then follow. The difference in opinion seems to me - underneath it all - to be based on assumptions of how much money the club has available. I, perhaps wrongly, always assume we are skint. If there is money to buy passing, footballing players then I'm all for it. I remember a few years ago when Southampton took us apart 4-0 at the Mem. Morgan Shneiderlin, lalana and Rickie Lambert were all in their team I now realise. All were at the last World Cup. Pardew got the sack afterwards! Now that's ambition. But it takes dosh, not just a new coach. Good points Mark. We certainly haven't spent our money well (on the whole) for at least 5 years. We've had the odd gem in that time - Smith, Carayol and before that Hoskins but alas we have had far too many duffers and duffer managers too and therefore teams that have not clicked at all! The board has been the same during this time. So yes money does buy success in football but not at Rovers - In league 2 and now we were very big fish but we barely got above half-way in L2 and yes Clarke now has us 4th in The Conf but lets not forget he was unable to keep us up as the Assistant for the whole season and as manager for the last 8 games in L2. our crowds were in the top 3/4 in League 2 all those 3 seasons and now of course we are by far the best supported - usually but not always that does count for something. It will be interesting to see how many players are brought in - my guess - even when Cunny and Martin return will be a massive 3 !!
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Post by markczgas on Nov 3, 2014 22:09:08 GMT
By the way Mark - Exeter city - a club which has many financial difficulties (crowds around 3000) installed a passing game philosophy right through the club from U8s upwards which has helped them to a stable L2 position for quite a few seasons and a lot of admirers around the country (I always enjoyed watching them versus us too). They've also sold a few players for a bit of money too ! An interesting note too - Andy Tillson's son Jordan has now got into their first team squad. he was a scholar at Rovers a few season's ago. Not sure if he has made his first-team debut yet ??
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Post by Mark Ash on Nov 3, 2014 22:17:09 GMT
Yes, good points. I admire Exeter. I'd like to see better quality, but maybe DC knows that slugging it out is our best bet short term.
I wouldn't blame him for those 8 games last season myself. Not his team, and whoever decided to change managers at that point was barking mad.
Still, those are wounds too fresh to pick over. Keep looking forward, eh?
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 3, 2014 22:18:37 GMT
How ironic then that it was Richards goals which helped to keep them us last season at our expense!
I don't give a monkeys whether we play a passing game or not but surely we can have a team which manages a few shots on target against the bottom team in the Conference?
DC's stabilised the ship he now needs to get it heading in the right direction on the pitch.
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Post by markczgas on Nov 3, 2014 22:21:26 GMT
Yes, good points. I admire Exeter. I'd like to see better quality, but maybe DC knows that slugging it out is our best bet short term. I wouldn't blame him for those 8 games last season myself. Not his team, and whoever decided to change managers at that point was barking mad. Still, those are wounds too fresh to pick over. Keep looking forward, eh? Sure thing and no BUTS this time
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Post by aghast on Nov 3, 2014 22:33:05 GMT
Yes, not long ago we were playing Southampton either, what a massive impact the Rickie deal had on both clubs. But how much did their late owner plough in as well £50m or £100m? Perhaps the UWE will lead to similar investment for us but at the moment it's poinltess comparing us to Soton or Swansea, surely Luton's a better example for us to follow? One difference between us and Swansea is that the local council handed them a stadium 9 years ago, very similar in design to the UWE. They didn't own it, but they weren't fleeced for rent. Unlike Coventry City, who were landed with a bill of £1m per annum up to the point they relocated to Northampton and renegotiated.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2014 2:15:46 GMT
sorry he's not for me. yes he has brought grit and a will to win but it is in the 5th league. Go back to his interviews in the summer and pre-season and read what he said about the football he was going to play ( a change from John Ward ) . he hasn't got anywhere near carrying that out and he's gone into his shell (bunker mentality !!). Teams like Woking , FGR play footy how it should be played so it can be done even in L5. Look at what Bournemouth and Swansea are achieving (clubs our size or even smaller) playing football using a style/philosophy which makes you applaud creativity, skill, movement and passing and of course the goals to go with it. did you watch both the games v forest green? i imagine you didnt?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2014 2:21:56 GMT
So you like seeing the left-footed Gosling playing on the right wing and therefore always cutting in into a crowded defence ? and tom lockyer playing right back when we all know he isn't suited there ? Lockyer is there because of Leadbitter's injury and suspension and Gosling ha done well there contributing as many goals for his team as Balotelli i think you will find lockyer has played at right back most games because dc wants him to play there ahead of anyone else and very few opponents have enjoyed playing against him
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2014 2:34:22 GMT
I think we do far too much defending in games, because we cannot keep the football. This is due to the style of football, which is a "John Ward" direct approach. Nobody seems that comfortable on the ball, and kicking it long is the safe option. I just expect a bit more quality, especially as we have the money to buy it, over some of the other teams in this league. I have a feeling that if we do bounce back up at the end of this season, the Board have to be ruthless and employ someone to progress us further, because the present team and set up will see us struggle. DC's body language makes me think he is on borrowed time, regardless of the season's outcome. your probably right,he will get sacked go somewhere else and win things,we will get an old manager with lots of contacts,none of the players will try very hard and we will become a mid table conference side because the board and the fans didnt stand by him when we lost the play off semi final v halifax
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2014 2:38:00 GMT
If we lose two or three on the trot, DC will feel the full frustration of the fans. It was nothing short of embarrassing on Saturday to be clinging on for three points against AFC Telford! How long ago was Andy Williams winner at Southampton? I don't blame DC. Higgs & Co should never be forgiven for allowing us to freefall in to the Conference!! if chelsea win 1-0 at burnley or barcelona win 1-0 at getafe or bristol city win 1-0 at crewe or barnet 1-0 at altrincham they are delighted so what the hell is your problem with 1-0 at telford?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2014 2:45:25 GMT
I agree with you that his striker signings haven't done the business, but I think this is the most difficult area to get right, ask Rogers about Balotelli, 16m and two goals? DC for me has a balanced squad with everyone playing in their right positions, so I think he has done well especially compared to the ideology and lack of discipline of last season. So you like seeing the left-footed Gosling playing on the right wing and therefore always cutting in into a crowded defence ? and tom lockyer playing right back when we all know he isn't suited there ? duh messi and robben play mostly right wing? its known as an inverted winger,its quite common at all levels of the game
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Nov 4, 2014 3:27:37 GMT
All great except your 'built a stadium bit'. Unless you've got £30m hidden under the mattress how are we going to go about that? What do you mean "your" - I'm just stating some facts. If you have different views to me then fair enough, It's almost like those who like DC v those that don't ! Why ? It's talking about Rovers surely !? As am I. The biggest difference atm between us and Swansea is that they got their stadium. There is no chance in hell they would be where they are now without it. We can have a football philosophy. Fair enough. But I'm pretty sure Exeter have one too and it hasn't got them very far.
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Nov 4, 2014 3:33:18 GMT
Some very interesting and ambitious views here. Not necessarily too romantic, except that I struggle to believe we (or anyone else) can do a Swansea or a Southampton just by playing better football, from which everything will then follow. The difference in opinion seems to me - underneath it all - to be based on assumptions of how much money the club has available. I, perhaps wrongly, always assume we are skint. If there is money to buy passing, footballing players then I'm all for it. I remember a few years ago when Southampton took us apart 4-0 at the Mem. Morgan Shneiderlin, lalana and Rickie Lambert were all in their team I now realise. All were at the last World Cup. Pardew got the sack afterwards! Now that's ambition. But it takes dosh, not just a new coach. Exactly this. There is no way we will match any of those sides consistently until we have the revenue streams they do. While we are playing at the ramshackle Mem the best we can hope for imo is mid table L1.
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