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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2019 19:29:23 GMT
Reading the comments on here over the UK Justice System, it occured to me that quite a few cannot distinguish between justice and revenge. A bit of help from Francis Bacon "Revenge is a kind of wild justice, which the more a man's nature runs to, the more ought law to weed it out. In taking revenge, a man is but even with his enemy; but in passing it over, he is superior. This is certain, that a man that studieth revenge keeps his wounds green, which otherwise would heal and do well." Revenge doesn`t come into it, as far as I`m concerned. Why should it? Nobody`s ever done anything seriously bad to me. But, contrary to the assertions that our resident Pollyanna has made, I do believe that harsher conditions in prison, will make certain people think before committing their crimes. I do feel that more time is devoted to the perpetrators of criminal activity, and not enough to their victims. “A few cannot distinguish” - another barbed comment pretty much to say I can see something but you thickos can’t. Can’t help himself! Regardless of any thoughts of revenge - which for victims would probably rank quite highly - I personally take the view that imprisoning someone is the only way to guarantee the safety of the general public. It’s all very nice to give someone a second chance but I’m sick of seeing people released and committing serious crimes again- nice little social experiment for the left but someone experiencing a loss of life, life changing outcome may think differently. How about more accountability for those allowing early release etc? Public naming and shaming or criminal charges for gross misconduct if their well meaning intentions lead to catastrophic consequences? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2019 20:48:35 GMT
Revenge doesn`t come into it, as far as I`m concerned. Why should it? Nobody`s ever done anything seriously bad to me. But, contrary to the assertions that our resident Pollyanna has made, I do believe that harsher conditions in prison, will make certain people think before committing their crimes. I do feel that more time is devoted to the perpetrators of criminal activity, and not enough to their victims. “A few cannot distinguish” - another barbed comment pretty much to say I can see something but you thickos can’t. Can’t help himself! Regardless of any thoughts of revenge - which for victims would probably rank quite highly - I personally take the view that imprisoning someone is the only way to guarantee the safety of the general public. It’s all very nice to give someone a second chance but I’m sick of seeing people released and committing serious crimes again- nice little social experiment for the left but someone experiencing a loss of life, life changing outcome may think differently. How about more accountability for those allowing early release etc? Public naming and shaming or criminal charges for gross misconduct if their well meaning intentions lead to catastrophic consequences? It's easy Eric Beat me to pulp with evidence for your proposition. Easy peasy.. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2019 21:14:32 GMT
Evidence is easy. How many innocent members of the public have been murdered, raped, assaulted or robbed by someone residing at her majesty’s pleasure? Easy none. Fool proof method for ensuring public safety.
Everyday someone is a victim of such crimes perpetrated by someone on license or having ’served’ a pitiful sentence. The judge, parole officer, psychiatrist responsible for such scum being free to commit these crimes get away scot free with no repercussions.
Easy to play social experiments when it’s someone else’s life or well-being at stake. Would there be such a blasé attitude if those responsible for letting people free knew there would be some comeback if their misguided do-gooding went tits up?
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Post by althepirate on Dec 23, 2019 21:48:06 GMT
“A few cannot distinguish” - another barbed comment pretty much to say I can see something but you thickos can’t. Can’t help himself! Regardless of any thoughts of revenge - which for victims would probably rank quite highly - I personally take the view that imprisoning someone is the only way to guarantee the safety of the general public. It’s all very nice to give someone a second chance but I’m sick of seeing people released and committing serious crimes again- nice little social experiment for the left but someone experiencing a loss of life, life changing outcome may think differently. How about more accountability for those allowing early release etc? Public naming and shaming or criminal charges for gross misconduct if their well meaning intentions lead to catastrophic consequences? It's easy Eric Beat me to pulp with evidence for your proposition. Easy peasy.. No evidence for the future Oldie, how many more times. Where is your evidence Ben Garner will do well or badly, hit me with it baby. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2019 22:10:51 GMT
Evidence is easy. How many innocent members of the public have been murdered, raped, assaulted or robbed by someone residing at her majesty’s pleasure? Easy none. Fool proof method for ensuring public safety. Everyday someone is a victim of such crimes perpetrated by someone on license or having ’served’ a pitiful sentence. The judge, parole officer, psychiatrist responsible for such scum being free to commit these crimes get away scot free with no repercussions. Easy to play social experiments when it’s someone else’s life or well-being at stake. Would there be such a blasé attitude if those responsible for letting people free knew there would be some comeback if their misguided do-gooding went tits up? Avon & Somerset Police appear to believe a more subtle approach to crime is required. Take violent knife crime for example To quote "The first meeting took place as national police Operation Sceptre rolled out a series of education workshops in schools across Avon and Somerset. It is widely recognised that a public health approach of education and diversion is desperately needed alongside enforcement in order to solve the problem of serious violence and knife crime on our streets." Link www.avonandsomerset.police.uk/news/2019/09/working-with-partners-to-tackle-the-root-cause-of-serious-violence/ |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2019 22:17:32 GMT
It's easy Eric Beat me to pulp with evidence for your proposition. Easy peasy.. No evidence for the future Oldie, how many more times. Where is your evidence Ben Garner will do well or badly, hit me with it baby. Hit me with it baby??? Jesus, I haven't heard that attempt at pretentious "hip" speak since the late 60s'😱🤣 But of course your analogy is false. I am not suggesting that Mr Garner will be successful, although I bloody hope he is of course. Tis you, amongst the usual crew, who is promoting the idea that more severe sentencing reduces crime, not me. So where's the evidence for that, take our OECD peers if you like as an example, or indeed choose any method you wish to justify your claim. Taps fingers on desk in anticipation... |
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Post by althepirate on Dec 23, 2019 22:28:03 GMT
No evidence for the future Oldie, how many more times. Where is your evidence Ben Garner will do well or badly, hit me with it baby. Hit me with it baby??? Jesus, I haven't heard that attempt at pretentious "hip" speak since the late 60s'😱🤣 But of course your analogy is false. I am not suggesting that Mr Garner will be successful, although I bloody hope he is of course. Tis you, amongst the usual crew, who is promoting the idea that more severe sentencing reduces crime, not me. So where's the evidence for that, take our OECD peers if you like as an example, or indeed choose any method you wish to justify your claim. Taps fingers on desk in anticipation... Hits head on wall trying to find some intellect. Condescending manner has replaced it. I knew you would fall for my last sentence hook line and sinker. Cannot discuss further. The light is on but there is no one in. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Dec 23, 2019 23:22:22 GMT
Not at all. Just looking for the evidence that harsher sentences reduce crime. A pretty straightforward request to those demanding those sentences. Ta. I have no statistics but I do have some experience. I've been to a few prisons in my time including Horfield a number of times and Leyhill too. Horfield is pretty bloody grim. Leyhill was better but it's open and certainly no summer camp. Not as a prisoner by the way. Also been to Eastwood park and Vinney Green - Eastwood park especially is awful. My sister in law was an inmate at Eastwood Park. She learnt her lesson. |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Dec 24, 2019 6:40:06 GMT
Shame.
Didn't even last page 5.
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