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Jul 10, 2020 6:21:03 GMT
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Post by neilv93 on Jul 10, 2020 6:21:03 GMT
I think there's another 0 missing off the end? Covid or not, we're debt-free now and therefore theoretically shouldn't NEED the money. £700k would be an absolute farce and IMO he's worth triple that.
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Jul 10, 2020 8:56:37 GMT
Post by SleepyGas on Jul 10, 2020 8:56:37 GMT
I think there's another 0 missing off the end? Covid or not, we're debt-free now and therefore theoretically shouldn't NEED the money. £700k would be an absolute farce and IMO he's worth triple that. If his contract is up next summer then we would have to weigh up cashing in on him now and using the money to try and replace him... or having him for one last season and letting him go for nothing (or have him for half a season and then let him go for peanuts in January) We'd all like him to sign a new deal - but I can totally understand him holding out for an offer from a top League One or Championship club.
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Jul 10, 2020 8:58:57 GMT
Post by neilv93 on Jul 10, 2020 8:58:57 GMT
I think there's another 0 missing off the end? Covid or not, we're debt-free now and therefore theoretically shouldn't NEED the money. £700k would be an absolute farce and IMO he's worth triple that. If his contract is up next summer then we would have to weigh up cashing in on him now and using the money to try and replace him... or having him for one last season and letting him go for nothing (or have him for half a season and then let him go for peanuts in January) We'd all like him to sign a new deal - but I can totally understand him holding out for an offer from a top League One or Championship club. Realistically, I think we'll take the best offer we can get this summer. I hope he signs a new deal but can't see it - from his perspective he could just play this season and copy Locks into walking into a Championship side for free.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Jul 10, 2020 9:04:53 GMT
I think there's another 0 missing off the end? Covid or not, we're debt-free now and therefore theoretically shouldn't NEED the money. £700k would be an absolute farce and IMO he's worth triple that. If his contract is up next summer then we would have to weigh up cashing in on him now and using the money to try and replace him... or having him for one last season and letting him go for nothing (or have him for half a season and then let him go for peanuts in January) We'd all like him to sign a new deal - but I can totally understand him holding out for an offer from a top League One or Championship club. Yeah, if he doesn't sign a new deal then get rid of him before the season starts, imo. Hanging on to our best players until they leave on a free might feel good in the short term (ie when they're still playing for us) but makes no sense in the long term, and the club should be run for the long term.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 10, 2020 9:13:24 GMT
If his contract is up next summer then we would have to weigh up cashing in on him now and using the money to try and replace him... or having him for one last season and letting him go for nothing (or have him for half a season and then let him go for peanuts in January) We'd all like him to sign a new deal - but I can totally understand him holding out for an offer from a top League One or Championship club. Realistically, I think we'll take the best offer we can get this summer. I hope he signs a new deal but can't see it - from his perspective he could just play this season and copy Locks into walking into a Championship side for free. That's assuming a Championship side will take him, to do that he'll need another 15+ goals this season, not spend half of it out injured again. Locks was quality for years before he left us, JCH hasn't looked the same player since he returned from injury/GC quit.
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Jul 10, 2020 9:15:52 GMT
Post by neilv93 on Jul 10, 2020 9:15:52 GMT
Realistically, I think we'll take the best offer we can get this summer. I hope he signs a new deal but can't see it - from his perspective he could just play this season and copy Locks into walking into a Championship side for free. That's assuming a Championship side will take him, to do that he'll need another 15+ goals this season, not spend half of it out injured again. Locks was quality for years before he left us, JCH hasn't looked the same player since he returned from injury/GC quit. No argument here, think you're spot on. It's no surprise the main teams he's been supposedly linked with so far are Charlton (basically a L1 team again) and Ipswich.
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Post by pirate on Jul 10, 2020 10:18:46 GMT
If we lose JCH that is another potential 15-20 goals lost from the team. The biggest priority this summer had to be adding more goals and attacking threat and that was before a potential JCH departure. An interesting summer awaits and I just hope we can get in the right calibre of player.
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Jul 10, 2020 10:24:07 GMT
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Post by TAGas on Jul 10, 2020 10:24:07 GMT
I would like him to stay, providing only if he signs a contract extension, but like some of you have already said I doubt he's going to do that.
Somehow we always seem to find another good striker so hopefully history repeats itself.
If he is going to go, he has to go NOW while there are still good free agents floating about. I think 700k is a poor valuation especially of that was the same amount as Harrison went for.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Jul 10, 2020 11:17:03 GMT
Clarke-Harris hasn't looked the same since his bestie Coughlan did a runner.
He is almost 26, still young enough to run a presumably already decent contract down and get a chunky signing on fee from someone else.
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Jul 10, 2020 12:12:40 GMT
Post by Topper Gas on Jul 10, 2020 12:12:40 GMT
Clarke-Harris hasn't looked the same since his bestie Coughlan did a runner. He is almost 26, still young enough to run a presumably already decent contract down and get a chunky signing on fee from someone else. Unlike Locks not something he's ever done in the past at previous clubs.
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Jul 10, 2020 13:28:42 GMT
Post by lastminutewinner on Jul 10, 2020 13:28:42 GMT
Clarke-Harris hasn't looked the same since his bestie Coughlan did a runner. He is almost 26, still young enough to run a presumably already decent contract down and get a chunky signing on fee from someone else. Unlike Locks not something he's ever done in the past at previous clubs.
He hasn't really consistently scored goals at other clubs though
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Jul 11, 2020 6:17:49 GMT
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Jul 11, 2020 6:21:50 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2020 6:21:50 GMT
I think that under the current climate 700k will be the best we can hope for. Under normal circumstances I’d want double that but football is knackered financially apart from the big league.
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Jul 11, 2020 6:25:36 GMT
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Post by pirate on Jul 11, 2020 6:25:36 GMT
£700k and we will have had our pants pulled down. Again.
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Jul 11, 2020 6:33:17 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2020 6:33:17 GMT
£700k and we will have had our pants pulled down. Again. Not in the current climate though, can you see many teams splashing out big cash in the championship? Certainly not the types of teams who’d be interested in JCH anyway.
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Post by pirate on Jul 11, 2020 6:42:35 GMT
£700k and we will have had our pants pulled down. Again. Not in the current climate though, can you see many teams splashing out big cash in the championship? Certainly not the types of teams who’d be interested in JCH anyway. I can certainly see Championships clubs spending more than £700k on players. Newly promoted Coventry have just spent £1.3m on a defensive midfielder. He is worth more to us than £700k and if the clubs want the player they would have to cough up a more realistic fee.
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Jul 11, 2020 7:10:03 GMT
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Post by kingswoodpirate70 on Jul 11, 2020 7:10:03 GMT
Surely clubs cant go out spending loads of money on players after being on furlough. The public might want the money back
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Jul 11, 2020 7:55:56 GMT
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Post by pucklechurchgas on Jul 11, 2020 7:55:56 GMT
It wouldn’t be summer without us selling our best player for far less than he’s worth!
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 11, 2020 8:09:36 GMT
Surely clubs cant go out spending loads of money on players after being on furlough. The public might want the money back Good point, I assume Coventry have got all their players Furloughed but have just spent £1.3m on a player, something isn't right on that score.
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Post by Wembley_Gas on Jul 11, 2020 8:15:41 GMT
I think we can be pragmatic and constructive in our discussions with JCH. First of all we tell him we will conclude contract extension talks only after the window closes, if he is still here he will have a fair idea what other clubs would have paid him in wages terms.
Next we advise him that if a club in any other division or country other than our own lays an offer on the table in this window that matches or exceeds our current valuation of his worth to us then we will allow him to talk to them and he can decide to stay or go. If at the end of the window we are the club that values his services most highly then it’s right that he continue to ply his trade with us and sign an extension on improved terms with us. In the event that he continues his development, remains injury free and thus attracts more attention meeting our valuation in the next or subsequent windows our promise still stands that we allow him to talk to them.
Where clubs in our own division are concerned it is our stated objective to play attractive football with the aim of attaining promotion to the championship, thus we will not entertain weakening our ability to do so by reducing our assets and boosting those of a direct competitor. Whether or not these prospective suitors are historically bigger clubs they are plying their trade at the same standard of competition as ourselves and thus JCH would not be making any upward improvement on the standard of football he would be playing when joining them. However, if they offered more than our valuation of him, then we would allow him to discuss terms as that would mean we could purchase an asset of equivalent value and still have money left over which would be a nett gain on our competitor. If during negotiations with any club in our own division it becomes known that the pay package being offered is above the current level he is on. Then that becomes the basis for negotiation of his contract extension with us that should be completed as soon as the window closes.
Think that would be a way of treating both the club’s and the player’s aspirations fairly.
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