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Post by RD on Jan 9, 2020 11:34:44 GMT
Obviously emotions were high last night (at least my end), so I thought I'd post a thread this morning to clarify. First, I don't want Garner sacked yet - I appreciate he does need longer to prove himself. That said, my worry is that time won't change anything (other than our league position continuing to worsen). When he got the job, he struck me as someone with a very good knowledge of the game who seemed a likeable enough chap. What he didn't strike me as was a manager. He didn't come across particularly authoritative or have much charisma in my opinion. Don't get me wrong, even if that was the case (and I'm aware it's only my opinion anyway) that doesn't mean he couldn't be a good manager. But it was a concern I had, nonetheless. Now don't get me wrong, I realise he came into the club under very different circumstances to just about all of those before him - we were actually having a successful season when he took the reins. You can also argue that we were punching above our weight and that it was inevitable our form would suffer; fair enough points. That said, it's not like we haven't had some very winnable games in his short time in charge; Wimbledon at home should have been three points (we even led at half time!) and Stevenage - who could well be non-league next season - at home last night. Furthermore, whilst it's obviously not an exact science, it's not unusual for new managers to have a "bounce" when they take charge. Garner has certainly not had one of those. He said he didn't want to rock the boat too much too soon, but we look completely unrecognisable from the side GC had put together - we look disjointed and clueless - and that's my biggest fear; had we have been playing well in the games and not getting the results, I'd have been amongst the first to defend him - but we haven't. In fact, in almost every game since he's taken over, we've been outplayed and very fortunate to come away with anything in the few games that we have. From memory we've scored something like one goal from open play in about 5 games?! Atrocious. And last night we didn't have a single shot against a side near the bottom of the league below us - and we were at home! On a positive note his signings seem decent - but who knows how much of that is down to Widdrington? Alarm bells were ringing when we appointed him - why had no-one else given this apparently highly sought-after coach the top gig before? It seemed a huge gamble. Currently I worry it will be an utterly catastrophic one. Garner seems to have very modern ideas that would maybe work well at a top-half Premiership club or one of Europe's elite; but I really do not see any proof that his philosophy will work at a League One club without a proverbial pot to p*ss in. Obviously I only want Rovers to be successful and for that reason I pray I'm eating humble pie in the near future. But I am seriously concerned that Garner's tenure here will only end one way, and that will be before the end of the season and with us sitting much closer to the bottom of the League One table than the top of it. All said and done, I really hope I'm wrong. After all the crap you posted last night you should be relieved from your duties (mod my ass ) F**k me, pot kettle black much.
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Post by yattongas on Jan 9, 2020 11:44:18 GMT
It was a tin pot game in which we put out a scratch side in a cup most of us have boycotted for yrs. Perspective needed here lads.
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Post by chilly1883 on Jan 9, 2020 11:52:53 GMT
It’s like reading posts after DC’s first five games. Get a grip, it’s five Dam games!!
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Post by seanclevedongas on Jan 9, 2020 12:03:18 GMT
We have played 5 games under BG.
Our next 3 games Donny & Rotherham in the league and Coventry in the cup are all tough and tbh I think we will lose all 3, that will mean we would probably have dropped from top 6 to mid table and be out of 2 cups under his stewardship.
What reaction are we going to get on here when/if that happens?
Personally I think we need to give him the benefit of the doubt until the end of Feb at least.
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Post by RD on Jan 9, 2020 12:06:06 GMT
It was a tin pot game in which we put out a scratch side in a cup most of us have boycotted for yrs. Perspective needed here lads. A game I've no doubt he and the players wanted to win - BG to actually win his first ever football match as a manager, the players to get to Wembley. Instead we were played off the park AT HOME, by a club who could be non-league at the end of the season, without managing a SINGLE shot on target. Perspective.
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Post by RD on Jan 9, 2020 12:07:24 GMT
To add, Stevenage have won 2 - YES TWO - league games all season.
Perspective.
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Post by Colyton Gas on Jan 9, 2020 12:09:08 GMT
Perhaps the malaise both on and off the pitch will be addressed by Mr Wael at his weekly updates.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jan 9, 2020 12:10:59 GMT
Obviously emotions were high last night (at least my end), so I thought I'd post a thread this morning to clarify. First, I don't want Garner sacked yet - I appreciate he does need longer to prove himself. That said, my worry is that time won't change anything (other than our league position continuing to worsen). When he got the job, he struck me as someone with a very good knowledge of the game who seemed a likeable enough chap. What he didn't strike me as was a manager. He didn't come across particularly authoritative or have much charisma in my opinion. Don't get me wrong, even if that was the case (and I'm aware it's only my opinion anyway) that doesn't mean he couldn't be a good manager. But it was a concern I had, nonetheless. Now don't get me wrong, I realise he came into the club under very different circumstances to just about all of those before him - we were actually having a successful season when he took the reins. You can also argue that we were punching above our weight and that it was inevitable our form would suffer; fair enough points. That said, it's not like we haven't had some very winnable games in his short time in charge; Wimbledon at home should have been three points (we even led at half time!) and Stevenage - who could well be non-league next season - at home last night. Furthermore, whilst it's obviously not an exact science, it's not unusual for new managers to have a "bounce" when they take charge. Garner has certainly not had one of those. He said he didn't want to rock the boat too much too soon, but we look completely unrecognisable from the side GC had put together - we look disjointed and clueless - and that's my biggest fear; had we have been playing well in the games and not getting the results, I'd have been amongst the first to defend him - but we haven't. In fact, in almost every game since he's taken over, we've been outplayed and very fortunate to come away with anything in the few games that we have. From memory we've scored something like one goal from open play in about 5 games?! Atrocious. And last night we didn't have a single shot against a side near the bottom of the league below us - and we were at home! On a positive note his signings seem decent - but who knows how much of that is down to Widdrington? Alarm bells were ringing when we appointed him - why had no-one else given this apparently highly sought-after coach the top gig before? It seemed a huge gamble. Currently I worry it will be an utterly catastrophic one. Garner seems to have very modern ideas that would maybe work well at a top-half Premiership club or one of Europe's elite; but I really do not see any proof that his philosophy will work at a League One club without a proverbial pot to p*ss in. Obviously I only want Rovers to be successful and for that reason I pray I'm eating humble pie in the near future. But I am seriously concerned that Garner's tenure here will only end one way, and that will be before the end of the season and with us sitting much closer to the bottom of the League One table than the top of it. All said and done, I really hope I'm wrong. After all the crap you posted last night you should be relieved from your duties (mod my ass ) Warning for this post surely?
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Post by Gassy on Jan 9, 2020 12:17:21 GMT
It was a tin pot game in which we put out a scratch side in a cup most of us have boycotted for yrs. Perspective needed here lads. A game I've no doubt he and the players wanted to win - BG to actually win his first ever football match as a manager, the players to get to Wembley. Instead we were played off the park AT HOME, by a club who could be non-league at the end of the season, without managing a SINGLE shot on target. Perspective. The scary part is that we could be as low as 16th after the next 2 league games.
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Post by yattongas on Jan 9, 2020 12:19:30 GMT
It was a tin pot game in which we put out a scratch side in a cup most of us have boycotted for yrs. Perspective needed here lads. A game I've no doubt he and the players wanted to win - BG to actually win his first ever football match as a manager, the players to get to Wembley. Instead we were played off the park AT HOME, by a club who could be non-league at the end of the season, without managing a SINGLE shot on target. Perspective. That’s why he played Bennett Kelly & Victor because he knew how important the game was. 🙄
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2020 12:21:38 GMT
It’s like reading posts after DC’s first five games. Get a grip, it’s five f**king games!! 5 games. 450 minutes of football. We look as clueless in the 450th minute as we did in the 1st. That's the issue, there hasn't even been a slight improvement across those 450 minutes, in fact we are probably worse!
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Post by RD on Jan 9, 2020 12:23:53 GMT
A game I've no doubt he and the players wanted to win - BG to actually win his first ever football match as a manager, the players to get to Wembley. Instead we were played off the park AT HOME, by a club who could be non-league at the end of the season, without managing a SINGLE shot on target. Perspective. That’s why he played Bennett Kelly & Victor because he knew how important the game was. 🙄 Or he just got the selection wrong? Why on earth would he not want to win his first ever game in management?? Just not buying it I'm afraid.
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Jan 9, 2020 12:32:15 GMT
It was a tin pot game in which we put out a scratch side in a cup most of us have boycotted for yrs. Perspective needed here lads. A game I've no doubt he and the players wanted to win - BG to actually win his first ever football match as a manager, the players to get to Wembley. Instead we were played off the park AT HOME, by a club who could be non-league at the end of the season, without managing a SINGLE shot on target. Perspective. Surely perspective dictates that you take other things into consideration than just the last game/performance?
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Post by RD on Jan 9, 2020 12:37:27 GMT
A game I've no doubt he and the players wanted to win - BG to actually win his first ever football match as a manager, the players to get to Wembley. Instead we were played off the park AT HOME, by a club who could be non-league at the end of the season, without managing a SINGLE shot on target. Perspective. Surely perspective dictates that you take other things into consideration than just the last game/performance? It also means you take other things in to consideration other than just blind faith or "he needs more time". As per my OP, I'm not saying he doesn't deserve more time by the way - just that I think it will ultimately prove to be a bad appointment. And also, this isn't purely based on last nights dire performance - it's based on every performance under BG to date, in which we've either been beaten or outplayed.
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Jan 9, 2020 12:39:14 GMT
Surely perspective dictates that you take other things into consideration than just the last game/performance? It also means you take other things in to consideration other than just blind faith or "he needs more time". As per my OP, I'm not saying he doesn't deserve more time by the way - just that I think it will ultimately prove to be a bad appointment. You may be right, but it is insulting to say people are relying on blind faith. There are plenty of factors at play at the moment to explain the current slump.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2020 12:42:07 GMT
It was a tin pot game in which we put out a scratch side in a cup most of us have boycotted for yrs. Perspective needed here lads. The excuses mount up. The injuries,a bad day at the office,coventry are good,the tin pot cup dosnt matter,coughlan was lucky,no point in getting promoted anyway. I have a couple ready just in case Doncaster always beat us and the fa cup is not important.
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Post by baggins on Jan 9, 2020 12:44:39 GMT
Thing is, before this Season started, anyone in their right mind would have taken being 8th, a few points off 4th, game in hand on a few above us just going into New Year and most wouldn't give a crap if we were still in this Trophy or not.
I'm still enjoying it.
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Post by baggins on Jan 9, 2020 12:47:32 GMT
It was a tin pot game in which we put out a scratch side in a cup most of us have boycotted for yrs. Perspective needed here lads. The excuses mount up. The injuries,a bad day at the office,coventry are good,the tin pot cup dosnt matter,coughlan was lucky,no point in getting promoted anyway. I have a couple ready just in case Doncaster always beat us and the fa cup is not important. Well, Coventry are good, they're not 3rd for any other reason, we've got a thin squad so 4 games in 11 days is going to hit us, it IS a tin pot Cup and I for one am glad we're out of it, rather concentrate on Saturday and then enjoy a bit of dreaming for Tuesday.
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Post by poorblue on Jan 9, 2020 12:52:28 GMT
This comment is not about bashing any manager. It's just a comment on "my" perceived observations of the last 3 managers. D Clarke =-
He was a gung ho attack minded manager whose game plan was to score more goals than he let in, regardless of how many he let in.
It worked a treat due to mainly having a prolific striker in M Taylor and B Bodin and latterly Harrison. He won 2 successive promotions with an otherwise moderate squad of players because he got them motivated and playing with great spirit. Next the 3 striker above left and he didn't, couldn't or was unable to replace them. It cost the dressing room it's spirit and along with it DC his job. In the end his post match press releases showed I think stress got to him and he effectively got himself the "sack" by blaming everyone but himself. I think I have read DC has admitted this last sentence recently? Thanks for the memory!
G Coughlan =-
He was a defensive shut up shop minded manager, just what was needed to keep Rovers from being relegated. He motivated the defensive qualities of the team and brought back the team spirit with a never say die attitude. This worked a treat even with only 1 unfit striker in JCH. He left with the team on a high and perhaps if he had stayed and signed a goal scorer may have achieved the unthinkable and at the very least been in the playoff come the end of the season. Not that the squad was strong enough to have survived in the championship without major restructuring. It was fairly obvious to me GC had some personal problems towards the end from his public utterances. His often quoted statement "I'm a fighter not a quitter" rings a bit flat by his quitting, however I presume his personal reasons were an over riding influence on this? As GC would say "Thanks for the memory, Thanks for the memory"
BG=-
to early to tell but I presume from his starting press comments he is a DC type manager and attack minded. The team held firm under temporary management until BG arrived. Team spirit seems to me to have evaporated at the moment and whilst BG states its evolution not revolution in playing style it doesn't seem reflected on the pitch? It doesn't seem to be a DC attack nor and GC defend team at the moment just a BG midfield muddle! Fans seems to be saying its a difficult time for BG to have taken over, Why? I would have thought 98% of managers take over with the team struggling at or near the relegation spots not flying high in the playoff spots. In the meantime I am backing the team the manager and the owners. I really do hope that when BG eventually leaves I will be saying Thanks for the memory
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Post by RD on Jan 9, 2020 12:55:18 GMT
It also means you take other things in to consideration other than just blind faith or "he needs more time". As per my OP, I'm not saying he doesn't deserve more time by the way - just that I think it will ultimately prove to be a bad appointment. You may be right, but it is insulting to say people are relying on blind faith. There are plenty of factors at play at the moment to explain the current slump. Yep - fair point. I think there are several on here who are purely backing him based entirely on the fact he hasn't been in the job that long - and tbf, to an extent that's reasonable, don't get me wrong. I just want to see some kind of proof, very soon, that he's capable of doing a decent job here. At the moment, the only two things I can say are: 1) He hasn't been here very long (but that ultimately has absolutely no direct correlation on whether or not he's up to the task) 2) He talks well... but then I'd rather have someone who can walk the walk (which perhaps it will prove to be that he can) As it stands, I see nothing from Garner to fill me with any confidence and so all I can say is "he needs more time". The point I'm therefore trying to make is that giving him the benefit of the doubt is based largely on blind faith. He has no management record to compare back to; it's not like we can even say "well he made it work with [insert club here] so you never know". So FWIW, I'm not trying to insult people, I'm just saying that - logically IMO - given results have been poor, and he has no track record to look back on, all we can really presumably be pinning our hopes on is that he appears to talk a good game and that he hasn't had that many games to prove himself (but again, that doesn't guarantee he'll actually turn it round) - therefore there definitely appears to be a requirement to have at least some blind faith (as it stands).
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