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Post by Goose on Jan 14, 2020 21:47:34 GMT
So is the current position of the club
Crisis?
With the board in seeming disarray, no communication of any real substance, no real plans for investment and some would say no clue.
Or
Rebuild?
New manager, exciting appointment, whom needs time to bed in and set about his plan on things. Irons in fires re potential takeover (potential being the word and if so who knows when), potential FM (AGAIN POTENTIAL THE WORD)... and League status should be safe this year.
so much potential... But potential has a never ending timescale. Whilst I understand the requirement for NDAs (another buzzword for you bullshit bingoers out there đ ) and how without them plans and deals could be scuppered... WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING TO OR CLUB.
Which side are you?
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Post by toddy1953 on Jan 14, 2020 21:54:15 GMT
Nothing is going to get built.
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Post by Slide away on Jan 14, 2020 22:02:42 GMT
Why do you rebuild when your 3rd / 4th at xmas? For me, the owners have totally let us down through a lack of ambition when replacing GC and that has left us with no real experience in charge of the football side, when there was a massive opportunity to have a go this season.
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Post by gasheadpirate on Jan 14, 2020 22:05:50 GMT
Crisis surely. Everything that could go wrong has been going wrong both on the pitch and behind the scenes. New ground? Training facilities? No chance. Relegation? Real possibility I fear. We canât buy a win, possibly even a drawvat the moment.
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Post by axegas on Jan 14, 2020 22:06:47 GMT
Why do you rebuild when your 3rd / 4th at xmas? For me, the owners have totally let us down through a lack of ambition when replacing GC and that has left us with no real experience in charge of the football side, when there was a massive opportunity to have a go this season. Playing the devils advocate here but theyâve appointed Garner whoâs got a good cv on paper and backed him with signings, is that a lack of ambition really? Ok, it hasnât worked out so far but heâs not exactly had long has he?
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Post by paulpirate on Jan 14, 2020 22:08:56 GMT
Why do you rebuild when your 3rd / 4th at xmas? For me, the owners have totally let us down through a lack of ambition when replacing GC and that has left us with no real experience in charge of the football side, when there was a massive opportunity to have a go this season. Playing the devils advocate here but theyâve appointed Garner whoâs got a good cv on paper and backed him with signings, is that a lack of ambition really? Ok, it hasnât worked out so far but heâs not exactly had long has he? đđťđ
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2020 22:10:06 GMT
Why do you rebuild when your 3rd / 4th at xmas? For me, the owners have totally let us down through a lack of ambition when replacing GC and that has left us with no real experience in charge of the football side, when there was a massive opportunity to have a go this season. Playing the devils advocate here but theyâve appointed Garner whoâs got a good cv on paper and backed him with signings, is that a lack of ambition really? Ok, it hasnât worked out so far but heâs not exactly had long has he? Iâll bet heâs cheap and the signings are cheap. To be fair going for Jones was pretty ambitious but then I could show some ambition by going to my local Ferrari dealership and offering them a pound for their top of the range model... Warnock for 4 months would be a sign of intent that they want to salvage something from the car crash of a Christmas/New Year period.
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Post by Slide away on Jan 14, 2020 22:13:39 GMT
Why do you rebuild when your 3rd / 4th at xmas? For me, the owners have totally let us down through a lack of ambition when replacing GC and that has left us with no real experience in charge of the football side, when there was a massive opportunity to have a go this season. Playing the devils advocate here but theyâve appointed Garner whoâs got a good cv on paper and backed him with signings, is that a lack of ambition really? Ok, it hasnât worked out so far but heâs not exactly had long has he? He's never managed has he?
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Post by Gassy on Jan 14, 2020 22:19:05 GMT
Funny, about 95% of people said it seemed quite an ambitious appointment - but now heâs not performing, itâs a lack of ambition.
I guess that fits with those who didnât like Coughlan is his style of football. I even read âI hated GC and his style of footballâ.
And I guess that fits in line when 95% of people werenât happy with Coughlans appointment in the first place, calling it the cheap option and guess what, a lack of ambition.
Not every appointment gets you promotion ffs - but it doesnât mean a lack of ambition. This place is so fickle at times itâs f*cking embarrassing.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jan 14, 2020 22:20:23 GMT
You know the ridiculous thing in all of this, is somehow we are still only 8 points off top with a game in hand. That really is crazy when you think about it.
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Post by pirate on Jan 14, 2020 22:25:08 GMT
A shambles on the pitch now to go with the shambles off it. No training ground, no new stadium, no hope. Owner is a nice fella though.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2020 22:25:15 GMT
Funny, about 95% of people said it seemed quite an ambitious appointment - but now heâs not performing, itâs a lack of ambition. I guess that fits with those who didnât like Coughlan is his style of football. I even read âI hated GC and his style of footballâ. And I guess that fits in line when 95% of people werenât happy with Coughlans appointment in the first place, calling it the cheap option and guess what, a lack of ambition. Not every appointment gets you promotion ffs - but it doesnât mean a lack of ambition. This place is so fickle at times itâs f*cking embarrassing. Sorry, but no. Itâs never âambitiousâ to hire a man with âgames managed: 0â on his CV- itâs âbraveâ, âcommendableâ, âriskyâ, âdaringâ Etc. But itâs not âambitiousâ. And we can see why, because they come with the least guarantee of anyone that they can do the job. Itâs a massive risk the board have taken which so far could not have failed any more spectacularly. Ambition would have been Nathan Jones, or someone with some track record of getting a team over the line.
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Post by Gassy on Jan 14, 2020 22:33:43 GMT
Funny, about 95% of people said it seemed quite an ambitious appointment - but now heâs not performing, itâs a lack of ambition. I guess that fits with those who didnât like Coughlan is his style of football. I even read âI hated GC and his style of footballâ. And I guess that fits in line when 95% of people werenât happy with Coughlans appointment in the first place, calling it the cheap option and guess what, a lack of ambition. Not every appointment gets you promotion ffs - but it doesnât mean a lack of ambition. This place is so fickle at times itâs f*cking embarrassing. Sorry, but no. Itâs never âambitiousâ to hire a man with âgames managed: 0â on his CV- itâs âbraveâ, âcommendableâ, âriskyâ, âdaringâ Etc. But itâs not âambitiousâ. And we can see why, because they come with the least guarantee of anyone that they can do the job. Itâs a massive risk the board have taken which so far could not have failed any more spectacularly. Ambition would have been Nathan Jones, or someone with some track record of getting a team over the line. I tend to agree, Iâm just going on what people were saying on here. Glad you mentioned Jones though as he was our first choice, but he rejected us... I guess that was then too ambitious?
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Post by Slide away on Jan 14, 2020 22:34:30 GMT
Funny, about 95% of people said it seemed quite an ambitious appointment - but now heâs not performing, itâs a lack of ambition. I guess that fits with those who didnât like Coughlan is his style of football. I even read âI hated GC and his style of footballâ. And I guess that fits in line when 95% of people werenât happy with Coughlans appointment in the first place, calling it the cheap option and guess what, a lack of ambition. Not every appointment gets you promotion ffs - but it doesnât mean a lack of ambition. This place is so fickle at times itâs f*cking embarrassing. I'm assuming that your "95%" doesn't have any real substance? Touching distance of automatic promotion halfway through the season and then giving the job to someone who has never managed before to me shows either a lack of ambition or a serious gamble which I'm not sure why you would take given the potential price for getting it right. The board got lucky with Coughlan and would never I their wildest dreams have thought it would turn out the way it did.
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Post by axegas on Jan 14, 2020 22:36:45 GMT
Funny, about 95% of people said it seemed quite an ambitious appointment - but now heâs not performing, itâs a lack of ambition. I guess that fits with those who didnât like Coughlan is his style of football. I even read âI hated GC and his style of footballâ. And I guess that fits in line when 95% of people werenât happy with Coughlans appointment in the first place, calling it the cheap option and guess what, a lack of ambition. Not every appointment gets you promotion ffs - but it doesnât mean a lack of ambition. This place is so fickle at times itâs f*cking embarrassing. I'm assuming that your "95%" doesn't have any real substance? Touching distance of automatic promotion halfway through the season and then giving the job to someone who has never managed before to me shows either a lack of ambition or a serious gamble which I'm not sure why you would take given the potential price for getting it right. The board got lucky with Coughlan and would never I their wildest dreams have thought it would turn out the way it did. So they got lucky with appointing Coughlan because he did well but are 100% at fault for appointing Garner because he has done badly so far. That is in effect what you are saying.
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Post by socrates on Jan 14, 2020 22:37:56 GMT
Why do you rebuild when your 3rd / 4th at xmas? For me, the owners have totally let us down through a lack of ambition when replacing GC and that has left us with no real experience in charge of the football side, when there was a massive opportunity to have a go this season. Playing the devils advocate here but theyâve appointed Garner whoâs got a good cv on paper and backed him with signings, is that a lack of ambition really? Ok, it hasnât worked out so far but heâs not exactly had long has he? Itâs a rebuild and a crisis
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Post by Charlton Hayes Gas on Jan 14, 2020 22:37:59 GMT
Iâm not too worried.
New style, injury ridden squad, Garner has had to take leave due to personal reasons, nothing to lose this season, not going up or down.
We just gotta have a bit of perspective and appreciate this is gonna take time to implement.
Like the rest of society, football supporters want everything to be handed to them instantly, gotta be patient and get behind the boys.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2020 22:38:06 GMT
Sorry, but no. Itâs never âambitiousâ to hire a man with âgames managed: 0â on his CV- itâs âbraveâ, âcommendableâ, âriskyâ, âdaringâ Etc. But itâs not âambitiousâ. And we can see why, because they come with the least guarantee of anyone that they can do the job. Itâs a massive risk the board have taken which so far could not have failed any more spectacularly. Ambition would have been Nathan Jones, or someone with some track record of getting a team over the line. I tend to agree, Iâm just going on what people were saying on here. Glad you mentioned Jones though as he was our first choice, but he rejected us... I guess that was then too ambitious? Well, like I said earlier- I could offer my local Ferrari dealership ÂŁ1 for their top of the range model. You couldnât fault my ambition! Jones no doubt wants to manage as high as he can. But letâs not forget that he.âs currently on Stoke wages to sit on his ass. If the money we offered was more than what Stoke are paying him he wouldnât give a sh** about fox sh** ridden training grounds. Of course, weâll never pay that so itâs all a non-starter, but the point (imo) stands. Pay âem enough (show enough ambition) and theyâll sign. Warnock should be within our price range if he really thinks he might have to drop into league two. Itâs over to the board. As an aside, imagine if Warnock had opened his trap at Christmas? He could have been Mansfieldâs new manager and Coughlan could still have been here.....
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2020 22:40:17 GMT
Funny, about 95% of people said it seemed quite an ambitious appointment - but now heâs not performing, itâs a lack of ambition. I guess that fits with those who didnât like Coughlan is his style of football. I even read âI hated GC and his style of footballâ. And I guess that fits in line when 95% of people werenât happy with Coughlans appointment in the first place, calling it the cheap option and guess what, a lack of ambition. Not every appointment gets you promotion ffs - but it doesnât mean a lack of ambition. This place is so fickle at times itâs f*cking embarrassing. Sorry, but no. Itâs never âambitiousâ to hire a man with âgames managed: 0â on his CV- itâs âbraveâ, âcommendableâ, âriskyâ, âdaringâ Etc. But itâs not âambitiousâ. And we can see why, because they come with the least guarantee of anyone that they can do the job. Itâs a massive risk the board have taken which so far could not have failed any more spectacularly. Ambition would have been Nathan Jones, or someone with some track record of getting a team over the line. You are aware that Arsenal have just appointed a manager with no previous experience? Man Utd have a manager with no real experience. Fair to say that they are both clubs that are far bigger than Rovers and have far greater expectations.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2020 22:40:55 GMT
I'm assuming that your "95%" doesn't have any real substance? Touching distance of automatic promotion halfway through the season and then giving the job to someone who has never managed before to me shows either a lack of ambition or a serious gamble which I'm not sure why you would take given the potential price for getting it right. The board got lucky with Coughlan and would never I their wildest dreams have thought it would turn out the way it did. So they got lucky with appointing Coughlan because he did well but are 100% at fault for appointing Garner because he has done badly so far. That is in effect what you are saying. Well, with respect you can make more of a case for that than vice versa: They inherited DC. DC leaves so for the first time they have to hire a manager. They give Coughlan the job temporarily. Coughlan goes on a run of extraordinary form thus making it impossible not to give him the job. When Coughlan left this was another chance for them to actually hire a manager after a formal interview process. The guy they actually hired...well...we all know the rest.... So yâsee how easy it is to say they were fortunate that Coughlan took the decision of who to hire away from them...
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