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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2020 16:09:40 GMT
Great. A poll about Wael. happy to please
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jan 16, 2020 16:23:08 GMT
What's the difference between No and Get them out?
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Post by pirate on Jan 16, 2020 16:33:31 GMT
If the poll results are anything to go by the fans deserve all they get which which be the square route of f**k all.
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Post by axegas on Jan 16, 2020 16:35:47 GMT
Do I like Wael as a person? Yes.
Do I think that having the Al Qadi's as owners is disastrous for the football club? No.
Do I think anything is ever going to get done under the Al Qadi's? No.
Would I prefer someone else to come in that communicates with the fans and is a bit more ambitious? In an ideal world yes.
That's kind of where I am at with regards to my opinion on Wael and the ownership. They can't be compared with the Dale's or the Oyston's of this world as they have contributed a bit to the football club and aren't set on taking it on a path that would extremely alienate the fanbase. Neither am I particularly enthused with their ownership though, the lack of communication is shocking, the progress on off the field projects painfully slow and despite promises we still seem to be as tinpot as ever sadly.
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Post by pirate on Jan 16, 2020 16:38:04 GMT
Who needs a training ground and new stadium when you can have Waely's nice smile and selfies with Will Smith and Mesut Ozil to look forward to!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2020 16:41:22 GMT
If the poll results are anything to go by the fans deserve all they get which which be the square route of f**k all. Lack of ambition everywhere you look
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2020 16:45:41 GMT
This poll is a really good way to cause another argument on here 😂 bravo
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2020 16:54:30 GMT
If the poll results are anything to go by the fans deserve all they get which which be the square route of f**k all. What's the alternative though? Clearly a new training ground and stadium would drive us massively forward in many respects but seems a tad unreasonable to expect anyone to plow in millions at their own risk in what's effectively a gamble at securing mid to long term Championship football. We're being funded at the level you would expect a mid L1 team and I can understand why they would be very reluctant to invest more at this point. It's easy for us as supporters to demand this and that but ultimately it's not our capital that's at risk. When you look at the likes of Bury, Macclesfield etc and seemingly the ticking time bomb sat in many lower league clubs, I think it's unfair to be too critical of owners who are signing players and allowing us to compete at this level. The counter argument is that given our losses, the responsible thing would be to hugely cut back and effectively surrender our L1 status in an attempt to make the club sustainable in the short term. I suspect that wouldn't be the most popular move though.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2020 17:02:08 GMT
Trouble is with this poll is you might like Wael as a person and he does seem a nice enough chap but still want him out of the club if the right buyer should come along which I hope is very soon.
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Post by bumble on Jan 16, 2020 17:02:52 GMT
If the poll results are anything to go by the fans deserve all they get which which be the square route of f**k all. What's the alternative though? Clearly a new training ground and stadium would drive us massively forward in many respects but seems a tad unreasonable to expect anyone to plow in millions at their own risk in what's effectively a gamble at securing mid to long term Championship football. We're being funded at the level you would expect a mid L1 team and I can understand why they would be very reluctant to invest more at this point. It's easy for us as supporters to demand this and that but ultimately it's not our capital that's at risk. When you look at the likes of Bury, Macclesfield etc and seemingly the ticking time bomb sat in many lower league clubs, I think it's unfair to be too critical of owners who are signing players and allowing us to compete at this level. The counter argument is that given our losses, the responsible thing would be to hugely cut back and effectively surrender our L1 status in an attempt to make the club sustainable in the short term. I suspect that wouldn't be the most popular move though. Spot on in my opinion.
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Post by pirate on Jan 16, 2020 17:03:16 GMT
If the poll results are anything to go by the fans deserve all they get which which be the square route of f**k all. What's the alternative though? Clearly a new training ground and stadium would drive us massively forward in many respects but seems a tad unreasonable to expect anyone to plow in millions at their own risk in what's effectively a gamble at securing mid to long term Championship football. We're being funded at the level you would expect a mid L1 team and I can understand why they would be very reluctant to invest more at this point. It's easy for us as supporters to demand this and that but ultimately it's not our capital that's at risk. When you look at the likes of Bury, Macclesfield etc and seemingly the ticking time bomb sat in many lower league clubs, I think it's unfair to be too critical of owners who are signing players and allowing us to compete at this level. The counter argument is that given our losses, the responsible thing would be to hugely cut back and effectively surrender our L1 status in an attempt to make the club sustainable in the short term. I suspect that wouldn't be the most popular move though. I suppose the alternative is to stop blocking other potential owners with demands to keep a % of the football club after any takeover and let one of the other 12 or 13 interested parties (that Wael spoke of after his takeover) have a go at delivering what Waely obviously can't. We're going nowhere fast with this narcissistic fantasist at the helm.
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Post by zulugas on Jan 16, 2020 17:11:52 GMT
I have been firmly in the "Lets trust them and they will deliver" camp in the past. Now I am firmly in the "If you ain't going to water get off the pot!" camp. The stalemate isn't doing anyone any good and we will tread water as a club for a very long time.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2020 17:13:36 GMT
For all those who have said No or get out my club I’m really interested to understand what your realistic expectations are and how Wael and Co have not done what the have always said they’d do?
I agree that the communication could be better but us fans don’t have a given right to know absolutely everything about everything that goes on at the club.
Re the training ground and stadium I agree better messaging behind why they haven’t progressed as quickly as we’d like would be useful but sometimes we have to take things at face value and accept reasons given. I do accept there are many things they can’t or won’t say due to commercial sensitivity or legal/non disclosure reasons...
These reasons don’t make me think they should go - I’m not sure who else would underwrite c£3.5m losses per annum on an ongoing basis and the charge on the Mem is just standard secured loan practice and is only a problem if they call it in - the debt they owe to themselves....
They’ve always said they wouldn’t just gift money to the club and we should be as self sustaining as possible so I’m not sure why anyone thinks they’d suddenly change that stance?
Genuinely interested in reasons why....
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2020 17:17:58 GMT
What's the alternative though? Clearly a new training ground and stadium would drive us massively forward in many respects but seems a tad unreasonable to expect anyone to plow in millions at their own risk in what's effectively a gamble at securing mid to long term Championship football. We're being funded at the level you would expect a mid L1 team and I can understand why they would be very reluctant to invest more at this point. It's easy for us as supporters to demand this and that but ultimately it's not our capital that's at risk. When you look at the likes of Bury, Macclesfield etc and seemingly the ticking time bomb sat in many lower league clubs, I think it's unfair to be too critical of owners who are signing players and allowing us to compete at this level. The counter argument is that given our losses, the responsible thing would be to hugely cut back and effectively surrender our L1 status in an attempt to make the club sustainable in the short term. I suspect that wouldn't be the most popular move though. I suppose the alternative is to stop blocking other potential owners with demands to keep a % of the football club after any takeover and let one of the other 12 or 13 interested parties (that Wael spoke of after his takeover) have a go at delivering what Waely obviously can't. We're going nowhere fast with this narcissistic fantasist at the helm. Whether those 12, 13 or however number are in any way credible is another question altogether though isn't it. The spate of chancers who've plagued lower league clubs over recent years tells us the grass isn't always greener. For all his faults, I think it's unfair to put Wael in that box. Maybe I'm naive but I geniunely think if someone financially capable with serious intent to drive us forward to the next level made a move, it would happen.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jan 16, 2020 17:35:59 GMT
What's the alternative though? Clearly a new training ground and stadium would drive us massively forward in many respects but seems a tad unreasonable to expect anyone to plow in millions at their own risk in what's effectively a gamble at securing mid to long term Championship football. We're being funded at the level you would expect a mid L1 team and I can understand why they would be very reluctant to invest more at this point. It's easy for us as supporters to demand this and that but ultimately it's not our capital that's at risk. When you look at the likes of Bury, Macclesfield etc and seemingly the ticking time bomb sat in many lower league clubs, I think it's unfair to be too critical of owners who are signing players and allowing us to compete at this level. The counter argument is that given our losses, the responsible thing would be to hugely cut back and effectively surrender our L1 status in an attempt to make the club sustainable in the short term. I suspect that wouldn't be the most popular move though. I suppose the alternative is to stop blocking other potential owners with demands to keep a % of the football club after any takeover and let one of the other 12 or 13 interested parties (that Wael spoke of after his takeover) have a go at delivering what Waely obviously can't. We're going nowhere fast with this narcissistic fantasist at the helm. You seem to have become very bitter and angry at the owners and Wael in particular recently. What's prompted that?
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Post by theduke on Jan 16, 2020 17:38:06 GMT
Let's be honest, Wael is a nice fella but this whole ownership thing is about giving him a football club to play real-life football manager with. He's at Rovers because the Al-Qadi's don't have pockets deep enough to take over a Championship or better-equipped League One club.
They haven't taken us forward in any shape or fashion ever since they arrived. I suppose you can give them some credit for sustaining us while we run up 65k a week losses, but you could also argue that they're only currently doing so because they're trying to secure an exit strategy which involves clawing back as much of their money as possible.
I think they mean well overall, but they don't seem to have any clear vision on how to take this football club forward. Look at the way they just lurched in their managerial search from trying to find a candidate with promotions on their resume to an untested younger coach who wants to revolutionize the playing style at the expense of what was a very good league position. Garner may turn out to be the best thing that's happened to this club in years but how can we not worry about Wael when he seems to have different ambitions for this club dependent upon what day of the week it is.
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Post by Feeling The Blues on Jan 16, 2020 17:39:39 GMT
What's the difference between No and Get them out? Whether you simply don’t think they are good for the football club or whether you think that and also can’t stand them to boot? Either way the answers should be combined.
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Post by pirate on Jan 16, 2020 17:41:04 GMT
I suppose the alternative is to stop blocking other potential owners with demands to keep a % of the football club after any takeover and let one of the other 12 or 13 interested parties (that Wael spoke of after his takeover) have a go at delivering what Waely obviously can't. We're going nowhere fast with this narcissistic fantasist at the helm. You seem to have become very bitter and angry at the owners and Wael in particular recently. What's prompted that? 4 years of nothingness for the club.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jan 16, 2020 17:41:07 GMT
What's the difference between No and Get them out? Whether you simply don’t think they are good for the football club or whether you think that and also can’t stand them to boot? Either way the answers should be combined. Not a very fair poll then is it, when 3 of the 4 options show bias?
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Post by theduke on Jan 16, 2020 17:42:19 GMT
You seem to have become very bitter and angry at the owners and Wael in particular recently. What's prompted that? 4 years of nothingness for the club. That's the polite word for it.
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