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Post by Rod1883 on Jan 21, 2020 12:12:30 GMT
..as it seems to be open ended, based on the Starnes interview, then I would expect the Owners/Board to act to protect the business (and take pressure off the affected employee too) by bringing in some interim help for Maher and the other coaching staff OK so what if he wants to come back to work next week? Keep paying whoever this is you want brought in? Have two managers? What do your work do when someone has compassionate leave? Bus in a replacement less than 2 weeks later? Firm management would put a timescale on it - to the end of the season for example so that BG can focus on his family, and the business can go on with someone at the helm!
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Post by LJG on Jan 21, 2020 12:15:03 GMT
I've asked a few people who've posted similar things but as yet no response: Why do you describe this as a management saga? The manager is on compassionate leave - what do you expect the owners to do about that? In an ideal world they could appoint Warnock as he’s looking to complete a milestone for a few months, as a result he might do it for mate’s rates and he would obviously fit with Coughlan’s style of football. That is a non-starter though, let’s be honest. Alternatively they could give Maher the job until August with a mandate to coach the players as Coughlan was doing to try and halt the slide. Either of those options would show some strong leadership. The option they are taking is to let the manager be involved by phone on a day to day basis and (by all accounts from our set up) pick the team and tactics without actually taking training sessions. He’s half in and half out of the job at a time when we have yet to score a league goal in 2020! This situation needs nipping in the bud. It goes without saying if we were winning games then as odd as it sounds maybe there is a case for letting BG dictate his involvement and when this all comes to a head, but we aren’t so he shouldn’t. The board should insist BG focuses completely on his family until the summer, make an interim appointment and be pro-active about halting the slide. Same question to you as I've asked above. They appoint Warnock and Ben wants to come back next week. Then what? They give it to Maher and Ben wants to come back then what? Both are nonsense suggestions. Just as it would be if your employer looked to replace you you because you'd been off for a week and a bit.
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Post by LJG on Jan 21, 2020 12:21:44 GMT
OK so what if he wants to come back to work next week? Keep paying whoever this is you want brought in? Have two managers? What do your work do when someone has compassionate leave? Bus in a replacement less than 2 weeks later? Firm management would put a timescale on it - to the end of the season for example so that BG can focus on his family, and the business can go on with someone at the helm! I can picture the outrage on here if we started paying a new manager and the current one wanted to come back.
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Post by Rod1883 on Jan 21, 2020 12:23:05 GMT
Firm management would put a timescale on it - to the end of the season for example so that BG can focus on his family, and the business can go on with someone at the helm! I can picture the outrage on here if we started paying a new manager and the current one wanted to come back. No outrage at all if it stops the frankly ridiculous and unprofessional situation we are currently in - freefalling toward relegation.
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Post by LJG on Jan 21, 2020 12:31:54 GMT
I can picture the outrage on here if we started paying a new manager and the current one wanted to come back. No outrage at all if it stops the frankly ridiculous and unprofessional situation we are currently in - freefalling toward relegation. Unprofessional would be replacing a member of staff because they've had less than a fortnight's compassionate leave. There would be tantrums galore if we were paying two wages for one role.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2020 12:37:06 GMT
In an ideal world they could appoint Warnock as he’s looking to complete a milestone for a few months, as a result he might do it for mate’s rates and he would obviously fit with Coughlan’s style of football. That is a non-starter though, let’s be honest. Alternatively they could give Maher the job until August with a mandate to coach the players as Coughlan was doing to try and halt the slide. Either of those options would show some strong leadership. The option they are taking is to let the manager be involved by phone on a day to day basis and (by all accounts from our set up) pick the team and tactics without actually taking training sessions. He’s half in and half out of the job at a time when we have yet to score a league goal in 2020! This situation needs nipping in the bud. It goes without saying if we were winning games then as odd as it sounds maybe there is a case for letting BG dictate his involvement and when this all comes to a head, but we aren’t so he shouldn’t. The board should insist BG focuses completely on his family until the summer, make an interim appointment and be pro-active about halting the slide. Same question to you as I've asked above. They appoint Warnock and Ben wants to come back next week. Then what? They give it to Maher and Ben wants to come back then what? Both are nonsense suggestions. Just as it would be if your employer looked to replace you you because you'd been off for a week and a bit. Same as I’ve said- he’s got til the summer off, it’s not rocket science is it? Results have not just nose dived they’ve fallen off a bloody cliff. As long as we don’t make him redundant or make it so he has no job to come back to then what.’s the issue? It’s a results business and like any other business that has a falling share price the custodians are looked to to take remedial action. Our mob are waiting to see what move a man on compassionate leave takes when they should be grasping the bull by the horns and making the decision to give him 5 months off- for everyone’s benefit.
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Post by Rod1883 on Jan 21, 2020 12:39:12 GMT
It seems that you and I will have to agree to disagree LJG. In my opinion paying an extra salary to the end of the season, to save our season, is eminently sensible and good business. We are saving one salary at the moment anyway as both GC and Dunne left with only BG coming in.
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Jan 21, 2020 12:51:57 GMT
It seems that you and I will have to agree to disagree LJG. In my opinion paying an extra salary to the end of the season, to save our season, is eminently sensible and good business. We are saving one salary at the moment anyway as both GC and Dunne left with only BG coming in. But what does save our season actually mean? We’re out of all the cups and we’re mid-table with little prospect of going up or down. That’s not me being complacent. That’s me being realistic. There is effectively one relegation place to play for. We will comfortably pick up the few points we need. Provided that his family situation allows him to, this is the perfect situation for Garner to lay the foundations for next season. In my opinion, this is a time where we have to, both as a club and as a fanbase, just hold our nerve.
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Post by Rod1883 on Jan 21, 2020 12:56:24 GMT
It seems that you and I will have to agree to disagree LJG. In my opinion paying an extra salary to the end of the season, to save our season, is eminently sensible and good business. We are saving one salary at the moment anyway as both GC and Dunne left with only BG coming in. But what does save our season actually mean? We’re out of all the cups and we’re mid-table with little prospect of going up or down. That’s not me being complacent. That’s me being realistic. There is effectively one relegation place to play for. We will comfortably pick up the few points we need. Provided that his family situation allows him to, this is the perfect situation for Garner to lay the foundations for next season. In my opinion, this is a time where we have to, both as a club and as a fanbase, just hold our nerve. There is every prospect of us going down without leadership. Our current form will see us go down if replicated over the rest of the season. Our crowds will drop to the real hardcore of ~5k, haemorrhaging money from the club. Relegation will cost the club a fortune. Something has to be done.
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Post by paulpirate on Jan 21, 2020 13:18:21 GMT
Sell jch and get some money for him whilst we can,don’t like his attitude on the pitch at the moment putting hands in the air if he doesn’t receive a pass I didn’t see all the other players putting their hands in the air moaning at him when he missed that sitter last Saturday,that would’ve been 0-1 and totally different game
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2020 13:23:38 GMT
It seems that you and I will have to agree to disagree LJG. In my opinion paying an extra salary to the end of the season, to save our season, is eminently sensible and good business. We are saving one salary at the moment anyway as both GC and Dunne left with only BG coming in. But what does save our season actually mean? We’re out of all the cups and we’re mid-table with little prospect of going up or down. That’s not me being complacent. That’s me being realistic. There is effectively one relegation place to play for. We will comfortably pick up the few points we need. Provided that his family situation allows him to, this is the perfect situation for Garner to lay the foundations for next season. In my opinion, this is a time where we have to, both as a club and as a fanbase, just hold our nerve. I could understand that attitude if we had been unlucky in games but so far this year we are conceding at least more than one goal a game whilst not being able to score ourselves. We still need more points in order to be confident of staying up. Where in that scenario do you find the confidence that we have already done enough to avoid relegation?
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 21, 2020 13:27:05 GMT
Matt Harold up front! But in response to the thread, starting to get a bit frustrated as we all are. I've hardly been on here the last few days - burying my head in the sand at the state of: The results saga The stadium saga The training ground saga The management sagaThe injuries saga The Ken Master's saga And the rest.... Damn, it's worse when you spell it out isn't it 😑 I've asked a few people who've posted similar things but as yet no response: Why do you describe this as a management saga? The manager is on compassionate leave - what do you expect the owners to do about that? Losing GC w/o seemingly putting up a fight, then appointing a manager with no managerial experience, who with v. limited budget wants to completely change our style which almost got us to 2nd, always looked a risky decision. Now we have this open ended date when BG might return which seems unheard of in football at this level.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 21, 2020 13:29:41 GMT
But what does save our season actually mean? We’re out of all the cups and we’re mid-table with little prospect of going up or down. That’s not me being complacent. That’s me being realistic. There is effectively one relegation place to play for. We will comfortably pick up the few points we need. Provided that his family situation allows him to, this is the perfect situation for Garner to lay the foundations for next season. In my opinion, this is a time where we have to, both as a club and as a fanbase, just hold our nerve. I could understand that attitude if we had been unlucky in games but so far this year we are conceding at least more than one goal a game whilst not being able to score ourselves. We still need more points in order to be confident of staying up. Where in that scenario do you find the confidence that we have already done enough to avoid relegation? Plus if we carry on losing games gates will really drop off, and teams ending a season poorly usually continue in the same vane the following season unless they change their manager. Although fail to beat Fleetwood and you do wonder where our next win is coming from.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2020 13:55:44 GMT
It seems that you and I will have to agree to disagree LJG. In my opinion paying an extra salary to the end of the season, to save our season, is eminently sensible and good business. We are saving one salary at the moment anyway as both GC and Dunne left with only BG coming in. You could appoint anyone you like until the end of the season and still get relegated/not improve. You make it seem inevitable that appointing someone until the end of the season will automatically make us win lots of games.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2020 13:57:55 GMT
Sell jch and get some money for him whilst we can,don’t like his attitude on the pitch at the moment putting hands in the air if he doesn’t receive a pass I didn’t see all the other players putting their hands in the air moaning at him when he missed that sitter last Saturday,that would’ve been 0-1 and totally different game Great idea,should be really easy to get someone in who will match his 22 goals in 38 games.
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Post by Rod1883 on Jan 21, 2020 14:00:13 GMT
It seems that you and I will have to agree to disagree LJG. In my opinion paying an extra salary to the end of the season, to save our season, is eminently sensible and good business. We are saving one salary at the moment anyway as both GC and Dunne left with only BG coming in. You could appoint anyone you like until the end of the season and still get relegated/not improve. You make it seem inevitable that appointing someone until the end of the season will automatically make us win lots of games. It's not inevitable, of course it isn't- but the current phone based system isn't working. An interim appointment - someone that can see and work with the players on the training ground would have more chance of making it work.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2020 14:12:12 GMT
No outrage at all if it stops the frankly ridiculous and unprofessional situation we are currently in - freefalling toward relegation. Unprofessional would be replacing a member of staff because they've had less than a fortnight's compassionate leave. There would be tantrums galore if we were paying two wages for one role. I don’t think there would be if it stopped the “rot” and we started winning games. Football is a results business and sometimes people’s jobs even depend on a club avoiding relegation. You simply can’t let a run of bad results go unchecked and, as horrible as it is to say, there is a chance here for the club to bring someone else in to steady the ship, or give a clear mandate to Maher that we should go back to the type of football these players can play. I’ll stress again- no-one would be taking Garner’s job away, more changing the parameters so his work effectively now commences in the summer, which it should have done anyway. Absolutely bloody madness to bring in someone with big footballing ideas to take over a team full of cloggers at Christmas in the first place. Maher should have been left in charge with BG coming in over the summer. The board can still make that happen if they act. As Topper alluded to: what other examples are there of progressional level football clubs having open ended compassionate leave for a manager? I’m struggling apart from that lad who coached Barcelona who had cancer and I believe then their board out the assistant manager in charge.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2020 14:20:11 GMT
You could appoint anyone you like until the end of the season and still get relegated/not improve. You make it seem inevitable that appointing someone until the end of the season will automatically make us win lots of games. It's not inevitable, of course it isn't- but the current phone based system isn't working. An interim appointment - someone that can see and work with the players on the training ground would have more chance of making it work. Trying to change the way we play definitely isn’t working! Get them back playing kick and rush the Coughlan way ffs. We might yet still get relegated but anyone with any sense can see it’s about the only option we’ve got with this squad of players. Starting with Two number 10s on Saturday, one of whom was Reilly, definitely is not the Coughlan way!
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Jan 21, 2020 14:25:49 GMT
Ollie coming back Little /JCH /Davies more minutes today for the Development team 3 new faces now with a full week to get up to speed on the training ground Some winnable games coming up
There are reasons to believe we can start turning a corner now.
Would be more confident if I knew Ogogo was coming back soon. Anyone know the latest on him?
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Post by lastminutewinner on Jan 21, 2020 14:33:15 GMT
Ollie coming back Little /JCH /Davies more minutes today for the Development team 3 new faces now with a full week to get up to speed on the training ground Some winnable games coming up There are reasons to believe we can start turning a corner now. Would be more confident if I knew Ogogo was coming back soon. Anyone know the latest on him?
In Little and THD's case its more minutes to pick up another injury...
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