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Post by Hudson1883 on Jan 26, 2020 17:54:03 GMT
Going back to the original title. Do I feel sorry for JCH? Absolutely not! He's employed to score goals. Yesterday he failed to score from a penalty which would have given us another 2 points. Sorry, but I can't remember the last time he scored a goal. His whole demeanour for the last 6 weeks or so is that of a player who no longer wants to be at Rovers. It's the fans who I feel sorry for! I agree entirely. |
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Post by justin blue on Jan 26, 2020 18:12:14 GMT
JCH doesn’t care about us and we shouldn’t get attached and sentimental about him. Okay, yes he may care whilst he’s here but when a bigger club comes along he will jump ship like 99% of the others have in the past. He came here because our contract offer was one that would “set him up for life”. How do you know that he doesn't care about us and why shouldn't we get sentimental about a player who's goals saved us last season and helped propel us to 4th this season. imho Your post is totally disrespectful of a player who has done so much for this club whatever happens in the future. |
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Post by aghast on Jan 26, 2020 18:17:56 GMT
He probably thought he was off to a Championship club this month and a truly massive pay rise, so lost focus and developed a bit of an attitude.
That all seems to have gone wrong for him now, and perhaps he'll be stuck here for the foreseeable.
So he needs to rebuild his form and reputation and maybe be off in the summer. But can he do it? He's never set the world alight anywhere else but here, for a relatively brief spell.
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Post by gaseous on Jan 26, 2020 18:35:38 GMT
Yes he does play much better with a strike partner alongside him, one recognised striker up front at home is inexcusable.
Maybe it's just he's not happy playing for BG, you have to remember that Nichols is a very popular player in the dressing room and maybe the players aren't happy how Nichols has been treated.
Could that be what our form is like it is?
To be honest I'd cash in on JCH and if Cardiff are interested and have been watching then let him go, his heart doesn't in for me.
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Post by justin blue on Jan 26, 2020 19:04:13 GMT
Yes he does play much better with a strike partner alongside him, one recognised striker up front at home is inexcusable. Maybe it's just he's not happy playing for BG, you have to remember that Nichols is a very popular player in the dressing room and maybe the players aren't happy how Nichols has been treated. Could that be what our form is like it is? To be honest I'd cash in on JCH and if Cardiff are interested and have been watching then let him go, his heart doesn't in for me. How would we know if he plays better with another recognised striker as we have never had another one since in his time here. This is the problem JCH is our main goal threat the one everyone looks to to score goals and when he's not producing the goods we aren't getting results. Whatever the reason for his lack of form recently we need him to get it back and running him down blaming him for our situation is not going to help. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 26, 2020 19:25:16 GMT
Yes he does play much better with a strike partner alongside him, one recognised striker up front at home is inexcusable. Maybe it's just he's not happy playing for BG, you have to remember that Nichols is a very popular player in the dressing room and maybe the players aren't happy how Nichols has been treated. Could that be what our form is like it is? To be honest I'd cash in on JCH and if Cardiff are interested and have been watching then let him go, his heart doesn't in for me. How would we know if he plays better with another recognised striker as we have never had another one since in his time here. This is the problem JCH is our main goal threat the one everyone looks to to score goals and when he's not producing the goods we aren't getting results. Whatever the reason for his lack of form recently we need him to get it back and running him down blaming him for our situation is not going to help. Recognised or not GC always played another striker alongside him, I'd put money on GC knowing how to get the best out of him compared to BG. |
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Post by wilmslowgas on Jan 26, 2020 19:48:13 GMT
JCH doesn’t care about us and we shouldn’t get attached and sentimental about him. Okay, yes he may care whilst he’s here but when a bigger club comes along he will jump ship like 99% of the others have in the past. He came here because our contract offer was one that would “set him up for life”. How do you know that he doesn't care about us and why shouldn't we get sentimental about a player who's goals saved us last season and helped propel us to 4th this season. imho Your post is totally disrespectful of a player who has done so much for this club whatever happens in the future. Respect is, or should be, a mutual concept. It is very easy to consider that that HIS recent demeanour is one of lack of respect for the club (and by its association) the fans. Once a player adopts a lackadaisical attitude to playing for Rovers my respect towards him disappears regardless of previous heroics. |
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Post by justin blue on Jan 26, 2020 20:07:43 GMT
How would we know if he plays better with another recognised striker as we have never had another one since in his time here. This is the problem JCH is our main goal threat the one everyone looks to to score goals and when he's not producing the goods we aren't getting results. Whatever the reason for his lack of form recently we need him to get it back and running him down blaming him for our situation is not going to help. Recognised or not GC always played another striker alongside him, I'd put money on GC knowing how to get the best out of him compared to BG. Agreed I think the influence of GC transformed JCH into the striker he became we just have to hope BG can find a way to get him performing again. I think JCH needs striker, but more importantly another goal threat alongside to take some of the pressure off. JCH has been our main goal threat and with other teams giving him priority should have allowed others chances to chip in with goals this the players we have haven't been able to so it's doubtful any of them will without the JCH's presence. |
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Post by justin blue on Jan 26, 2020 20:43:27 GMT
How do you know that he doesn't care about us and why shouldn't we get sentimental about a player who's goals saved us last season and helped propel us to 4th this season. imho Your post is totally disrespectful of a player who has done so much for this club whatever happens in the future. Respect is, or should be, a mutual concept. It is very easy to consider that that HIS recent demeanour is one of lack of respect for the club (and by its association) the fans. Once a player adopts a lackadaisical attitude to playing for Rovers my respect towards him disappears regardless of previous heroics. No that would be mutual respect and something given to equals I would not expect respect from JCH as he does not know me. However he was totally respectful when he spoke to those of us in the hospitality after the Blackpool game last year. Fair enough, if you cant see past half a dozen poor games from a player who's goals kept us up last season and contributed for our highest position for twenty plus years. Good luck to you and your expectations. |
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Post by wilmslowgas on Jan 26, 2020 20:58:41 GMT
Thank you for your wishes of good luck.
My expectations are pitifully low. They are centred on the fact that I want all Rovers players to be totally committed to the club and fans. I expect to see that commitment displayed on the pitch. From where I'm looking JCH does not appear to be showing that commitment. I fully respect your opinion based upon a chat with the player in the Blackpool hospitality lounge. However, I would rather see proof of that commitment on the pitch.
Incidentally, the mutual respect concept does not exclusively exist amongst equals. For example, the manager (for his guidance) may be respected by a youth player. In turn the youth player may be respected (for his effort, dedication etc) by the manager. That is mutual respect. However both individuals are not equals in the club hierarchy.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2020 22:41:30 GMT
I find it amazing that so many posters can read JCH's mind.
Comments like "he does not want to be here".
To my way of thinking he has been a fantastic player for the club who has had injury problems and like so many of the squad has lost form since coughlan left.
Some people say "sell him" but guess what? nobody else can score goals at the club.
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Post by james246 on Jan 26, 2020 22:46:13 GMT
Needs to play with a striker alongside him, right bow the service to him is terrible, and when he does get the ball often there is no one within 30 yards of him
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Post by paulpirate on Jan 26, 2020 22:50:22 GMT
I find it amazing that so many posters can read JCH's mind. Comments like "he does not want to be here". To my way of thinking he has been a fantastic player for the club who has had injury problems and like so many of the squad has lost form since coughlan left. Some people say "sell him" but guess what? nobody else can score goals at the club. i thought we done ok without him after Bolton game up to Ipswich away |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2020 23:01:45 GMT
I find it amazing that so many posters can read JCH's mind. Comments like "he does not want to be here". To my way of thinking he has been a fantastic player for the club who has had injury problems and like so many of the squad has lost form since coughlan left. Some people say "sell him" but guess what? nobody else can score goals at the club. i thought we done ok without him after Bolton game up to Ipswich away We did but coughlan always picked him when he was fit for very very obvious reason. I know you liked stefan payne but clarke-harris and ellis harrison for example are much better than payne. |
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Post by paulpirate on Jan 26, 2020 23:08:59 GMT
i thought we done ok without him after Bolton game up to Ipswich away We did but coughlan always picked him when he was fit for very very obvious reason. I know you liked stefan payne but clarke-harris and ellis harrison for example are much better than payne. who said I liked Payne? Got me mixed up with someone else I think |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2020 23:16:23 GMT
We did but coughlan always picked him when he was fit for very very obvious reason. I know you liked stefan payne but clarke-harris and ellis harrison for example are much better than payne. who said I liked Payne? Got me mixed up with someone else I think Oh sorry getting you mixed up with the poster who said "payne was everything harrison should have been" My mistake. |
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Post by yategasman on Jan 26, 2020 23:17:31 GMT
Sell,but based on form through Jan window i can't see any one coming in for him with any decent offer. Well I hope he is still with us on Saturday because he will hit form again so rather the GAS reap the benefits not some other bugger👍😜 |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2020 23:34:47 GMT
Thank you for your wishes of good luck. My expectations are pitifully low. They are centred on the fact that I want all Rovers players to be totally committed to the club and fans. I expect to see that commitment displayed on the pitch. From where I'm looking JCH does not appear to be showing that commitment. I fully respect your opinion based upon a chat with the player in the Blackpool hospitality lounge. However, I would rather see proof of that commitment on the pitch. Incidentally, the mutual respect concept does not exclusively exist amongst equals. For example, the manager (for his guidance) may be respected by a youth player. In turn the youth player may be respected (for his effort, dedication etc) by the manager. That is mutual respect. However both individuals are not equals in the club hierarchy. "totally committed to the club and fans" Yet "fans" turn on a player whose goals kept us up and has been an outstanding player for the club after a few poor games. Seems a bit of an unfair deal to me. I remember a time when players were simply out of form. |
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Post by robbo on Jan 27, 2020 18:26:30 GMT
I actually thought he played quite well against Fleetwood he was up against a giant defender he won a lot of high
balls witch oviously is bens idea of football
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Post by wilmslowgas on Jan 28, 2020 12:41:18 GMT
Thank you for your wishes of good luck. My expectations are pitifully low. They are centred on the fact that I want all Rovers players to be totally committed to the club and fans. I expect to see that commitment displayed on the pitch. From where I'm looking JCH does not appear to be showing that commitment. I fully respect your opinion based upon a chat with the player in the Blackpool hospitality lounge. However, I would rather see proof of that commitment on the pitch. Incidentally, the mutual respect concept does not exclusively exist amongst equals. For example, the manager (for his guidance) may be respected by a youth player. In turn the youth player may be respected (for his effort, dedication etc) by the manager. That is mutual respect. However both individuals are not equals in the club hierarchy. "totally committed to the club and fans" Yet "fans" turn on a player whose goals kept us up and has been an outstanding player for the club after a few poor games. Seems a bit of an unfair deal to me. I remember a time when players were simply out of form. I'm not turning against JCH. I fully accept he was largely instrumental in keeping us up last season. I fully accept he's our top scorer by a mile this season. I also accept that he's currently out of form - although in mitigation the service he's getting is average, at the very best. My issue is attitude. Good friend of mine (who sadly is an Oldham FC season ticket holder) watched JCH for a season at Boundary Park. He said the guy didn't score many goals but he terrorised defenders with his constant harassment. Their fans loved him. When he came here he also terrorised defences with his physical style AND scored goals. All I'm asking for is a return of the old JCH. At the moment I'm not seeing it. |
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