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Post by RD on Feb 2, 2020 16:39:37 GMT
11 games doesn't sound THAT much some times but it's a quarter of a season - mental.
Needs to win one of the next 3 or has to go.
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Post by wilmslowgas on Feb 2, 2020 17:12:15 GMT
Thanks for the report Steve and the opinions of others. I was not at the game but would make a couple of observations.
1. If Garner is looking for a back 3 pr 4 that are all ball players he had better focus on the Premiership. We are talking about L1 players here. Their primary task is to defend and give the ball to creative midfielders who can do something with it. Creative midfielders at Rovers? We can only dream! It appears Coventry have them in abundance.
2. Kilgour is an outstanding prospect at centre back. He does not have the attributes of a full back. Either play him as one of a back 3 or in the centre of a back 4.
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 2, 2020 17:32:26 GMT
Thanks for the report Steve and the opinions of others. I was not at the game but would make a couple of observations. 1. If Garner is looking for a back 3 pr 4 that are all ball players he had better focus on the Premiership. We are talking about L1 players here. Their primary task is to defend and give the ball to creative midfielders who can do something with it. Creative midfielders at Rovers? We can only dream! It appears Coventry have them in abundance. 2. Kilgour is an outstanding prospect at centre back. He does not have the attributes of a full back. Either play him as one of a back 3 or in the centre of a back 4. The latter is where he played yesterday? Although he played at RB at Bolton and we drew, so difficult to say with Little and Hare out if playing AK at RB is so wrong if BG wants to play 4 at the back, even if AK's best position is CB, I wonder what BG sees as our defensive line up in the future once Craig retires, a back 3 of Davies, Kilgor, Harris, or back 2 of Daives or Kilgore, Harris. |
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Post by daniel300380 on Feb 2, 2020 18:01:33 GMT
You didn't say one decent shot, you said one shot. The free kick is debatable whether it was going in. But JCH had another free kick in target, it was an easy save, but still on target. The Derby lad had a shot on target I think, although he didn't catch it and it was an easy save. JCH got to the ball first in the 2nd half, so that was probally on target as well. I only said were you watching a different game, as you said it to him and you said only one on target. Watch the highlights, the only efforts shown are JCH's free kick and Rodders header. Nothing else was worthy of showing apart from a shot from OC which cleared the north terrace and JCH's foul on the goalie. Not sure anyone would count M-L's weak back pass when he failed to connect with the ball. It would still count as a shot on target. Don't need to watch the highlights, I watched the game. Was just making the point they had more than one shot on target between them. I agree they were not good attempts, but they were on target. |
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Post by Icegas on Feb 2, 2020 20:47:32 GMT
Are we expecting too much too soon from this manager and his team? Coventry are probably the best side we’ve played this season. All their players were very comfortable on the ball. They didn’t give it away and even the defenders when under pressure looked after the ball until movement from team mates helped them out. How long has it taken them to get this far ? Well, Mark Robins went back there as manager for the second time nearly 3 years ago. They were relegated to league two and came back up the following season via the playoffs. They were pretty average last season and, I think , we took 4 points off them. All this time Robins has been trying to introduce players to support apossession / passing game and he’s now got it together. It’s taken 3 years ! I and others on here have seen enough to suggest that we will get there too ! Lets give BG some time - cut him some slack, it can’t be done overnight which seems to be most people’s expectations. After all a fair few of the new signings have yet to play. Keep the faith - we will get the team and the football we all crave ! I agree but its 11 games in and apart from at Bolton where we apparently played well, we have been shocking under BG. Yesterdays first 30min wasnt what I would call good, we were just the better out of the two sides and it was very much huff and puff stuff with very little quality displayed.There wasnt really style to our game. The 2nd half was one of the worst Ive ever seen us have at the mem in our nearly 25 years there. I will give BG time and he needs until at least Nov/Dec to build here.But we are in the results businness and at the minute we dont look even close to getting 3 points anytime soon. We will finish in the bottom 4/5 no doubt at this rate which will be shocking given where we were 5/6 weeks ago.It will be only luck due to the Bury,Bolton situation and that southend are sh** that we shouldnt go down now. Is BG developing into our Version of Lee Johnson in terms of that long bad run he had 3 years ago or so which some City fans still hold against him dispite where they are in the League.I would hate for that to happen to Ben here but our fans are at times just as poisonous and vile as them at Ashton gate thats why getting results turned around here is so important. |
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Post by markczgas on Feb 2, 2020 21:43:51 GMT
11 games doesn't sound THAT much some times but it's a quarter of a season - mental. Needs to win one of the next 3 or has to go. He's had 8 league games (drawn 3 and lost 5). |
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Post by markczgas on Feb 2, 2020 21:49:15 GMT
Are we expecting too much too soon from this manager and his team? Coventry are probably the best side we’ve played this season. All their players were very comfortable on the ball. They didn’t give it away and even the defenders when under pressure looked after the ball until movement from team mates helped them out. How long has it taken them to get this far ? Well, Mark Robins went back there as manager for the second time nearly 3 years ago. They were relegated to league two and came back up the following season via the playoffs. They were pretty average last season and, I think , we took 4 points off them. All this time Robins has been trying to introduce players to support apossession / passing game and he’s now got it together. It’s taken 3 years ! I and others on here have seen enough to suggest that we will get there too ! Lets give BG some time - cut him some slack, it can’t be done overnight which seems to be most people’s expectations. After all a fair few of the new signings have yet to play. Keep the faith - we will get the team and the football we all crave ! I agree but its 11 games in and apart from at Bolton where we apparently played well, we have been shocking under BG. Yesterdays first 30min wasnt what I would call good, we were just the better out of the two sides and it was very much huff and puff stuff with very little quality displayed.There wasnt really style to our game. The 2nd half was one of the worst Ive ever seen us have at the mem in our nearly 25 years there. I will give BG time and he needs until at least Nov/Dec to build here.B ut we are in the results businness and at the minute we dont look even close to getting 3 points anytime soon. We will finish in the bottom 4/5 no doubt at this rate which will be shocking given where we were 5/6 weeks ago.It will be only luck due to the Bury,Bolton situation and that southend are sh** that we shouldnt go down now. Is BG developing into our Version of Lee Johnson in terms of that long bad run he had 3 years ago or so which some City fans still hold against him dispite where they are in the League.I would hate for that to happen to Ben here but our fans are at times just as poisonous and vile as them at Ashton gate thats why getting results turned around here is so important. This is over the top. We had an unbelievable chance to win it late at Home to Fleetwood (penalty), and we were ahead v Bolton until they got a late equaliser. We will pick up wins when we play the tranmeres, blackpolls and rochdales. I think Wycombe are wobbling now and I expect us to get at least a point there especially as the new players and returners from injury will have a full week's training. UTG ! |
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Post by Icegas on Feb 2, 2020 22:38:19 GMT
I agree but its 11 games in and apart from at Bolton where we apparently played well, we have been shocking under BG. Yesterdays first 30min wasnt what I would call good, we were just the better out of the two sides and it was very much huff and puff stuff with very little quality displayed.There wasnt really style to our game. The 2nd half was one of the worst Ive ever seen us have at the mem in our nearly 25 years there. I will give BG time and he needs until at least Nov/Dec to build here.B ut we are in the results businness and at the minute we dont look even close to getting 3 points anytime soon. We will finish in the bottom 4/5 no doubt at this rate which will be shocking given where we were 5/6 weeks ago.It will be only luck due to the Bury,Bolton situation and that southend are sh** that we shouldnt go down now. Is BG developing into our Version of Lee Johnson in terms of that long bad run he had 3 years ago or so which some City fans still hold against him dispite where they are in the League.I would hate for that to happen to Ben here but our fans are at times just as poisonous and vile as them at Ashton gate thats why getting results turned around here is so important. This is over the top. We had an unbelievable chance to win it late at Home to Fleetwood (penalty), and we were ahead v Bolton until they got a late equaliser. We will pick up wins when we play the tranmeres, blackpolls and rochdales. I think Wycombe are wobbling now and I expect us to get at least a point there especially as the new players and returners from injury will have a full week's training. UTG ! Im not talking about the results Im talking about the performaces.We have been awlful at best since peterbrough at home.Under GC our style of play may not have been pretty but our performaces - tactic/results were outstanding. I always look for/want good performaces before results at the start of a managers run as if you can play well game to game results will always follow. Under BG we have had nither.Im in the BG needs time, and I like him as a guy and he needs time to develop what we wants to do here, but its 11 games in - so lets call a spade a spade...its been sh** and dispite a shocking ref yesterday thats not why we lost. |
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Post by lpgas on Feb 2, 2020 23:32:02 GMT
I saw a post on Facebook yesterday which has been removed about how Garner has the worst record of any new Rovers manager. The list contained Dobson, and Penney and a few others. Wonder who got it removed! Someone rich I expect  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2020 0:04:51 GMT
Thanks for the report Steve and the opinions of others. I was not at the game but would make a couple of observations. 1. If Garner is looking for a back 3 pr 4 that are all ball players he had better focus on the Premiership. We are talking about L1 players here. Their primary task is to defend and give the ball to creative midfielders who can do something with it. Creative midfielders at Rovers? We can only dream! It appears Coventry have them in abundance. 2. Kilgour is an outstanding prospect at centre back. He does not have the attributes of a full back. Either play him as one of a back 3 or in the centre of a back 4. Ref point 1] garner would like us to play like coventry or say doncaster who are not in the premiership but play the ball out from the back and defend pretty well. I was thinking that josh barrett was a creative midfield player but i havnt seen enough of him to know if that is true. |
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Post by lisbongas on Feb 3, 2020 0:29:59 GMT
Great goal aside I am not sure that JCH did enouth to get the MOTM award and if he was worth an 8 the coventry strikers would be worth 10 for their movement alone. JCH was not outstanding despite having something to prove playing against the team that left him in their reserves and at a time, that despite the hype no other club were willing to splash the cash on him in the transfer market. He is a good if at times lazy Div 1 centreforward but not one that Coventry fans would swap for their front line. Yesterday he did howeverlook better than he has done for weeks.
During the first 35minutes we looked better thanks to the two players eitherside of him who were prepared to close down in the way that JCH or most of the rest of our team rarely do. They hurried Coventry and stopped them playing out from the back as much as they would have liked to. This is perhaps more the high tempo game BG wants to play.
The Coventry midfield were fantastic the small number 8 (allen?) took us apart in the CUP and did so again yesterday.Neat quick passing that got the ball forward quickly. Olly Clarke battled hard and was defintely worth more than a 4 but the truth be told they were far quicker than us and bypassed our midfield. Sercombe was badly missed today as he is the one player who has the ability to deliver quality ball into the area. THD played well but still short of fitness, Rodman is to poor adefender to play wingback and on current form would struggle to get in on the wing.
At the back Craig as usual defended agressively but had some shocking passes that even he put his hands up to acknowledge as poor, I thugh Davies in fact was the better of the two, even though the early yellow card no doubt played on his mind a little. The Chelsea Goalkeeper is a cool player great hands good catch/leap although he needs to stay concentrating as he is playing behinf a defence prone to mistakes.
We scored in open play and had a few more chances so I guess we are improving a little
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Post by stevek192 on Feb 3, 2020 11:14:12 GMT
lisbongas,
A fair assessment. I gave JCH MOM because he did what no one else does and that is put the ball in the net and he was clearly treated by Coventry as the main dangerman- stop him and you stop us. Agree entirely on the two players either side but the problem with the high press game was it was not backed up by the midfield who are all one paced (slow).
Coventry are IMO the best side we have played. The speed of their football was a joy to watch but for all the talent they only had five actual shots at goal.
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Post by hardingegas on Feb 3, 2020 11:19:36 GMT
Agree with the last poster with regard to their midfield. This was the difference between the sides.
Ollie Clarke and Upson weren't at the races against their mobility and couldn't really get close to them.
I admire Clarke for his battling, never-say-die qualities but he'll never be at the same level as Walsh (on loan from City) or O'Hare (on loan from Villa).
These are the sort of players needed if you want to reach the playoffs. With Clarke and Upson you can survive as a mid table League 1 team.
The problem for us as a club is that Mr Lansdown's gang just hoover up all the local talent then loan them out to our rivals (Schmodics at Peterborough is another).
We're left with the likes of Russe and Hargreaves who might come good but I'm not holding my breath.
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Post by CrispPusher on Feb 3, 2020 22:07:14 GMT
Agree with the last poster with regard to their midfield. This was the difference between the sides. Ollie Clarke and Upson weren't at the races against their mobility and couldn't really get close to them. I admire Clarke for his battling, never-say-die qualities but he'll never be at the same level as Walsh (on loan from City) or O'Hare (on loan from Villa). These are the sort of players needed if you want to reach the playoffs. With Clarke and Upson you can survive as a mid table League 1 team. The problem for us as a club is that Mr Lansdown's gang just hoover up all the local talent then loan them out to our rivals (Schmodics at Peterborough is another). We're left with the likes of Russe and Hargreaves who might come good but I'm not holding my breath. With all due respect, Huyton and Colchester are both bloody miles away from Bristol. |
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Feb 3, 2020 22:12:42 GMT
Agree with the last poster with regard to their midfield. This was the difference between the sides. Ollie Clarke and Upson weren't at the races against their mobility and couldn't really get close to them. I admire Clarke for his battling, never-say-die qualities but he'll never be at the same level as Walsh (on loan from City) or O'Hare (on loan from Villa). These are the sort of players needed if you want to reach the playoffs. With Clarke and Upson you can survive as a mid table League 1 team. The problem for us as a club is that Mr Lansdown's gang just hoover up all the local talent then loan them out to our rivals (Schmodics at Peterborough is another). We're left with the likes of Russe and Hargreaves who might come good but I'm not holding my breath. True. Seeing it in black and white has just made me reliase how many players City have loaned out to teams at the top of L1. Peterborough - Szmodics Sunderland - Bailey-Wright Semenyo Oxford - Taylor Coventry - Walsh Shrewsbury - O'Leary (admittedly a bit lower) |
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Post by Jomo on Feb 3, 2020 22:18:03 GMT
Agree with the last poster with regard to their midfield. This was the difference between the sides. Ollie Clarke and Upson weren't at the races against their mobility and couldn't really get close to them. I admire Clarke for his battling, never-say-die qualities but he'll never be at the same level as Walsh (on loan from City) or O'Hare (on loan from Villa). These are the sort of players needed if you want to reach the playoffs. With Clarke and Upson you can survive as a mid table League 1 team. The problem for us as a club is that Mr Lansdown's gang just hoover up all the local talent then loan them out to our rivals (Schmodics at Peterborough is another). We're left with the likes of Russe and Hargreaves who might come good but I'm not holding my breath. True. Seeing it in black and white has just made me reliase how many players City have loaned out to teams at the top of L1. Peterborough - Szmodics Sunderland - Bailey-Wright Semenyo Oxford - Taylor Coventry - Walsh Shrewsbury - O'Leary (admittedly a bit lower) Championship's version of Chelsea. I absolutely despise Lansdown with a passion. |
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Post by hardingegas on Feb 4, 2020 10:52:00 GMT
There's also Adelakun at Rotherham and Moore at Blackpool to add to the list!
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Post by stevek192 on Feb 4, 2020 11:05:56 GMT
I despise Lansdown too but that is due to the gap between us and City being due entirely to him. I wish we had him as owner because however much I hate him he has put his money where his mouth is and without him City would be needing tents too! Everything about them is down to Lansdown. Hate him but respect him.
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Post by hardingegas on Feb 4, 2020 11:11:10 GMT
Not a personal dig at Lansdown, but an observation of the number of loanees they seem to have sent out to League One clubs.
As a previous poster mentioned they are the Chelsea of the Premiership! Not a good sign for the future of the game.
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 4, 2020 11:16:23 GMT
"We scored in open play and had a few more chances so I guess we are improving a little"
Even that wasn't a chance we created but down to a shocking misunderstanding between the CH and the goalie, we've scored 3 goals v Coventry in the 3 recent games and two of them were down to defensive errors! It does make you wonder how poor we are at the moment. I think under BG we've scored 5 goals, 2 down were down to mistakes, one Craig's header from a corner the 4th, 1 a pen, the only goaal we've created in open play was against basket case Bolton! So in 11 games one goal from open play.
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