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Post by lastminutewinner on Feb 14, 2020 13:08:26 GMT
Does poor communication from the club include failure to update supporters when and where the CEO is going on his holidays? Does poor communication from the club include failure to update supporters on whether WAQ is in the UK or in Jordan (where presumably he has internet and phone access)?
I demand they let us add them to a tracking phone app so we can see where they are at all times. The fans need to know!
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Post by glengas on Feb 14, 2020 14:43:36 GMT
They don't have to take the holiday on the same days exactly... Back when I was a student I worked in Sainsburys, as team leaders we weren't allowed to have more than 1 team leader off in the same week. It was a case of first come first served and we'd sit down together and work out when we can take our holidays so we didn't disrupt anything. Between Wael, Starnes & TG I'm absolutely certain this can be done. Not sure when he was supposed to be back, I only know he's on holiday because it was mentioned on here. At first I thought it was a joke tbh. Have the club actually said this? As usual with Rovers the is zero communication. As already mentioned we have a failing manager, a promised Q&A, missing coaching staff, worst transparency in the EFL, 8th worst communication in the EFL, no assistant manager, a club in freefall, losing £65k per week and the CEO decides to go on holiday during the season whilst the president hasn't spoken to us since August and I'm not even sure if he's in the UK? I really don't see how this can be deemed as ok. However, I think we can agree that there probably isn't any good time to go as a CEO, but some are probably better than others. I only saw what was mentioned here as well, but I thought they said he was on the cruise that was quarantined. So I assumed that he was supposed to be back already. We have more coaching staff than we did at this stage of last season. We could do with an assistant manager. But then Dunne only joined us on a voluntarily basis late February last season and then joined properly ages after that. Mayer and the goalkeeping coach, didn't join until the summer. With Coppell helping out as well, we probally have enough to get by, until Garner decides who he wants long term. Garner already said he will use or current coaching staff, before maybe bringing someone in further down the line. I would like to hear from the president more. But then if he is in talks to sell the club, that's most likely why he's not giving interviews at the moment. He's probably waiting for an update, regarding fruit market talks. I would be surprised if he was in talks to sell the club as it was only a few weeks ago our CEO told us the club is not up for sale?
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Post by pirate on Feb 14, 2020 15:16:46 GMT
I only saw what was mentioned here as well, but I thought they said he was on the cruise that was quarantined. So I assumed that he was supposed to be back already. We have more coaching staff than we did at this stage of last season. We could do with an assistant manager. But then Dunne only joined us on a voluntarily basis late February last season and then joined properly ages after that. Mayer and the goalkeeping coach, didn't join until the summer. With Coppell helping out as well, we probally have enough to get by, until Garner decides who he wants long term. Garner already said he will use or current coaching staff, before maybe bringing someone in further down the line. I would like to hear from the president more. But then if he is in talks to sell the club, that's most likely why he's not giving interviews at the moment. He's probably waiting for an update, regarding fruit market talks. I would be surprised if he was in talks to sell the club as it was only a few weeks ago our CEO told us the club is not up for sale? 20man: The club ownership, can we talk about that; do the Al Qadis want to sell the football club? Starnes: No, the only circumstance that they would be interested in selling the football club is if someone came along who convinced them they can take the club further, faster. 20man: Is the process underway to sell the football club or to sell a large part of it? Starnes: Not to my knowledge, Geoff. I'll refer you to my previous answer. 20man: This is quite important, that you categorise this answer: the Al Qadis/Dwane Sports, are you telling me they haven't appointed an agent to find a buyer or broker a sale? Starnes: That is certainly something I'm not aware of, if that's something you've heard. 20man: Just for clarity, they are not trying to sell the club and they have not appointed an agent to do so on their behalf? Starnes: Not to my knowledge.
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Post by Gassy on Feb 14, 2020 15:45:04 GMT
I would be surprised if he was in talks to sell the club as it was only a few weeks ago our CEO told us the club is not up for sale? 20man: The club ownership, can we talk about that; do the Al Qadis want to sell the football club? Starnes: No, the only circumstance that they would be interested in selling the football club is if someone came along who convinced them they can take the club further, faster. 20man: Is the process underway to sell the football club or to sell a large part of it? Starnes: Not to my knowledge, Geoff. I'll refer you to my previous answer. 20man: This is quite important, that you categorise this answer: the Al Qadis/Dwane Sports, are you telling me they haven't appointed an agent to find a buyer or broker a sale? Starnes: That is certainly something I'm not aware of, if that's something you've heard. 20man: Just for clarity, they are not trying to sell the club and they have not appointed an agent to do so on their behalf? Starnes: Not to my knowledge. Tbf though, Starnes was hiding behind technicalities there. If the BBC & post etc are to be believed, the sale of the club would only go through if the sale of the FM is completed. Until then, the process to sell the club is not underway.
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Post by garystash on Feb 14, 2020 15:46:38 GMT
I had a little look at the questions that have been posed via twitter. It became clear to me why the promised Q&A hasn't appeared.
I read 50 or so responses to the original tweet, and there are only 3 questions.
1. Stadium, what's happening? 2. Training ground, what's happening? 3. Debt, how will it be serviced?
Answer these questions clearly, and our "communication" score would go through the roof. These are literally the only things (off the field) that we care about.
We do not care about anything else. To us, talking about anything else will not count as communication. It will affect our communication score by zero.
The people running the club need to answer the big questions and answer them clearly. Then and only then will we believe that the communication is anywhere near good.
The fact they haven't suggests to me that they can't answer these questions.
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Post by chewbacca on Feb 14, 2020 15:50:08 GMT
Been told by a source that we should hear some news about an interview by the end of October.
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Post by Jomo on Feb 14, 2020 15:59:32 GMT
I had a little look at the questions that have been posed via twitter. It became clear to me why the promised Q&A hasn't appeared. I read 50 or so responses to the original tweet, and there are only 3 questions. 1. Stadium, what's happening? 2. Training ground, what's happening? 3. Debt, how will it be serviced? Answer these questions clearly, and our "communication" score would go through the roof. These are literally the only things (off the field) that we care about. We do not care about anything else. To us, talking about anything else will not count as communication. It will affect our communication score by zero. The people running the club need to answer the big questions and answer them clearly. Then and only then will we believe that the communication is anywhere near good. The fact they haven't suggests to me that they can't answer these questions. Exactly. The thing is if they're not actively trying to sell the club (which I would kind of understand if they want to keep that under wraps), then there's no reason I can see that they couldn't give some form of update over the stadium and training ground issues. Currently it just comes across as though they're burying their heads in the sand. Personally I would be more satisfied than I am now, if we got quarterly updates simply stating along the lines of "We appreciate that the supporters would like to know more about the stadium and training ground developments, but rest assured that the club are in continued dialogue with third parties, planners and [insert relevant council here] and are confident of a positive resolution to these discussions in the coming months. Pending resolution of these issues, supporters will regrettably have to remain patient while we do our utmost to improve the sustainability of future prospects of Bristol Rovers Football Club. We will continue to do our best to improve the supporter experience in the immediate term, and thank all Gasheads for their exceptional patience and support throughout this period." See, I knocked this up in less than 5 minutes, and it's probably better than anything the club has come out with in years. It may not be what we all want to hear, but if it's true just f**king tell us and stop treating us like idiots. If they ARE trying to sell the club they can still pedal the same lines that they are exploring the best possible avenues to help the club move forward.
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Post by garystash on Feb 14, 2020 16:14:48 GMT
I had a little look at the questions that have been posed via twitter. It became clear to me why the promised Q&A hasn't appeared. I read 50 or so responses to the original tweet, and there are only 3 questions. 1. Stadium, what's happening? 2. Training ground, what's happening? 3. Debt, how will it be serviced? Answer these questions clearly, and our "communication" score would go through the roof. These are literally the only things (off the field) that we care about. We do not care about anything else. To us, talking about anything else will not count as communication. It will affect our communication score by zero. The people running the club need to answer the big questions and answer them clearly. Then and only then will we believe that the communication is anywhere near good. The fact they haven't suggests to me that they can't answer these questions. Exactly. The thing is if they're not actively trying to sell the club (which I would kind of understand if they want to keep that under wraps), then there's no reason I can see that they couldn't give some form of update over the stadium and training ground issues. Currently it just comes across as though they're burying their heads in the sand. Personally I would be more satisfied than I am now, if we got quarterly updates simply stating along the lines of "We appreciate that the supporters would like to know more about the stadium and training ground developments, but rest assured that the club are in continued dialogue with third parties, planners and [insert relevant council here] and are confident of a positive resolution to these discussions in the coming months. Pending resolution of these issues, supporters will regrettably have to remain patient while we do our utmost to improve the sustainability of future prospects of Bristol Rovers Football Club. We will continue to do our best to improve the supporter experience in the immediate term, and thank all Gasheads for their exceptional patience and support throughout this period." See, I knocked this up in less than 5 minutes, and it's probably better than anything the club has come out with in years. It may not be what we all want to hear, but if it's true just f**king tell us and stop treating us like idiots. If they ARE trying to sell the club they can still pedal the same lines that they are exploring the best possible avenues to help the club move forward. TBF, the spelling and grammar in your mock statement is a bit too good to have come out of the club :-)
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Post by Gassy on Feb 14, 2020 16:21:15 GMT
I had a little look at the questions that have been posed via twitter. It became clear to me why the promised Q&A hasn't appeared. I read 50 or so responses to the original tweet, and there are only 3 questions. 1. Stadium, what's happening? 2. Training ground, what's happening? 3. Debt, how will it be serviced? Answer these questions clearly, and our "communication" score would go through the roof. These are literally the only things (off the field) that we care about. We do not care about anything else. To us, talking about anything else will not count as communication. It will affect our communication score by zero. The people running the club need to answer the big questions and answer them clearly. Then and only then will we believe that the communication is anywhere near good. The fact they haven't suggests to me that they can't answer these questions. Exactly. The thing is if they're not actively trying to sell the club (which I would kind of understand if they want to keep that under wraps), then there's no reason I can see that they couldn't give some form of update over the stadium and training ground issues. Currently it just comes across as though they're burying their heads in the sand. Personally I would be more satisfied than I am now, if we got quarterly updates simply stating along the lines of "We appreciate that the supporters would like to know more about the stadium and training ground developments, but rest assured that the club are in continued dialogue with third parties, planners and [insert relevant council here] and are confident of a positive resolution to these discussions in the coming months. Pending resolution of these issues, supporters will regrettably have to remain patient while we do our utmost to improve the sustainability of future prospects of Bristol Rovers Football Club. We will continue to do our best to improve the supporter experience in the immediate term, and thank all Gasheads for their exceptional patience and support throughout this period." See, I knocked this up in less than 5 minutes, and it's probably better than anything the club has come out with in years. It may not be what we all want to hear, but if it's true just f**king tell us and stop treating us like idiots. If they ARE trying to sell the club they can still pedal the same lines that they are exploring the best possible avenues to help the club move forward. If you were TG, would you be advising the club to make a statement of some sort? Everyone on here says that TG must surely understand what the fans are feeling, which makes sense. But surely as commercial director it's absolutely vital that fans are happy as this encourages them to spend more money? If he does know, is he telling the people up top that they should speak to us more? If not, why? If he doesn't know, then seriously - why not? And if he does tell them & the club have admitted they want to improve, why don't they bother trying? I'm getting sick of the same line "we know that we need to improve our communication with supporters and are working to do that", but then we don't hear from them for a year. Then repeat this again basically. Something is seriously wrong somewhere in the running of the club.
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Post by horfield on Feb 14, 2020 18:03:02 GMT
How many people leave a Premier League club to join a Division 1 club, not exactly climbing the ladder is it
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Feb 14, 2020 18:48:53 GMT
How many people leave a Premier League club to join a Division 1 club, not exactly climbing the ladder is it Were Swansea in the Prem when you left them Steve?
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Post by knowall on Feb 14, 2020 20:37:24 GMT
Exactly. The thing is if they're not actively trying to sell the club (which I would kind of understand if they want to keep that under wraps), then there's no reason I can see that they couldn't give some form of update over the stadium and training ground issues. Currently it just comes across as though they're burying their heads in the sand. Personally I would be more satisfied than I am now, if we got quarterly updates simply stating along the lines of "We appreciate that the supporters would like to know more about the stadium and training ground developments, but rest assured that the club are in continued dialogue with third parties, planners and [insert relevant council here] and are confident of a positive resolution to these discussions in the coming months. Pending resolution of these issues, supporters will regrettably have to remain patient while we do our utmost to improve the sustainability of future prospects of Bristol Rovers Football Club. We will continue to do our best to improve the supporter experience in the immediate term, and thank all Gasheads for their exceptional patience and support throughout this period." See, I knocked this up in less than 5 minutes, and it's probably better than anything the club has come out with in years. It may not be what we all want to hear, but if it's true just f**king tell us and stop treating us like idiots. If they ARE trying to sell the club they can still pedal the same lines that they are exploring the best possible avenues to help the club move forward. If you were TG, would you be advising the club to make a statement of some sort? Everyone on here says that TG must surely understand what the fans are feeling, which makes sense. But surely as commercial director it's absolutely vital that fans are happy as this encourages them to spend more money? If he does know, is he telling the people up top that they should speak to us more? If not, why? If he doesn't know, then seriously - why not? And if he does tell them & the club have admitted they want to improve, why don't they bother trying? I'm getting sick of the same line "we know that we need to improve our communication with supporters and are working to do that", but then we don't hear from them for a year. Then repeat this again basically. Something is seriously wrong somewhere in the running of the club.The performance in any organisation is dependent on the person at the top - that is where the buck lies.
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Post by rovers5charlton5 on Feb 14, 2020 20:50:03 GMT
You can comment on it, that's your right, but supporting a club is not some kind of collective democracy where you get to vote on how they run things. It's like when fans campaign to 'sack the board'. They have no power to do this, they're just hoping some other mug will come along and throw their money away on the venture. I would suggest that Wael and family have thrown a lot more money away than the cost of a few season tickets since they've been in charge, above and beyond Dwayne Sports. And no, I have never moaned or complained, although being a Gashead, I've been frustrated almost every day of my 46 years of supporting them, but never felt sharing that would motivate the team very well. Well in a way it is, but I understand your point. If the fan base want the manager gone, then the board will have to react to their wishes, although they wouldn't be legally binding. I think fans are absolutely entitled to moan, that's the point of being fans. It's our moaning that shows we care (not saying you don't btw, just realised how that came across lol). I think there is a difference to writing on a forum and moaning than booing the team on a match day though. I've never booed Rovers and never will. I agree with most of what you're saying here. We all like to have a good moan, I just feel that some people go a little too far with it, but I suppose doing that on a forum like this is the least destructive way of doing that, as long as it doesn't cause the club to make ill judged decisions in response to some of the rubbish some people come out with 🙄
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Post by wider on Feb 14, 2020 21:24:44 GMT
How many people leave a Premier League club to join a Division 1 club, not exactly climbing the ladder is it I think this is a reference to Tom Gorringe and Brighton?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2020 21:30:39 GMT
“‘Tis I, Juan Sheet”! One sheet is plenty enough.
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Post by darkbluegas on Feb 14, 2020 22:05:43 GMT
If you were TG, would you be advising the club to make a statement of some sort? Everyone on here says that TG must surely understand what the fans are feeling, which makes sense. But surely as commercial director it's absolutely vital that fans are happy as this encourages them to spend more money? If he does know, is he telling the people up top that they should speak to us more? If not, why? If he doesn't know, then seriously - why not? And if he does tell them & the club have admitted they want to improve, why don't they bother trying? I'm getting sick of the same line "we know that we need to improve our communication with supporters and are working to do that", but then we don't hear from them for a year. Then repeat this again basically. Something is seriously wrong somewhere in the running of the club.The performance in any organisation is dependent on the person at the top - that is where the buck lies. Far be it from me but... isn’t it “that’s where the buck stops” On this question does anyone have a favourite footballers mixed metaphor. I like the often used “keeping their finger in” mixing up “keeping their hand in” and “pulling their finger out”
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2020 22:13:33 GMT
I had a little look at the questions that have been posed via twitter. It became clear to me why the promised Q&A hasn't appeared. I read 50 or so responses to the original tweet, and there are only 3 questions. 1. Stadium, what's happening? 2. Training ground, what's happening? 3. Debt, how will it be serviced? Answer these questions clearly, and our "communication" score would go through the roof. These are literally the only things (off the field) that we care about. We do not care about anything else. To us, talking about anything else will not count as communication. It will affect our communication score by zero. The people running the club need to answer the big questions and answer them clearly. Then and only then will we believe that the communication is anywhere near good. The fact they haven't suggests to me that they can't answer these questions. That in a nutshell is why the communication has been poor. They simply cannot answer the questions that really matter to fans.
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Post by yattongas on Feb 16, 2020 13:47:16 GMT
Enjoyed listening to this on the V.I.P. Gashead channel. Some very interesting to answers to some great questions.
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Post by Gasshole on Feb 16, 2020 23:28:28 GMT
“‘Tis I, Juan Sheet”! One sheet is plenty enough. Reminds me of a trip to La Paz, must be the altitude. Juan sheet all week.
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Post by orgasmic on Feb 17, 2020 9:10:29 GMT
Enjoyed listening to this on the V.I.P. Gashead channel. Some very interesting to answers to some great questions. Amazed you didn’t get a single nibble on this!
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