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Post by peterparker on Feb 12, 2020 8:08:48 GMT
Modern garbage? Tactical periodisation has worked pretty well for the likes of Brendan Rodgers, Nuno Espírito Santo and Jose Mourinho. Liverpool assistant Pep Lijnders is reportedly an admirer of the concept and similar approaches are used by Pep Guardiola and Mauricio Pochettino. Any examples of it being employed successfully in the English lower leagues? Garner is obviously a crap manager, the ridiculous decline in results don't lie, but we are stuck with him so just have to hope we can start scraping some results together. UTG interesting article on it here
www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/11764172/jose-mourinho-vitor-frade-and-the-influence-of-tactical-periodisation
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Post by makecoalyourgoal on Feb 12, 2020 8:23:33 GMT
Everything is dire at the moment but we can take heart from history. It was all pretty bad with Gerry Francis's side in 87/88 until the famous "Rovers revival" match against top of the table Sunderland, everything clicked and the rest is history. Keep the faith......at least until Sunderland at home in March!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2020 8:27:49 GMT
People are playing off this embarrassing, pathetic run of results by saying “it’s a long term project” So, by this logic, any sh** manager could by himself extra time by claiming that they are also working in a long term project..
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Post by bluebiro on Feb 12, 2020 8:43:16 GMT
Exactly brisgas. When he is happy and Informs us the team is now ready that's when he starts getting some money back from fans into the clubs finances. I will be ready when he is. Not paying top dollar for training sessions
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Post by darkbluegas on Feb 12, 2020 8:44:00 GMT
I don’t feel sorry for Ben he’s doing a job he enjoys and it’s not easy at the moment. He’s still clearly battling difficult times at home but working hard for the club. Like many people do in life.
It seems the majority of those that went last night thought the players and Ben deserved their support right to the end which says a lot.
Hopefully he won’t be reading some of the nonsense on here.
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Post by hollyhillgas on Feb 12, 2020 8:49:49 GMT
Worst manager in our history. Bit early to say that Yeah, Terry Cooper went 15 League games and 1 Glos derby before winning his first game as manager.
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Post by landrover on Feb 12, 2020 9:18:07 GMT
It’s still total boll***s. Are only the teams at the top using it or is the article being selective? Do Norwich or Stevenage know about it. They can’t all be winners can they? I said it at the time, we have an over qualified bookworm in charge whose only match day decision beforehand was whether the players wanted sugar in their half time tea.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Feb 12, 2020 9:18:22 GMT
People are playing off this embarrassing, pathetic run of results by saying “it’s a long term project” So, by this logic, any sh** manager could by himself extra time by claiming that they are also working in a long term project.. I think the main difference is that we have the luxury of a free half season to get things right coz of where we were and the circumstances of GC's exit. So we do have extra time that we wouldn't normally. No one is saying it's not a sh** run, and no one is saying we would always have this much time to get this right.
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Post by dragonfly on Feb 12, 2020 9:44:27 GMT
This article only gives a glimpse of tactical periodisation so it is difficult to comment on it, however, if Garner is using BRFC as an experiment to see if lower league players can adapt to it or to a model of his own creation, Wael should have prescribed caution. Whatever Garner is trying to do I wish he'd made us relegation proof first. If he succeeds we might just have a Team to remember in the not too distant future.
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Post by peterparker on Feb 12, 2020 9:49:21 GMT
This article only gives a glimpse of tactical periodisation so it is difficult to comment on it, however, if Garner is using BRFC as an experiment to see if lower league players can adapt to it or to a model of his own creation, Wael should have prescribed caution. Whatever Garner is trying to do I wish he'd made us relegation proof first. If he succeeds we might just have a Team to remember in the not too distant future. No arguments that it hasn't gone well here for BG for a number of reasons, but forget tactical Periodisation for a second. People don't like it because it's a buzz word from a highly rated coach who hasn't managed/played before
Change tactical periodisation to "The level/style of performance from Coventry is the sort of thing we are trying to achieve/get to" and what would anyone say about that? I suspect most would be happy that was the aim and wouldn't give a sh** about the training methods to achieve it.
Because it hasn't gone well it's just something to attack BG for, for something the fans don't understand.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2020 9:55:25 GMT
People are playing off this embarrassing, pathetic run of results by saying “it’s a long term project” So, by this logic, any sh** manager could by himself extra time by claiming that they are also working in a long term project.. I remember the days when Alex Ferguson was just a plain Mr and not a Sir. If my memory serves me right he was one game away from getting the sack. Man Utd faced an FA Cup replay (?) against Oldham away. He had been Manager for about two years and Utd hadn't really done very much in that time. The calls for him to go were loud and constant. Maybe if someone searched on Google they could present the facts more accurately. Utd scrapped through 1-0, and the rest as they say, is history. Now, I am not for one minute suggesting that BG will ever get anywhere near eclipsing Sir Alex, but it is worth noting that it took the greatest manager in the history of football in the UK a fair bit of time before he got his team playing the way he wanted. It didn't happen overnight.
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Post by pirate on Feb 12, 2020 9:55:41 GMT
Modern garbage? Tactical periodisation has worked pretty well for the likes of Brendan Rodgers, Nuno Espírito Santo and Jose Mourinho. Liverpool assistant Pep Lijnders is reportedly an admirer of the concept and similar approaches are used by Pep Guardiola and Mauricio Pochettino. Any examples of it being employed successfully in the English lower leagues?Garner is obviously a crap manager, the ridiculous decline in results don't lie, but we are stuck with him so just have to hope we can start scraping some results together. UTG Charlton Athletic.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2020 10:10:41 GMT
People are playing off this embarrassing, pathetic run of results by saying “it’s a long term project” So, by this logic, any sh** manager could by himself extra time by claiming that they are also working in a long term project.. I remember the days when Alex Ferguson was just a plain Mr and not a Sir. If my memory serves me right he was one game away from getting the sack. Man Utd faced an FA Cup replay (?) against Oldham away. He had been Manager for about two years and Utd hadn't really done very much in that time. The calls for him to go were loud and constant. Maybe if someone searched on Google they could present the facts more accurately. Utd scrapped through 1-0, and the rest as they say, is history. Now, I am not for one minute suggesting that BG will ever get anywhere near eclipsing Sir Alex, but it is worth noting that it took the greatest manager in the history of football in the UK a fair bit of time before he got his team playing the way he wanted. It didn't happen overnight. I’m pretty sure it was Forest away and Coventry manager Mark Robbins got the winner. They went onto win the cup if memory serves me right - ex Gas Lee Martin scoring the winner? Anyway, agree with your point that even the best don’t get it right straight away. BG has had a horrendous start both on and off the pitch but there are signs of better football being played and more chances being created. I’m sure we are not far from things clicking in to place. Hopefully we’ll have a decent finish to the season and then next year, after a full preseason of drilling his methods, we’ll see things really progress.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2020 10:12:36 GMT
Its still modern garbage talk even tho it may work on the green stuff. Its just modern day lingo for the football world force upon us by the over analyzing TV world! Its much like the daft sh** the PC world trys to force upon us in the media in regards to all these different pronouns for all these new genders that come out each week! 78 f**king genders we have now....I mean WTF!😨😴😤😲 There is literally no correlation between your first two sentences and your last one. How is employing a football tactic politically correct? 🤣🤣🤣 Exactly
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Post by pirate on Feb 12, 2020 10:14:11 GMT
This article only gives a glimpse of tactical periodisation so it is difficult to comment on it, however, if Garner is using BRFC as an experiment to see if lower league players can adapt to it or to a model of his own creation, Wael should have prescribed caution. Whatever Garner is trying to do I wish he'd made us relegation proof first. If he succeeds we might just have a Team to remember in the not too distant future. No arguments that it hasn't gone well here for BG for a number of reasons, but forget tactical Periodisation for a second. People don't like it because it's a buzz word from a highly rated coach who hasn't managed/played before
Change tactical periodisation to "The level/style of performance from Coventry is the sort of thing we are trying to achieve/get to" and what would anyone say about that? I suspect most would be happy that was the aim and wouldn't give a sh** about the training methods to achieve it.
Because it hasn't gone well it's just something to attack BG for, for something the fans don't understand.
It might even reduce the ridiculous amount of injuries we get going forward. trainingground.guru/articles/santo-praises-medical-team-for-player-availability
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2020 10:14:56 GMT
This article only gives a glimpse of tactical periodisation so it is difficult to comment on it, however, if Garner is using BRFC as an experiment to see if lower league players can adapt to it or to a model of his own creation, Wael should have prescribed caution. Whatever Garner is trying to do I wish he'd made us relegation proof first. If he succeeds we might just have a Team to remember in the not too distant future. A considered post on this thread...thank you
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Post by wilmslowgas on Feb 12, 2020 11:47:26 GMT
Win on Saturday and we are virtually relegation proof despite the shocking run of points since Christmas.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2020 11:56:30 GMT
Win every game between now and the end of the season and we will make the play offs.
What?
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Post by GasAttacK on Feb 12, 2020 12:11:52 GMT
If you'd asked me a month ago I would have probably said I'd like BG replaced. However, there has been a definite improvement over the past 5 games and some of the players signed in January look promising.
We're not going up and we're not going down so lets give him until the end of the season to see if the improvement continues and whether it will eventually start to produce a few wins.
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Post by Slide away on Feb 12, 2020 12:27:41 GMT
If you'd asked me a month ago I would have probably said I'd like BG replaced. However, there has been a definite improvement over the past 5 games and some of the players signed in January look promising. We're not going up and we're not going down so lets give him until the end of the season to see if the improvement continues and whether it will eventually start to produce a few wins. I think that we as supporters my have let our standards drop a little when considering what improvement looks like- in stages we are playing better football than the Coughlan combative direct style which he employed but lets not forget that the 'improvement' we are seeing has probably just about got us treading water now as Garners first 8 - 10 games were truly appalling and completely clueless. I wonder about the damage that keeping him on will do the club in terms of season ticket sales for next season and completely eroding the feel good factor and togetherness that the players has going through the first half of the season. My personal opinion, we have a President, Chairman and now a Manager that can all talk the talk without actually delivering.
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