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Post by axegas on Mar 25, 2020 23:38:09 GMT
If you think about it, there’s no time limit on when this season has to end. Next season can be rescheduled accordingly, games can be played in the summer like they do in a fair few leagues around Europe and contracts can be extended. Void the season now and you’re effectively saying that all the money that clubs spent on wages/transfers, all the effort put in by players and coaching staff over 2/3 of the season and all the cash spent by fans travelling around the country to see their team means little to nothing at all. We can reconvene and get it all completed when it’s deemed safe by the government and the footballing authorities, there’s nothing stopping us from doing that and for the integrity of the game I think it’s very important that we do so.
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Post by Jomo on Mar 26, 2020 7:39:05 GMT
If you think about it, there’s no time limit on when this season has to end. Next season can be rescheduled accordingly, games can be played in the summer like they do in a fair few leagues around Europe and contracts can be extended. Void the season now and you’re effectively saying that all the money that clubs spent on wages/transfers, all the effort put in by players and coaching staff over 2/3 of the season and all the cash spent by fans travelling around the country to see their team means little to nothing at all. We can reconvene and get it all completed when it’s deemed safe by the government and the footballing authorities, there’s nothing stopping us from doing that and for the integrity of the game I think it’s very important that we do so. Well said!
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Post by chewbacca on Mar 26, 2020 8:47:23 GMT
Can't start the next season until you finish the current in my opinion. This is what I would do; - Finish the current season in the Autumn, complete the promotion, relegation, European places etc - After the Christmas period start a Spring Series from the 1st of December. Half a season playing each team either home or away with no promotion/relegation including teams that were promoted/relegated into that tier following the 19/20. Cups awarded at the end of the season. - Start a fresh from the 21/22 season. Is this a riddle or some sort of nonsense poem? How do you start something after Christmas on the 1st of December? And since when was December spring? Apologies, I meant January 1st. Hope the throne is comfy today, mush.
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Post by SleepyGas on Mar 26, 2020 15:20:26 GMT
It's just been formally announced that non-league steps 3-6 will end the 2019/20 season with no promotions or relegations and all results will have been expunged!
This also means no relegation from step 2 (National League North & National League South).
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Post by gregsy on Mar 26, 2020 16:10:37 GMT
It's just been formally announced that non-league steps 3-6 will end the 2019/20 season with no promotions or relegations and all results will have been expunged! This also means no relegation from step 2 (National League North & National League South). I guess the decision needs to be about giving clubs a clear way to plan their future rather than keeping them hanging on in uncertainty before a decision can be made.... Reminds me of a quote from Withnail and I: "If you're hanging on to a rising balloon, you're presented with a difficult decision - let go before it's too late or hang on and keep getting higher, posing the question: how long can you keep a grip on the rope"?
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Post by warehamgas on Mar 26, 2020 18:22:45 GMT
After reading the articles I’m not sure that non league clubs have agreed to scrap the season. The FA any have decided to scrap it but it’s not clear that all the clubs are in agreement with this. Long way to go with this I suspect. One of the ways around this could have been for the FA board or panel or whoever decides this to have looked at individual leagues do a pools panel exercise or something similar to determine positions. So unfair on certain clubs below the National League who looked certain to gain promotion when being unbeaten so far. It’s a crazy and somewhat lazy way of passing the buck. UTG!
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 26, 2020 19:48:30 GMT
I don't get why any Gashead says that, this season's been god awful, so the sooner it's over the better for us surely. I can't imagine the whole fabric of football will collapse if we do just scrap this season. In some ways it might be better just to start afresh next season in September as life will have changed so much for so many when/if we get to the other side of CV. Looking forward to a new season might be a good thing rather than dragging out last season. When you say scrap the season are you advocating making it void (no promotion, no relegation) or do you just take the positions as they are now (with promotion and relegation) after we “scrap the season”? What’s happening at the moment in football transcends individual clubs and what’s best for them. Yes, in a way I’ll be glad when this season is over but as I responded to you on an earlier thread what’s happening at the moment is far bigger than what individual clubs want. I suspect if we were in the top 3 your opinion would be different. It is important, imo, that we finish this season and then consider what we do with the 20/21 season. This season has already suffered with the Bolton/Bury fiasco to then trump that with abandoning the season would be unfair and bad for the game of football. Your posts on this seem to be completely formed because we’re completely mid table, would you be saying the same if we were in the top 3. UTG! This is a Rovers forum not a general football forum, as I saif as a Gashead the sooner this season is over the better, I'm not sure I'll be looking forward to playing 10 meaningless games if the EFL do decide to continue with this season. As I've also said I feel football is big enough not to totally collapse because the football authorities decide to void this season. Voiding it rather than "fixing" promotion/relegation seems sensible to avoid any litigation. When you look at the hospital being built at the Excel to treat CV patients it brings a bit of prospective into things, what's one voided football season when so many people are clearly going to die in the next few months. In fact why haven't the authorities already made that decision. Starting a new season post CV is probably just what's needed, not dragging out this season for a few more months.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Mar 26, 2020 19:53:19 GMT
No one's saying we have to complete the season or football will totally collapse.
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Post by Feeling The Blues on Mar 26, 2020 20:44:52 GMT
If you’re a Stevenage fan, you must be over the moon. A Barrow fan? Less so. I’ve never liked Barrow since that horrible twat broke Sean Riggs jaw. He wasn’t a Barrow fan just a thug that briefly played for them. How many people hate us for that reason? I like all outpost clubs including Barrow no matter what dicks might play for them once in a while!
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Post by warehamgas on Mar 26, 2020 23:33:35 GMT
When you say scrap the season are you advocating making it void (no promotion, no relegation) or do you just take the positions as they are now (with promotion and relegation) after we “scrap the season”? What’s happening at the moment in football transcends individual clubs and what’s best for them. Yes, in a way I’ll be glad when this season is over but as I responded to you on an earlier thread what’s happening at the moment is far bigger than what individual clubs want. I suspect if we were in the top 3 your opinion would be different. It is important, imo, that we finish this season and then consider what we do with the 20/21 season. This season has already suffered with the Bolton/Bury fiasco to then trump that with abandoning the season would be unfair and bad for the game of football. Your posts on this seem to be completely formed because we’re completely mid table, would you be saying the same if we were in the top 3. UTG! This is a Rovers forum not a general football forum, as I saif as a Gashead the sooner this season is over the better, I'm not sure I'll be looking forward to playing 10 meaningless games if the EFL do decide to continue with this season. As I've also said I feel football is big enough not to totally collapse because the football authorities decide to void this season. Voiding it rather than "fixing" promotion/relegation seems sensible to avoid any litigation. When you look at the hospital being built at the Excel to treat CV patients it brings a bit of prospective into things, what's one voided football season when so many people are clearly going to die in the next few months. In fact why haven't the authorities already made that decision. Starting a new season post CV is probably just what's needed, not dragging out this season for a few more months. Again Topper, read the post! No one is saying that football is more important than CV and everyone has a good perspective and that’s why I’ve said when it is safe to start again we finish the season. Making the whole thing void doesn’t put anything into perspective at all. That’s been done, we’ve stopped the season until it’s safe to start whenever that is, 3, 6 or 9 months time. When it is safe to start we finish the season. As to not looking forward to 10 meaningless games, I can understand that but I guess that’s because we’re mid-table. But that’s just us, others do have something to play for. So from that do you just enjoy the football when we are at the top or bottom but not when we are mid-table with nothing to play for, just “meaningless games”? It was always going to be a dilemma and everyone would have a different opinion, finish the season or not finish the season. And I guess we all have different opinions and mine is different from yours. Anyway, if, as you’ve suggested the season is “scrapped” which could happen would you make it truly void and pretend it never happened, no promotion no relegation or do you see it as being ended when it did and the tables stand as they are? You didn’t answer that question. UTG!
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Post by Marshy on Mar 27, 2020 9:14:16 GMT
I’ve never liked Barrow since that horrible twat broke Sean Riggs jaw. He wasn’t a Barrow fan just a thug that briefly played for them. How many people hate us for that reason? I like all outpost clubs including Barrow no matter what dicks might play for them once in a while! Yes, fair points. 👍
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Mar 27, 2020 11:56:07 GMT
Anyone got a link to the barrow game plesse. I’d like to see the incident as it seem I have been blissfully unaware
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Post by richardstad on Mar 27, 2020 12:00:18 GMT
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 27, 2020 14:43:48 GMT
My local club play in the NW Counties league and have had their season prematurely ended.However they have ground improvements planned which were beginning in May so now bringing them forward.Grants have certainly helped.Do miss being there (when not watching Rovers )though, with an average crowd of 130.Locally also ,Stafford Rangers doomed until a few days ago look as if they have been reprieved. What contractors are going to start a new job now when most of us can only go out for a walk etc once a day? Do these people live in the real world?
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 27, 2020 17:50:40 GMT
View AttachmentChill Topper old chap.New stand will be ready assembled and not delivered until it is safe to do so.Meanwhile the pitch maintenance,painting of changing rooms etc will take place more leisurely now by people well spaced from each other.Thanks for your concern.Nice day here today and think Social distancing being adhered to stringently. How can messing about with a non league football pitch etc be business critical, when all my family are locked in 23/7? It's idiots like that thinking they are safe to work which is leading to 200 people dying in this country today alone.
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Post by yaz on Mar 28, 2020 0:01:18 GMT
Just a query; as the possibility of a season not being completed looms large, what happened during the last 2 world wars when they broke out? I appreciate the wars went on for years, but what were the decisions by the Football League at the beginning of the wars?
If the season is called off, then it may be an idea not to have any promotion or relegation but the points and goal difference (equalised by games played) gets carried forward to start of the new season. Some teams may have had tougher games but as we were into 2/3 of the season, this should be a small factor? If a team has played 10 games and got 15 points and another has played 20 and got 25 points, then the team with 10 games would start with 30 points? A similar equation would be done so that all teams would be calculated as having played 36 games in L1 which was the most played by any team. Rovers earned 45 points from 35 games which is a factor of 9/7 so to make our games equal to 36, we would get an extra 9/7 points.
This, possibly refined further, could form the starting basis of a new season?
UTG
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Post by warehamgas on Mar 28, 2020 15:24:50 GMT
Just a query; as the possibility of a season not being completed looms large, what happened during the last 2 world wars when they broke out? I appreciate the wars went on for years, but what were the decisions by the Football League at the beginning of the wars? If the season is called off, then it may be an idea not to have any promotion or relegation but the points and goal difference (equalised by games played) gets carried forward to start of the new season. Some teams may have had tougher games but as we were into 2/3 of the season, this should be a small factor? If a team has played 10 games and got 15 points and another has played 20 and got 25 points, then the team with 10 games would start with 30 points? A similar equation would be done so that all teams would be calculated as having played 36 games in L1 which was the most played by any team. Rovers earned 45 points from 35 games which is a factor of 9/7 so to make our games equal to 36, we would get an extra 9/7 points. This, possibly refined further, could form the starting basis of a new season? UTG In 1939, because the war broke out on 1/2 September before it had really started it was just stopped I believe, without checking. In 1914 war again started in August / September but not sure what they did. A very different time from now and to stop something before it’s really started is far easier and less problematic than trying to finish a season when more or less 4/5 of the season is completed. Hence the kerfuffle! UTG!
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Post by farmygas on Mar 29, 2020 9:03:11 GMT
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