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Post by axegas on May 24, 2020 10:50:43 GMT
According to Sun journalist Alan Nixon: It's inevitable that they'll twist the knife to such a point when smaller clubs have no choice but to cave in to the demands of the PL, which will undoubtedly be B teams. In some ways I wish they'd just come out with it and get it done, rather than prolonging the agony of waiting for it. If it was a question of the money and accepting B teams in the EFL, I would hope we decline the money. It's not worth it if the PL are only going to use it to get what they want and not consider what might be in the best interest of the clubs. Also how is it fair that Champ clubs get 6 times the funds than we do if this is true? They've got far bigger revenues and fanbases to fall back on than a lot of the smaller clubs in league one and two.
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Post by Jomo on May 24, 2020 11:44:58 GMT
It's inevitable that they'll twist the knife to such a point when smaller clubs have no choice but to cave in to the demands of the PL, which will undoubtedly be B teams. In some ways I wish they'd just come out with it and get it done, rather than prolonging the agony of waiting for it. If it was a question of the money and accepting B teams in the EFL, I would hope we decline the money. It's not worth it if the PL are only going to use it to get what they want and not consider what might be in the best interest of the clubs. Also how is it fair that Champ clubs get 6 times the funds than we do if this is true? They've got far bigger revenues and fanbases to fall back on than a lot of the smaller clubs in league one and two. It's all to cock and my interest in football is rapidly turning into resentment.
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Post by rememberhalifax on May 24, 2020 11:53:13 GMT
Sell our soul for a million quid? no way, a million quid sounds a lot but we could easily raise that as a club if we had to and any way some one in premier will be paying us a lot more than a million for Alfie in the not to distant future!!
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2020 18:33:34 GMT
It's inevitable that they'll twist the knife to such a point when smaller clubs have no choice but to cave in to the demands of the PL, which will undoubtedly be B teams. In some ways I wish they'd just come out with it and get it done, rather than prolonging the agony of waiting for it. If it was a question of the money and accepting B teams in the EFL, I would hope we decline the money. It's not worth it if the PL are only going to use it to get what they want and not consider what might be in the best interest of the clubs. Also how is it fair that Champ clubs get 6 times the funds than we do if this is true? They've got far bigger revenues and fanbases to fall back on than a lot of the smaller clubs in league one and two. The sums are interesting here. 1million pounds would be great for Accrington, they could wring every last penny out of it and probably come out the other end with a promotion winning squad because of how well run they are. In contrast with us we spunk 3 million up the wall each year just keeping the lights on. Imagine being told by the premier league “here’s 1 million pounds, but we want your soul in return”. Our soul in return for a sum that we would burn through in just 4 months? f**k offffffffff And that’s just us, a million pound wouldn’t even touch the sides at Portsmouth and Sunderland and probably Ipswich too. The PL will need to come back with a better offer to get the bigger clubs in league one on board.
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Post by axegas on May 24, 2020 18:43:39 GMT
If it was a question of the money and accepting B teams in the EFL, I would hope we decline the money. It's not worth it if the PL are only going to use it to get what they want and not consider what might be in the best interest of the clubs. Also how is it fair that Champ clubs get 6 times the funds than we do if this is true? They've got far bigger revenues and fanbases to fall back on than a lot of the smaller clubs in league one and two. The sums are interesting here. 1million pounds would be great for Accrington, they could wring every last penny out of it and probably come out the other end with a promotion winning squad because of how well run they are. In contrast with us we spunk 3 million up the wall each year just keeping the lights on. Imagine being told by the premier league “here’s 1 million pounds, but we want your soul in return”. Our soul in return for a sum that we would burn through in just 4 months? f**k offffffffff And that’s just us, a million pound wouldn’t even touch the sides at Portsmouth and Sunderland and probably Ipswich too. The PL will need to come back with a better offer to get the bigger clubs in league one on board. I think it needs to be weighted on Club's revenue to even be slightly fair. In the current scenario the fact that Luton and Wigan for example get an extra £5.5m than us just on the merit of being in a higher league whilst Accrington and Sunderland will get the same despite there being huge differences in finances is just baffling. The money is being distributed because businesses are feeling the severe strain of the current economic situation not because of sporting merit or league status, it needs to reflect that better.
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Post by Topper Gas on May 24, 2020 19:17:56 GMT
If it was a question of the money and accepting B teams in the EFL, I would hope we decline the money. It's not worth it if the PL are only going to use it to get what they want and not consider what might be in the best interest of the clubs. Also how is it fair that Champ clubs get 6 times the funds than we do if this is true? They've got far bigger revenues and fanbases to fall back on than a lot of the smaller clubs in league one and two. The sums are interesting here. 1million pounds would be great for Accrington, they could wring every last penny out of it and probably come out the other end with a promotion winning squad because of how well run they are. In contrast with us we spunk 3 million up the wall each year just keeping the lights on. Imagine being told by the premier league “here’s 1 million pounds, but we want your soul in return”. Our soul in return for a sum that we would burn through in just 4 months? f**k offffffffff And that’s just us, a million pound wouldn’t even touch the sides at Portsmouth and Sunderland and probably Ipswich too. The PL will need to come back with a better offer to get the bigger clubs in league one on board. The Pompey CEO is saying the same about the proposed salary cap, what cap fits Accrington clearly doesn't fit Pompey's. I guess football needs to decide what it want's a strong PL1 & PL2 with L1 & L2 becoming like non league setups, or a strong football structure of all 4 league with the National Leagues still having an incentive to reach the EFL.
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Post by barumgas on Jun 6, 2020 8:56:51 GMT
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Post by peterparker on Jun 6, 2020 9:12:43 GMT
I actually think it makes a bit of sense in Scotland. The average crowd in the bottom divison is 500 and its only Rangers and Celtic really as i dont see the benefits for say Aberdeen Down here though you could easily have a dozen teams wanting a B team and just messing the whole league structure up
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Post by heartofgas on Jun 6, 2020 9:55:47 GMT
Haven’t been on gaschat for a while so just catching up on threads. The referenced mirror article seems like the mirror trying to find something to fill its pages. Dan Ashworth seems to be fond of his Brentisms. I loved the quote “There’s a great phrase… the more resources you have, the more resourceful you become.“. No idea what that means and if it is a great phrase I’ve never heard it.. The other mirror quote I liked was “Ashworth had a hugely successful time at the FA, overseeing St George’s Park and the dramatic improvement of the national team.” Maybe England have improved a bit but I am sure this has nothing to do with Ashworth. Additionally if the National side has dramatically improved then why do we need b teams in the lower leagues. I think Ashworth should also be made aware of Brighton’s recent history. Playing at an athletics track in front of 5k supporters.
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Post by graceyboy on Jun 6, 2020 9:56:44 GMT
Recipe for disaster..
1. Would dramatically reduce top teams loaning their youngsters to us as they would just play in the b team.
2. What happens if a b team gets really good and gets promoted above the senior team?
3. Even though it would start off with man u, Liverpool and Chelsea having b teams in the league, it won't be long before others jump on the band wagon and the league system becomes saturated with them... Example, Bolton or Wigan get taken over by a rich sugar daddy from Russia or the far East who injects a load of money, they shoot up the league system then demand a b team as well.
This cannot work... Look at how it's turned the mickey mouse Cup into even more of a joke than it was before?
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Jun 6, 2020 10:09:52 GMT
2. What happens if a b team gets really good and gets promoted above the senior team? Usually they're not allowed above the third tier, even if they 'win' promotion. Which makes a bit of a mess of the tables, anyway. No idea what would happen if the senior team has a mare and gets relegated to the third tier.
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Post by poorblue on Jun 6, 2020 10:44:03 GMT
The ultimate conclusion to "B" teams is that the existing EFL 1st and 2nd division teams will become the new National league playing in small stadiums and low attendance. This is where the real fans are who support their "local" team by attendance and are not glory hunters watching TV. The existing Prem and Championship "B" teams will be the new 1st and 2nd division playing in the large stadiums and thus increase their turnover even more. Thus the young B players can progress their training to better provide the required standard to compete at the top tier and squad players can keep their fitness whilst not in the first team and injured player get back to fitness. Players would be able to flit between First team and "B" squad at will. Would that work? well its a win/win for the top tiers and a lose/lose for the bottom tiers. It saddens me to see so many young Bristol kids wearing Man Utd , Spurs etc shirts. Accepting there are some non Bristolian footballing fathers living here, it's my way of thinking that Bristolian fathers who do not support either Bristol side by this action who have added to and/or created this monster that is coming the way of "local" teams biting the dust. If the younger fans think the above will not happen this author has been at a Rovers Reserve game with 8000 fans watching in what was called The Combination. If I recall correctly that number was doubled or trebled back in the 1950's when a certain injured Rovers player returned to fitness to play a reserve game. I have never paid for Sky Sport to watch Football nor will I ever. Football to me is an entertainment much more to be enjoyed watched live and a team you support with a passion, and winning of course. I have seen some great games watching Rovers in the Conference and some crap games watching them in the Championship. I have long ago stopped watching free football on the TV (except for the highlights of The Gas) UTG
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Post by heartofgas on Jun 6, 2020 11:43:25 GMT
Maybe being a bit naive but I honestly can’t see this ever happening. I remember the premier league floating the idea of Rangers and Celtic In the premier league. When it became obvious this would just be too difficult to happen they gave up. I think this will go similar way. It’s far simpler for prem teams to loan players to gain experience..
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Post by readinggas on Jun 6, 2020 12:02:53 GMT
Maybe being a bit naive but I honestly can’t see this ever happening. I remember the premier league floating the idea of Rangers and Celtic In the premier league. When it became obvious this would just be too difficult to happen they gave up. I think this will go similar way. It’s far simpler for prem teams to loan players to gain experience..
It's another attempt, I think, to try and shift the Overton Window towards the idea of B teams in the league pyramid no longer being seen as a crazy non-starter for the 'average' fan. We only have to see people going to tinpot cup games against B teams to know there will always be some whose blind loyalty to 'the club' blinkers their outlook towards the bigger picture. The more normalised it becomes, the less resistance it meets.
Stand firm.
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Post by inee on Jun 6, 2020 14:19:08 GMT
I seem to recall the bloke who instigated this cup said that despite boycotts by fans it will go ahead, as he said it was a success, I like many others detest the premier league and want a return to the old system, i.e. 4 divisions, with the championship to decide whether to go along with the pl or to go back to the old system.
Even better would be for clubs to break away from the efl and form a new league as a f**k you thank you for the mess footballs in.
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Post by warehamgas on Jun 6, 2020 15:51:37 GMT
Any money that goes from the PL to the EFL is, as was said some weeks ago, likely to come with conditions. Many if not all clubs in the PL have no interest or concern about League 1 or League 2 clubs. Why would they? They’ve already steamrollered the FA into organising youth football just the way they want it and have hoovered up all the young talent by the age of 18 before they throw many of them out when they aren’t needed. Most of the clubs are foreign owned and not only do they not care about clubs like Rovers, they probably haven’t even heard about us. They have no interest in helping football at our level beyond what is in it for them. They look at the finance pure and simple and how to protect themselves. Hence I’d be more worried about a PL 2 replacing the Championship. That would protect them even after a bad season. (But that’s another thread!) They bribed chairmen regarding the Checkatrade Cup and I fear they will do the same again over places for B teams in league 2. We were always assured that the Checkatrade was not the thin end of the wedge but organisations change, they even lie. I hope the EFL turn this away but in the end the clubs will decide on a vote. But as we’ve seen over the resumption or not debacle in League 1 they can’t even organise that. Self interest will determine what happens not what’s best for the future. Bristol Rovers v Chelsea Reserves. Jeez! How was that allowed to happen?
UTG!
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Post by heartofgas on Jun 6, 2020 18:13:27 GMT
I would agree things have changed for the worse over the time I have been watching football. Money has corrupted the game for the benefit of people who don’t really give a crap about football. Most of this is down to the premier league. The quality of football is better. The quality of footballers playing in the top Flight is better. The stadiums are better. However I enjoyed Top flight football far more (non rovers) in the eighties. There was a genuine feeling it was a competition. Now it’s really a procession between two or three teams ( the freak Leicester season as exception). Football clubs have turned into businesses. Gone are the days of chairman’s having links to the clubs and a trust they are doing the best for clubs. It’s all about tv and money and the fans are a distant thought. Wembley sums it up for me. A nice new stadium, looks goon On telly but the atmosphere is sh*t. I remember going to the old Wembley in 95 and being in awe, it was cavernous and the atmosphere made the hairs on your Neck stand up. The new Wembley isn’t a patch on it. Some of the best atmospheres I have experienced have been at twerton and the mem. Us rovers fans are passionate and have an identity in the club. An identity that money men in the game will never get. I know a Man City fan who basically said it no longer feels like the club he’d been supporting all his life. Maybe we need to be careful what we wish for regards a new stadium. I bet there are City fans from the 80s and 90s that regret the way there club has gone with Bristol sport. I guess things always change.
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