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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Oct 12, 2020 12:46:00 GMT
Like anything, it's good when we are playing well.
v Lincoln, our play was good in parts. We did pass well and the Hare/Daley combo was as good as anything. Our wing backs played an important entertaining role and Hanlan took on the whole team at different points and won! Great stuff. But.... we still concede space with non marking in our own area, Jaak was forced into a tidy save early doors, and we seem vulnerable to direct counter attacks. Also, we have a disproportionate og count this season!
But our style of football v Donny, Ipswich (x2), Southend, Wimbledon, Stevenage etc wasn't so good.
I would prefer is to win more matches even if it is a sacrifice to easy on the eye. We need this style in our armoury as much as anything else......for instance, remember Wembley v Grimsbury? Sometimes results matter..
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Post by Jomo on Oct 12, 2020 12:50:06 GMT
Like anything, it's good when we are playing well. v Lincoln, our play was good in parts. We did pass well and the Hare/Daley combo was as good as anything. Our wing backs played an important entertaining role and Hanlan took on the whole team at different points and won! Great stuff. But.... we still concede space with non marking in our own area, Jaak was forced into a tidy save early doors, and we seem vulnerable to direct counter attacks. Also, we have a disproportionate og count this season! But our style of football v Donny, Ipswich (x2), Southend, Wimbledon, Stevenage etc wasn't so good. I would prefer is to win more matches even if it is a sacrifice to easy on the eye. We need this style in our armoury as much as anything else......for instance, remember Wembley v Grimsbury? Sometimes results matter.. You make some good points, but why do you keep harking back to Southend, Stevenage and Wimbledon? Those matches were a long time ago and lot of water has passed under the bridge since then, so not really worth mentioning in this discussion. Donny and Ipswich, agreed.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Oct 12, 2020 12:53:57 GMT
Like anything, it's good when we are playing well. v Lincoln, our play was good in parts. We did pass well and the Hare/Daley combo was as good as anything. Our wing backs played an important entertaining role and Hanlan took on the whole team at different points and won! Great stuff. But.... we still concede space with non marking in our own area, Jaak was forced into a tidy save early doors, and we seem vulnerable to direct counter attacks. Also, we have a disproportionate og count this season! But our style of football v Donny, Ipswich (x2), Southend, Wimbledon, Stevenage etc wasn't so good. I would prefer is to win more matches even if it is a sacrifice to easy on the eye. We need this style in our armoury as much as anything else......for instance, remember Wembley v Grimsbury? Sometimes results matter.. You make some good points, but why do you keep harking back to Southend, Stevenage and Wimbledon? Those matches were a long time ago and lot of water has passed under the bridge since then, so not really worth mentioning in this discussion. Donny and Ipswich, agreed. ... because the o p didn't put a timeline in and whilst many start and stop history when they want, all matches BG has managed is important to me. Imo. It's an encouraging last few matches performance and results, one can only hope we continue our form.
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Post by Jomo on Oct 12, 2020 12:59:42 GMT
You make some good points, but why do you keep harking back to Southend, Stevenage and Wimbledon? Those matches were a long time ago and lot of water has passed under the bridge since then, so not really worth mentioning in this discussion. Donny and Ipswich, agreed. ... because the o p didn't put a timeline in and whilst many start and stop history when they want, all matches BG has managed is important to me. Imo. It's an encouraging last few matches performance and results, one can only hope we continue our form. I appreciate that all matches are important, but by your logic how far back do we have to go to judge any manager? What about DC? "Yeah he's won back to back promotions, but let's not forget that those performances against Altrincham and Braintree were dire". Surely you have to accept that teams will evolve over time, and performances from several months ago become less and less relevant to the point of being pretty much not worth mentioning. In my opinion it seems like you're hanging onto last seasons form as stick to keep beating BG with. Of course his record last season was awful, but we've now started to finally see some positive performances, so using last seasons performances with a completely different set of players seems a bit OTT in my view.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Oct 12, 2020 13:09:47 GMT
... because the o p didn't put a timeline in and whilst many start and stop history when they want, all matches BG has managed is important to me. Imo. It's an encouraging last few matches performance and results, one can only hope we continue our form. I appreciate that all matches are important, but by your logic how far back do we have to go to judge any manager? What about DC? "Yeah he's won back to back promotions, but let's not forget that those performances against Altrincham and Braintree were dire". Surely you have to accept that teams will evolve over time, and performances from several months ago become less and less relevant to the point of being pretty much not worth mentioning. In my opinion it seems like you're hanging onto last seasons form as stick to keep beating BG with. Of course his record last season was awful, but we've now started to finally see some positive performances, so using last seasons performances with a completely different set of players seems a bit OTT in my view. Well I think that's a bit unfair. But I understand your reasoning. The o p is preferring BG style of football, but equally I could infer that's only the last two matches! I mean, honestly, I haven't seen any match under BG where we have lost, but deserved to win because our football was brilliant. Period. So, to me it is relevant mentioning matches that were only 7 league matches ago. Totally accept your point about Altrincham etc.... actually I was at Braintree, which has probably (up until Northampton match) reminded me of where we were then!? On a side note.....imo, it's no coincidence our attractive style in last few matches has been in some way down to excellent wing backs and starting two strikers. It's greatly helped in this division. So, to go full circle, the matches I listed as not so good we have struggled with an unbalanced 1 or sometimes 0 recognised striker formation.... it's appeared to have taken BG 20+ matches for the penny to drop..
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Post by xenongas on Oct 12, 2020 14:41:08 GMT
I appreciate that all matches are important, but by your logic how far back do we have to go to judge any manager? What about DC? "Yeah he's won back to back promotions, but let's not forget that those performances against Altrincham and Braintree were dire". Surely you have to accept that teams will evolve over time, and performances from several months ago become less and less relevant to the point of being pretty much not worth mentioning. In my opinion it seems like you're hanging onto last seasons form as stick to keep beating BG with. Of course his record last season was awful, but we've now started to finally see some positive performances, so using last seasons performances with a completely different set of players seems a bit OTT in my view. Well I think that's a bit unfair. But I understand your reasoning. The o p is preferring BG style of football, but equally I could infer that's only the last two matches! I mean, honestly, I haven't seen any match under BG where we have lost, but deserved to win because our football was brilliant. Period. So, to me it is relevant mentioning matches that were only 7 league matches ago. Totally accept your point about Altrincham etc.... actually I was at Braintree, which has probably (up until Northampton match) reminded me of where we were then!? On a side note.....imo, it's no coincidence our attractive style in last few matches has been in some way down to excellent wing backs and starting two strikers. It's greatly helped in this division. So, to go full circle, the matches I listed as not so good we have struggled with an unbalanced 1 or sometimes 0 recognised striker formation.... it's appeared to have taken BG 20+ matches for the penny to drop.. The return of Hare has gone under the radar as a big boost I think, although probably just because of Tutonda's good form. He improves the team immeasureably as he also did under GC. I only listened to the Lincoln game on the radio but was Daly an out and out striker or playing off Hanlan from wide as in previous games?
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Oct 12, 2020 14:43:41 GMT
Well I think that's a bit unfair. But I understand your reasoning. The o p is preferring BG style of football, but equally I could infer that's only the last two matches! I mean, honestly, I haven't seen any match under BG where we have lost, but deserved to win because our football was brilliant. Period. So, to me it is relevant mentioning matches that were only 7 league matches ago. Totally accept your point about Altrincham etc.... actually I was at Braintree, which has probably (up until Northampton match) reminded me of where we were then!? On a side note.....imo, it's no coincidence our attractive style in last few matches has been in some way down to excellent wing backs and starting two strikers. It's greatly helped in this division. So, to go full circle, the matches I listed as not so good we have struggled with an unbalanced 1 or sometimes 0 recognised striker formation.... it's appeared to have taken BG 20+ matches for the penny to drop.. The return of Hare has gone under the radar as a big boost I think, although probably just because of Tutonda's good form. He improves the team immeasureably as he also did under GC. I only listened to the Lincoln game on the radio but was Daly an out and out striker or playing off Hanlan from wide as in previous games? Good question and post. Difficult to see on TV but I gave him m o m because he (Daly) appeared to be everywhere in the final third depending on where ball was, including chasing down. He took his goal well. And this was in the classic centre forward position right in front of goal.
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Post by xenongas on Oct 12, 2020 14:58:21 GMT
The return of Hare has gone under the radar as a big boost I think, although probably just because of Tutonda's good form. He improves the team immeasureably as he also did under GC. I only listened to the Lincoln game on the radio but was Daly an out and out striker or playing off Hanlan from wide as in previous games? Good question and post. Difficult to see on TV but I gave him m o m because he (Daly) appeared to be everywhere in the final third depending on where ball was, including chasing down. He took his goal well. And this was in the classic centre forward position right in front of goal. I've found it very frustrating being at the mercy of the cameraman so far this season.
I've liked Daly so far because of his work rate. If I did have a negative it was that he didn't get in those scoring positions enough but as a team we were not getting up the pitch enough before Northampton. So bringing it back to the OP, I don't think the style of play as such has changed since the dark days of Doncaster. But the attacking players are now getting into areas where they can actually do damage so the shots stats etc are rising. Maybe thats because the full backs are driving us up the pitch more than Leahy and in particular Little managed last month which reflects a change of personnel rather than system.
I know its a trope that may trigger but it is still a young team at the start of the season learning their jobs. 5 more games till we can judge properly!
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Post by socrates on Oct 12, 2020 15:21:01 GMT
The return of Hare has gone under the radar as a big boost I think, although probably just because of Tutonda's good form. He improves the team immeasureably as he also did under GC. I only listened to the Lincoln game on the radio but was Daly an out and out striker or playing off Hanlan from wide as in previous games? Good question and post. Difficult to see on TV but I gave him m o m because he (Daly) appeared to be everywhere in the final third depending on where ball was, including chasing down. He took his goal well. And this was in the classic centre forward position right in front of goal. Yeah that’s how I saw it , he played a kind of free attacking role playing off of Hanlan who was a target man. He certainly ran some miles. It worked well both games I just hope they both stay fit as Ayunga is injured.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Oct 12, 2020 15:23:46 GMT
Good question and post. Difficult to see on TV but I gave him m o m because he (Daly) appeared to be everywhere in the final third depending on where ball was, including chasing down. He took his goal well. And this was in the classic centre forward position right in front of goal. Yeah that’s how I saw it , he played a kind of free attacking role playing off of Hanlan who was a target man. He certainly ran some miles. It worked well both games I just hope they both stay fit as Ayunga is injured. Kinda works sometimes when you start two strikers, dunnit?
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Post by socrates on Oct 12, 2020 15:48:18 GMT
Yeah that’s how I saw it , he played a kind of free attacking role playing off of Hanlan who was a target man. He certainly ran some miles. It worked well both games I just hope they both stay fit as Ayunga is injured. Kinda works sometimes when you start two strikers, dunnit? Definitely. 3-5-2 works much better than 3-4-3 for us last season and still this season.
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Post by gassa on Oct 12, 2020 16:29:48 GMT
It's the tikki-takki football that starts with a pass from the keeper and gets to the opposition's six yard box when it's decided by those involved that a shot is not on and then the ball is played all the way back to the keeper and "starts with a pass..." that is hard to swallow. Saturday's game was very entertaining, almost enjoyable (hyperbole) and I thought Lincoln's first touches, on several occasions, were very poor allowing Rovers to win the ball and move forward menacingly. GCs football was nowhere near as poor as the last run of games under DC. In terms of being a fan, that was just going through the motions.
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Post by stuart1974 on Oct 12, 2020 16:33:41 GMT
Apologies if posted elsewhere. Our swallow doesn't make a summer (careful Marshy😀) but it is a positive sign.
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Post by gruad on Oct 12, 2020 22:17:49 GMT
Yes we were in the top four with GC but the football was dire to watch. I hope BG is starting to turn the tide. We may not win the league but at least we can watch football how it should be played. UTFG He saved us. I will always like GC for that. How he won games I dont know? I agree it was absolutely horrible, but he did. Put steel into Rovers when it was needed. Still love the guy!
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Post by socrates on Oct 12, 2020 22:49:14 GMT
Yes we were in the top four with GC but the football was dire to watch. I hope BG is starting to turn the tide. We may not win the league but at least we can watch football how it should be played. UTFG He saved us. I will always like GC for that. How he won games I dont know? I agree it was absolutely horrible, but he did. Put steel into Rovers when it was needed. Still love the guy! We would be playing 4th division football now if it wasn’t for him. A lot of people forget that. Bottom of the league 4 points adrift of 23rd when he took over that was some doing to get us mid table and another great effort the following season. I’ll always be grateful for that.
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Post by yaz on Oct 13, 2020 0:45:06 GMT
gaschat.co.uk/post/661750Great advert for football; Bradford vs Harrogate L2. If Rovers start playing more like Harrogate, it certainly would be a better game to watch? This is Garnerball? UTG
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