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Post by weneedtotalkabouttis on Feb 5, 2021 23:12:48 GMT
Sounds like if it’s a case of ‘I did it this way under Ben’ , then I think we are best rid. I think PT should have his own team around him. If any of the coaching staff are not 100% behind him, they need to go too. Like it or not the staff must recognise he is the manager, back him or go. I couldn’t agree more and the flack Tisdale is getting from certain quarters of the fan base is puzzling considering what he has walked into, knowingly or not. He worked wonders at Exeter playing decent football and got a relegated MKDons promoted the following season. Sacked after nine games for his pains. Give the bloke a chance he has proved he can assemble decent footballing teams unlike Widderington, Mansell and Hargreaves. Exeter fan in peace. Having seen just how quickly things have gone sour for our former Messiah, I thought I'd help clear up a few misconceptions that a lot of you guys seem to have about PT and to let you know how I feel things might turn out for you. Firstly to address the remarks above. 'Tisdale worked wonders at Exeter playing decent football'. Sorry, but that is a myth, or at the very least only indicative of his first 4 or 5 of 12 years at Exeter. He was initially successful and we did play some good passing football at times. However the last 7 years was often turgid, negative hoofball, characterised by regularly and inexplicably playing players out of position. A favourite tactic was to squeeze as many defenders into the starting line up as possible - like 5 at the back, 2 more in midfield and one up front! Alternatively, playing 5 or 6 central midfielders, in both midfield, full back and cente back, guaranteeing no width whatsoever. I suspect you have already seen enough to be able to relate to this. As for the praise for the MK promotion season, I'd suggest reading their fans forum to see how they felt about it. They just scraped up, finishing third and playing mostly dire, negative football despite having a huge budget and players who were just far too good for league two (Kieran Agard, Chuks Aneke, Alex Gilbey, Dean Lewington, Russell Martin & David Wheeler to name but a few). A demented chimp could have got that side out of league two, so slim praise at best for this 'achievement'. The psycho babble, business talk, bullsh!t interviews were always a trademark, through the good times and the bad. As the pressure ramps up, you can look forward to them becoming ever more obscure and divorced from reality. Don't ever expect an apology, or even PT accepting any blame personally. His ego simply won't allow it. It takes a thrashing before he'll even admit that perhaps his team didn't play well. If it wasn't for the empty stadiums, he'd be blaming the fans by now, as he did on more than one occasion at Exeter. I've also seen quite a few posters saying that they thought from his body language and general demeanor that he may be about to fall on his sword. I accept that this may have been more in hope than expectation but again, history tells you that this simply won't happen. When PT nearly took Exeter back to non league after our relegation to league two, we'd managed just one home win in over 11 months and at one point managed just one shot on target in total across 4 consecutive home games. Fans were restless but Tis saw no reason to leave and in the end, we endured him for another few years after that. PT is a lot of things but stupid isn't one of them. He knows that without some success, this is probably his last job as a football league manager. The only way he'll leave is if his 2.5 year contract is paid up in full. If he is still with you come next season, you should expect to see some (all?) of the following suspects arrive to join his backroom team.... Steve Perryman Danny Butterfield Matt Oakley Ryan Harley Mel Gwinnett Oops, ignore that last one, he's already with you! And not even as a GK coach, which is all he really is. Good luck with that. And good luck with recruitment of new players too. Tis has always liked players he's already worked with. There's nothing intrinsically wrong with that, but I remember one game in the latter years when we started the game with 8(!) players he'd resigned after having played for him before. So I'm sure you'll see some old Exeter boys rocking up soon enough. Hiram Boateng and Jordan Moore Taylor could be the first two. I hope your treatment room is big enough..... Despite everything I've said there, I think it would be madness to sack him now. You might as well stick with him until the end of the season and reassess. He does have know-how and ability, so maybe, just maybe, he can get enough points to keep you up.
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Post by rememberhalifax on Feb 6, 2021 5:27:14 GMT
Wow, that's an interesting view from our Exeter friend, i always thought that Paul Tisdale was a hero down there but apparently not. He certainly raises some doubts about his suitability for the job and the more i listen to PTs interviews the more i can see where the poster is coming from, hope PT can prove him wrong but even this rose tinter is beginning to worry.
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Post by gulfofaden on Feb 6, 2021 6:49:44 GMT
I couldn’t agree more and the flack Tisdale is getting from certain quarters of the fan base is puzzling considering what he has walked into, knowingly or not. He worked wonders at Exeter playing decent football and got a relegated MKDons promoted the following season. Sacked after nine games for his pains. Give the bloke a chance he has proved he can assemble decent footballing teams unlike Widderington, Mansell and Hargreaves. Exeter fan in peace. Having seen just how quickly things have gone sour for our former Messiah, I thought I'd help clear up a few misconceptions that a lot of you guys seem to have about PT and to let you know how I feel things might turn out for you. Firstly to address the remarks above. 'Tisdale worked wonders at Exeter playing decent football'. Sorry, but that is a myth, or at the very least only indicative of his first 4 or 5 of 12 years at Exeter. He was initially successful and we did play some good passing football at times. However the last 7 years was often turgid, negative hoofball, characterised by regularly and inexplicably playing players out of position. A favourite tactic was to squeeze as many defenders into the starting line up as possible - like 5 at the back, 2 more in midfield and one up front! Alternatively, playing 5 or 6 central midfielders, in both midfield, full back and cente back, guaranteeing no width whatsoever. I suspect you have already seen enough to be able to relate to this. As for the praise for the MK promotion season, I'd suggest reading their fans forum to see how they felt about it. They just scraped up, finishing third and playing mostly dire, negative football despite having a huge budget and players who were just far too good for league two (Kieran Agard, Chuks Aneke, Alex Gilbey, Dean Lewington, Russell Martin & David Wheeler to name but a few). A demented chimp could have got that side out of league two, so slim praise at best for this 'achievement'. The psycho babble, business talk, bullsh!t interviews were always a trademark, through the good times and the bad. As the pressure ramps up, you can look forward to them becoming ever more obscure and divorced from reality. Don't ever expect an apology, or even PT accepting any blame personally. His ego simply won't allow it. It takes a thrashing before he'll even admit that perhaps his team didn't play well. If it wasn't for the empty stadiums, he'd be blaming the fans by now, as he did on more than one occasion at Exeter. I've also seen quite a few posters saying that they thought from his body language and general demeanor that he may be about to fall on his sword. I accept that this may have been more in hope than expectation but again, history tells you that this simply won't happen. When PT nearly took Exeter back to non league after our relegation to league two, we'd managed just one home win in over 11 months and at one point managed just one shot on target in total across 4 consecutive home games. Fans were restless but Tis saw no reason to leave and in the end, we endured him for another few years after that. PT is a lot of things but stupid isn't one of them. He knows that without some success, this is probably his last job as a football league manager. The only way he'll leave is if his 2.5 year contract is paid up in full. If he is still with you come next season, you should expect to see some (all?) of the following suspects arrive to join his backroom team.... Steve Perryman Danny Butterfield Matt Oakley Ryan Harley Mel Gwinnett Oops, ignore that last one, he's already with you! And not even as a GK coach, which is all he really is. Good luck with that. And good luck with recruitment of new players too. Tis has always liked players he's already worked with. There's nothing intrinsically wrong with that, but I remember one game in the latter years when we started the game with 8(!) players he'd resigned after having played for him before. So I'm sure you'll see some old Exeter boys rocking up soon enough. Hiram Boateng and Jordan Moore Taylor could be the first two. I hope your treatment room is big enough..... Despite everything I've said there, I think it would be madness to sack him now. You might as well stick with him until the end of the season and reassess. He does have know-how and ability, so maybe, just maybe, he can get enough points to keep you up. Thanks for your input. My only comments really are that as an executive (sorry that sounds cringe) he sounds EXACTLY like a lot of people I work with. He sounds more business than football. In a way I kind of like it, it’s a refreshing change to have someone professional sounding than “the boys done good and we asked for 110%” The only thing I would disagree with here is I don’t feel PT media has been divorced from reality, far from it, I’ve mainly thought he’s been watching the same game we did. I think a lot of lower league fans were quite envious of Tis at exeter. He did seem to work wonders there....I get that it wasn’t the case but I would counter this by saying ALL fans of all clubs would have a sizeable percentage who have issues with any manager who’s been there a few years. Our own Darryl Clarke got us promoted, twice, back to back, playing quite good football, and we had a lot of detractors - plays a squad game too much, should play x formation etc. Football is a game of opinions and part of the fun is thinking you could do it better despite having no qualifications, experience, or in most cases, any talent. Nor any knowledge of dressing room character, fitness, internal working of the club. Tons of players get in sides because they train well, work hard for the club and have huge personalities....yet fans be like “why you playing him again” I don’t doubt all you have said is true, I’m just saying any manager with 12 years is gonna have a lot fans wanting him to change.
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Post by henry on Feb 6, 2021 8:16:44 GMT
I couldn’t agree more and the flack Tisdale is getting from certain quarters of the fan base is puzzling considering what he has walked into, knowingly or not. He worked wonders at Exeter playing decent football and got a relegated MKDons promoted the following season. Sacked after nine games for his pains. Give the bloke a chance he has proved he can assemble decent footballing teams unlike Widderington, Mansell and Hargreaves. Exeter fan in peace. Having seen just how quickly things have gone sour for our former Messiah, I thought I'd help clear up a few misconceptions that a lot of you guys seem to have about PT and to let you know how I feel things might turn out for you. Firstly to address the remarks above. 'Tisdale worked wonders at Exeter playing decent football'. Sorry, but that is a myth, or at the very least only indicative of his first 4 or 5 of 12 years at Exeter. He was initially successful and we did play some good passing football at times. However the last 7 years was often turgid, negative hoofball, characterised by regularly and inexplicably playing players out of position. A favourite tactic was to squeeze as many defenders into the starting line up as possible - like 5 at the back, 2 more in midfield and one up front! Alternatively, playing 5 or 6 central midfielders, in both midfield, full back and cente back, guaranteeing no width whatsoever. I suspect you have already seen enough to be able to relate to this. As for the praise for the MK promotion season, I'd suggest reading their fans forum to see how they felt about it. They just scraped up, finishing third and playing mostly dire, negative football despite having a huge budget and players who were just far too good for league two (Kieran Agard, Chuks Aneke, Alex Gilbey, Dean Lewington, Russell Martin & David Wheeler to name but a few). A demented chimp could have got that side out of league two, so slim praise at best for this 'achievement'. The psycho babble, business talk, bullsh!t interviews were always a trademark, through the good times and the bad. As the pressure ramps up, you can look forward to them becoming ever more obscure and divorced from reality. Don't ever expect an apology, or even PT accepting any blame personally. His ego simply won't allow it. It takes a thrashing before he'll even admit that perhaps his team didn't play well. If it wasn't for the empty stadiums, he'd be blaming the fans by now, as he did on more than one occasion at Exeter. I've also seen quite a few posters saying that they thought from his body language and general demeanor that he may be about to fall on his sword. I accept that this may have been more in hope than expectation but again, history tells you that this simply won't happen. When PT nearly took Exeter back to non league after our relegation to league two, we'd managed just one home win in over 11 months and at one point managed just one shot on target in total across 4 consecutive home games. Fans were restless but Tis saw no reason to leave and in the end, we endured him for another few years after that. PT is a lot of things but stupid isn't one of them. He knows that without some success, this is probably his last job as a football league manager. The only way he'll leave is if his 2.5 year contract is paid up in full. If he is still with you come next season, you should expect to see some (all?) of the following suspects arrive to join his backroom team.... Steve Perryman Danny Butterfield Matt Oakley Ryan Harley Mel Gwinnett Oops, ignore that last one, he's already with you! And not even as a GK coach, which is all he really is. Good luck with that. And good luck with recruitment of new players too. Tis has always liked players he's already worked with. There's nothing intrinsically wrong with that, but I remember one game in the latter years when we started the game with 8(!) players he'd resigned after having played for him before. So I'm sure you'll see some old Exeter boys rocking up soon enough. Hiram Boateng and Jordan Moore Taylor could be the first two. I hope your treatment room is big enough..... Despite everything I've said there, I think it would be madness to sack him now. You might as well stick with him until the end of the season and reassess. He does have know-how and ability, so maybe, just maybe, he can get enough points to keep you up. Well that’s a bitter one side assumption of the most successful manager in Exeter’s history. That turgent, negative football he persisted with that you mention in his last seven years at the club, is that the same style of football that got Exeter to two consecutive play off finals in the 16/17 and 17/18 seasons? They were unlucky in the 2017 final if I remember. Considering Exeter is a community owned club and money not in abundance I do think he done wonders with the resources he had mixing free transfers with youth. I remember exeter had a liking for Bristol City’s cast offs at one time so perhaps we can look forward to a couple of those as well, that’ll please the natives! You could quite easily be a Rovers supporter describing Darrel Clarke or Graham Coughlan on a rivals fans forum forgetting what they achieved at this shambles of a football club so that is why I will take no notice and see what the future brings. You may well be right. Regarding Steve Perryman and all he done at Exeter, is that a myth also?
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Post by henry on Feb 6, 2021 8:25:32 GMT
Exeter fan in peace. Having seen just how quickly things have gone sour for our former Messiah, I thought I'd help clear up a few misconceptions that a lot of you guys seem to have about PT and to let you know how I feel things might turn out for you. Firstly to address the remarks above. 'Tisdale worked wonders at Exeter playing decent football'. Sorry, but that is a myth, or at the very least only indicative of his first 4 or 5 of 12 years at Exeter. He was initially successful and we did play some good passing football at times. However the last 7 years was often turgid, negative hoofball, characterised by regularly and inexplicably playing players out of position. A favourite tactic was to squeeze as many defenders into the starting line up as possible - like 5 at the back, 2 more in midfield and one up front! Alternatively, playing 5 or 6 central midfielders, in both midfield, full back and cente back, guaranteeing no width whatsoever. I suspect you have already seen enough to be able to relate to this. As for the praise for the MK promotion season, I'd suggest reading their fans forum to see how they felt about it. They just scraped up, finishing third and playing mostly dire, negative football despite having a huge budget and players who were just far too good for league two (Kieran Agard, Chuks Aneke, Alex Gilbey, Dean Lewington, Russell Martin & David Wheeler to name but a few). A demented chimp could have got that side out of league two, so slim praise at best for this 'achievement'. The psycho babble, business talk, bullsh!t interviews were always a trademark, through the good times and the bad. As the pressure ramps up, you can look forward to them becoming ever more obscure and divorced from reality. Don't ever expect an apology, or even PT accepting any blame personally. His ego simply won't allow it. It takes a thrashing before he'll even admit that perhaps his team didn't play well. If it wasn't for the empty stadiums, he'd be blaming the fans by now, as he did on more than one occasion at Exeter. I've also seen quite a few posters saying that they thought from his body language and general demeanor that he may be about to fall on his sword. I accept that this may have been more in hope than expectation but again, history tells you that this simply won't happen. When PT nearly took Exeter back to non league after our relegation to league two, we'd managed just one home win in over 11 months and at one point managed just one shot on target in total across 4 consecutive home games. Fans were restless but Tis saw no reason to leave and in the end, we endured him for another few years after that. PT is a lot of things but stupid isn't one of them. He knows that without some success, this is probably his last job as a football league manager. The only way he'll leave is if his 2.5 year contract is paid up in full. If he is still with you come next season, you should expect to see some (all?) of the following suspects arrive to join his backroom team.... Steve Perryman Danny Butterfield Matt Oakley Ryan Harley Mel Gwinnett Oops, ignore that last one, he's already with you! And not even as a GK coach, which is all he really is. Good luck with that. And good luck with recruitment of new players too. Tis has always liked players he's already worked with. There's nothing intrinsically wrong with that, but I remember one game in the latter years when we started the game with 8(!) players he'd resigned after having played for him before. So I'm sure you'll see some old Exeter boys rocking up soon enough. Hiram Boateng and Jordan Moore Taylor could be the first two. I hope your treatment room is big enough..... Despite everything I've said there, I think it would be madness to sack him now. You might as well stick with him until the end of the season and reassess. He does have know-how and ability, so maybe, just maybe, he can get enough points to keep you up. Thanks for your input. My only comments really are that as an executive (sorry that sounds cringe) he sounds EXACTLY like a lot of people I work with. He sounds more business than football. In a way I kind of like it, it’s a refreshing change to have someone professional sounding than “the boys done good and we asked for 110%” The only thing I would disagree with here is I don’t feel PT media has been divorced from reality, far from it, I’ve mainly thought he’s been watching the same game we did. I think a lot of lower league fans were quite envious of Tis at exeter. He did seem to work wonders there....I get that it wasn’t the case but I would counter this by saying ALL fans of all clubs would have a sizeable percentage who have issues with any manager who’s been there a few years. Our own Darryl Clarke got us promoted, twice, back to back, playing quite good football, and we had a lot of detractors - plays a squad game too much, should play x formation etc. Football is a game of opinions and part of the fun is thinking you could do it better despite having no qualifications, experience, or in most cases, any talent. Nor any knowledge of dressing room character, fitness, internal working of the club. Tons of players get in sides because they train well, work hard for the club and have huge personalities....yet fans be like “why you playing him again” I don’t doubt all you have said is true, I’m just saying any manager with 12 years is gonna have a lot fans wanting him to change. Well put. ‘Exeter supporter in peace’ has a one sided convenient memory by the sounds of it, much like many on here regarding Clarke and Coughlan.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2021 8:29:09 GMT
Exeter fan in peace. Having seen just how quickly things have gone sour for our former Messiah, I thought I'd help clear up a few misconceptions that a lot of you guys seem to have about PT and to let you know how I feel things might turn out for you. Firstly to address the remarks above. 'Tisdale worked wonders at Exeter playing decent football'. Sorry, but that is a myth, or at the very least only indicative of his first 4 or 5 of 12 years at Exeter. He was initially successful and we did play some good passing football at times. However the last 7 years was often turgid, negative hoofball, characterised by regularly and inexplicably playing players out of position. A favourite tactic was to squeeze as many defenders into the starting line up as possible - like 5 at the back, 2 more in midfield and one up front! Alternatively, playing 5 or 6 central midfielders, in both midfield, full back and cente back, guaranteeing no width whatsoever. I suspect you have already seen enough to be able to relate to this. As for the praise for the MK promotion season, I'd suggest reading their fans forum to see how they felt about it. They just scraped up, finishing third and playing mostly dire, negative football despite having a huge budget and players who were just far too good for league two (Kieran Agard, Chuks Aneke, Alex Gilbey, Dean Lewington, Russell Martin & David Wheeler to name but a few). A demented chimp could have got that side out of league two, so slim praise at best for this 'achievement'. The psycho babble, business talk, bullsh!t interviews were always a trademark, through the good times and the bad. As the pressure ramps up, you can look forward to them becoming ever more obscure and divorced from reality. Don't ever expect an apology, or even PT accepting any blame personally. His ego simply won't allow it. It takes a thrashing before he'll even admit that perhaps his team didn't play well. If it wasn't for the empty stadiums, he'd be blaming the fans by now, as he did on more than one occasion at Exeter. I've also seen quite a few posters saying that they thought from his body language and general demeanor that he may be about to fall on his sword. I accept that this may have been more in hope than expectation but again, history tells you that this simply won't happen. When PT nearly took Exeter back to non league after our relegation to league two, we'd managed just one home win in over 11 months and at one point managed just one shot on target in total across 4 consecutive home games. Fans were restless but Tis saw no reason to leave and in the end, we endured him for another few years after that. PT is a lot of things but stupid isn't one of them. He knows that without some success, this is probably his last job as a football league manager. The only way he'll leave is if his 2.5 year contract is paid up in full. If he is still with you come next season, you should expect to see some (all?) of the following suspects arrive to join his backroom team.... Steve Perryman Danny Butterfield Matt Oakley Ryan Harley Mel Gwinnett Oops, ignore that last one, he's already with you! And not even as a GK coach, which is all he really is. Good luck with that. And good luck with recruitment of new players too. Tis has always liked players he's already worked with. There's nothing intrinsically wrong with that, but I remember one game in the latter years when we started the game with 8(!) players he'd resigned after having played for him before. So I'm sure you'll see some old Exeter boys rocking up soon enough. Hiram Boateng and Jordan Moore Taylor could be the first two. I hope your treatment room is big enough..... Despite everything I've said there, I think it would be madness to sack him now. You might as well stick with him until the end of the season and reassess. He does have know-how and ability, so maybe, just maybe, he can get enough points to keep you up. Well that’s a bitter one side assumption of the most successful manager in Exeter’s history. That turgent, negative football he persisted with that you mention in his last seven years at the club, is that the same style of football that got Exeter to two consecutive play off finals in the 16/17 and 17/18 seasons? They were unlucky in the 2017 final if I remember. Considering Exeter is a community owned club and money not in abundance I do think he done wonders with the resources he had mixing free transfers with youth. I remember exeter had a liking for Bristol City’s cast offs at one time so perhaps we can look forward to a couple of those as well, that’ll please the natives! You could quite easily be a Rovers supporter describing Darrel Clarke or Graham Coughlan on a rivals fans forum forgetting what they achieved at this shambles of a football club so that is why I will take no notice and see what the future brings. You may well be right. Regarding Steve Perryman and all he done at Exeter, is that a myth also? Henry, I had doubts about this poster as soon as I saw one of his posts. In one evening he has posted on three different threads slagging Tisdale off. Strange how he has suddenly appeared claiming to be an Exeter fan and quite prepared to troll threads on this forum. Agree with all you say about his time at Exeter. I would suggest far from being an Exeter supporter, he may well be a lot closer to us than we are led to believe. And by that I don't mean from the crowd south of the city.
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Post by henry on Feb 6, 2021 8:31:54 GMT
Wow, that's an interesting view from our Exeter friend, i always thought that Paul Tisdale was a hero down there but apparently not. He certainly raises some doubts about his suitability for the job and the more i listen to PTs interviews the more i can see where the poster is coming from, hope PT can prove him wrong but even this rose tinter is beginning to worry. The point he made which struck me as being a touch odd is that there is very little praise for what he achieved at Exeter. He said that in the last seven years of Tisdale tenure those poor Exeter supporters had to endure poor turgent football but that included two Wembley play off final visits in 2017 and 2018! Very unlucky to lose to Blackpool in 2017 by the way. The trouble with his appointment here at Rovers is the mess he has inherited, both on and off the pitch. And he isn’t no Darrel Clarke by the sounds of it unfortunately.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Feb 6, 2021 8:35:15 GMT
I knew that was more to it with David Coles. He was pushed out. That much is obvious, now.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2021 8:40:23 GMT
I knew that was more to it with David Coles. He was pushed out. That much is obvious, now. Based on what?
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Post by carlts2020 on Feb 6, 2021 8:43:28 GMT
Wow, that's an interesting view from our Exeter friend, i always thought that Paul Tisdale was a hero down there but apparently not. He certainly raises some doubts about his suitability for the job and the more i listen to PTs interviews the more i can see where the poster is coming from, hope PT can prove him wrong but even this rose tinter is beginning to worry. The point he made which struck me as being a touch odd is that there is very little praise for what he achieved at Exeter. He said that in the last seven years of Tisdale tenure those poor Exeter supporters had to endure poor turgent football but that included two Wembley play off final visits in 2017 and 2018! Very unlucky to lose to Blackpool in 2017 by the way. The trouble with his appointment here at Rovers is the mess he has inherited, both on and off the pitch. And he isn’t no Darrel Clarke by the sounds of it unfortunately. Mess on and off the pitch? It’s widely reported and recognised, even by Wael that Garner made huge improvements off the pitch in terms of personnel and process. Coupled with walking into the quarters rather than the muddy school field we had previously I would say Tisdale has walked into he best off pitch set up the Gas have ever had
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Post by henry on Feb 6, 2021 9:26:55 GMT
The point he made which struck me as being a touch odd is that there is very little praise for what he achieved at Exeter. He said that in the last seven years of Tisdale tenure those poor Exeter supporters had to endure poor turgent football but that included two Wembley play off final visits in 2017 and 2018! Very unlucky to lose to Blackpool in 2017 by the way. The trouble with his appointment here at Rovers is the mess he has inherited, both on and off the pitch. And he isn’t no Darrel Clarke by the sounds of it unfortunately. Mess on and off the pitch? It’s widely reported and recognised, even by Wael that Garner made huge improvements off the pitch in terms of personnel and process. Coupled with walking into the quarters rather than the muddy school field we had previously I would say Tisdale has walked into he best off pitch set up the Gas have ever had I’m not seeing any of that. Granted the new training centre but that was in the pipeline long before Garner, advocated and pursued by Darrel for a long time. Is it up and ready yet as I genuinely don’t know.
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Post by carlts2020 on Feb 6, 2021 9:48:17 GMT
Mess on and off the pitch? It’s widely reported and recognised, even by Wael that Garner made huge improvements off the pitch in terms of personnel and process. Coupled with walking into the quarters rather than the muddy school field we had previously I would say Tisdale has walked into he best off pitch set up the Gas have ever had I’m not seeing any of that. Granted the new training centre but that was in the pipeline long before Garner, advocated and pursued by Darrel for a long time. Is it up and ready yet as I genuinely don’t know. The training ground is 100% definite as we have seen photos of them training. Less than a year ago we trained in a sports hall of the weather was bad. In terms of back room staff... www.bristolrovers.co.uk/teams/staff-profiles/We have analysts, nutritionists, therapists, sport scientists etc. As a league one club the training facilities and back room staff doesn’t get much better
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Post by gulfofaden on Feb 6, 2021 9:49:14 GMT
The point he made which struck me as being a touch odd is that there is very little praise for what he achieved at Exeter. He said that in the last seven years of Tisdale tenure those poor Exeter supporters had to endure poor turgent football but that included two Wembley play off final visits in 2017 and 2018! Very unlucky to lose to Blackpool in 2017 by the way. The trouble with his appointment here at Rovers is the mess he has inherited, both on and off the pitch. And he isn’t no Darrel Clarke by the sounds of it unfortunately. Mess on and off the pitch? It’s widely reported and recognised, even by Wael that Garner made huge improvements off the pitch in terms of personnel and process. Coupled with walking into the quarters rather than the muddy school field we had previously I would say Tisdale has walked into he best off pitch set up the Gas have ever had Walking into the best off pitch set up the Gas has ever had is like walking in to Antarctica’s hottest day.
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Post by carlts2020 on Feb 6, 2021 9:59:52 GMT
Mess on and off the pitch? It’s widely reported and recognised, even by Wael that Garner made huge improvements off the pitch in terms of personnel and process. Coupled with walking into the quarters rather than the muddy school field we had previously I would say Tisdale has walked into he best off pitch set up the Gas have ever had Walking into the best off pitch set up the Gas has ever had is like walking in to Antarctica’s hottest day. Genuinely the off pitch team and training ground is decent. What we need now is Ian Holloway as Director of Football, a new CEO and a young up and coming manager selected and backed by Olly. All very much doable and in the realms of possibility
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Post by gulfofaden on Feb 6, 2021 10:15:52 GMT
Walking into the best off pitch set up the Gas has ever had is like walking in to Antarctica’s hottest day. Genuinely the off pitch team and training ground is decent. What we need now is Ian Holloway as Director of Football, a new CEO and a young up and coming manager selected and backed by Olly. All very much doable and in the realms of possibility Not Olly for me. He’s a romantic figure in Rovers history but I don’t think he’s either of a very good manager, nor am I convinced is he that potent an asset in terms of PR. He’s almost a comedy figure outside of Rovers. I’d like him involved but not running the club in any way. Plus he’s pretty old now. Still, my all time Rovers hero, but we have to divorce that from the realities of commercial recruitment
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Post by warehamgas on Feb 6, 2021 10:16:06 GMT
Well that’s a bitter one side assumption of the most successful manager in Exeter’s history. That turgent, negative football he persisted with that you mention in his last seven years at the club, is that the same style of football that got Exeter to two consecutive play off finals in the 16/17 and 17/18 seasons? They were unlucky in the 2017 final if I remember. Considering Exeter is a community owned club and money not in abundance I do think he done wonders with the resources he had mixing free transfers with youth. I remember exeter had a liking for Bristol City’s cast offs at one time so perhaps we can look forward to a couple of those as well, that’ll please the natives! You could quite easily be a Rovers supporter describing Darrel Clarke or Graham Coughlan on a rivals fans forum forgetting what they achieved at this shambles of a football club so that is why I will take no notice and see what the future brings. You may well be right. Regarding Steve Perryman and all he done at Exeter, is that a myth also? Henry, I had doubts about this poster as soon as I saw one of his posts. In one evening he has posted on three different threads slagging Tisdale off. Strange how he has suddenly appeared claiming to be an Exeter fan and quite prepared to troll threads on this forum. Agree with all you say about his time at Exeter. I would suggest far from being an Exeter supporter, he may well be a lot closer to us than we are led to believe. And by that I don't mean from the crowd south of the city. Thanks bideford, saved me saying that. Hardly Exeter fan in peace more Tisdale-hating and very bitter poster. I get it that some don’t like Tisdale but at least try and be fair. Tisdale was a very successful manager for Exeter, without him they may still have been stumbling around the National League like Wrexham and others. We can usually argue amongst ourselves without other clubs fans coming on here and fanning the flames. But as you say bideford, perhaps he’s just someone nothing to do with Exeter who’s stirring up. UTG!
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Post by henry on Feb 6, 2021 10:31:27 GMT
I’m not seeing any of that. Granted the new training centre but that was in the pipeline long before Garner, advocated and pursued by Darrel for a long time. Is it up and ready yet as I genuinely don’t know. The training ground is 100% definite as we have seen photos of them training. Less than a year ago we trained in a sports hall of the weather was bad. In terms of back room staff... www.bristolrovers.co.uk/teams/staff-profiles/We have analysts, nutritionists, therapists, sport scientists etc. As a league one club the training facilities and back room staff doesn’t get much better Correct me if I’m wrong but from memory, which does desert me at times, Darrel advocated a lot of the actions put in plan since his departure especially the training ground which was promised to him but only came to fruit under Garner. The backroom staff appear to be very overloaded for a third division club losing £65,000 a week and going backwards in terms of progress.
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Post by carlts2020 on Feb 6, 2021 10:44:12 GMT
The training ground is 100% definite as we have seen photos of them training. Less than a year ago we trained in a sports hall of the weather was bad. In terms of back room staff... www.bristolrovers.co.uk/teams/staff-profiles/We have analysts, nutritionists, therapists, sport scientists etc. As a league one club the training facilities and back room staff doesn’t get much better Correct me if I’m wrong but from memory, which does desert me at times, Darrel advocated a lot of the actions put in plan since his departure especially the training ground which was promised to him but only came to fruit under Garner. The backroom staff appear to be very overloaded for a third division club losing £65,000 a week and going backwards in terms of progress. I agree Darrell advocated it. I also think as a lot of the nutritionists / analysts / sports scientists etc came in to the club in the last 12 months we need longer to assess their impact. My point was Tisdale has what Garner, Coughlan and Clarke didn’t...he has excellent facilities to work with.
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Post by henry on Feb 6, 2021 10:49:36 GMT
Correct me if I’m wrong but from memory, which does desert me at times, Darrel advocated a lot of the actions put in plan since his departure especially the training ground which was promised to him but only came to fruit under Garner. The backroom staff appear to be very overloaded for a third division club losing £65,000 a week and going backwards in terms of progress. I agree Darrell advocated it. I also think as a lot of the nutritionists / analysts / sports scientists etc came in to the club in the last 12 months we need longer to assess their impact. My point was Tisdale has what Garner, Coughlan and Clarke didn’t...he has excellent facilities to work with. Garner had the services of these professionals as you said he helped to set it up but Tisdale has only been in the job five minutes which begs the question why is he getting so much flack with this professional set up already up and running? Is he to blame for this set up failing as well?
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Post by carlts2020 on Feb 6, 2021 10:58:12 GMT
I agree Darrell advocated it. I also think as a lot of the nutritionists / analysts / sports scientists etc came in to the club in the last 12 months we need longer to assess their impact. My point was Tisdale has what Garner, Coughlan and Clarke didn’t...he has excellent facilities to work with. Garner had the services of these professionals as you said he helped to set it up but Tisdale has only been in the job five minutes which begs the question why is he getting so much flack with this professional set up already up and running? Is he to blame for this set up failing as well? I think Garner had 3 weeks at the new training ground. Tisdale has had 17 games in charge...hardly 5 minutes. With the existing set up Tisdale won 3 games in a row...he brings in his old mate Gwinnett and we win 1 out of the next 10. Not rocket science
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