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Post by gulfofaden on Mar 7, 2021 6:19:25 GMT
Barton is 38 I think and hasn’t played competitive football in a couple of years. It would probably take 2 months to get him Fit enough, unless he’s been training like a pro, which I doubt given he’s a manager.
As we saw with Tom Davies....match fitness takes a while. You don’t just come back from the sidelines to the first team.
I don’t think Joey would be worth the effort. The only player I would take coming out of retirement is a goal scorer. That’s the one talent which we sorely lack and can’t be developed quickly.
Joey would be “nice to have” but I think his ship has sailed.
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Post by Icegas on Mar 7, 2021 6:39:41 GMT
Why is anyone even questioning whether Joey will be here next season?
He has shown more in four games here than BG and PT did in a season and a half between them.You can see what he is doing, but he has just basically taken over a poor team with no windows to improve it.
I'm very impressed with everything about JB.
I also don't see why JB would leave even if we go down to league Two..
He brought into the long term vision and potential of our club which outside a few top end L1 clubs could be as exciting as any club outside the championship if you could get us cooking.
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Post by 1986gashead on Mar 7, 2021 7:36:01 GMT
1) Does he want to stay? 2) Will he stay out of prison? 3) Can we afford his, and his coaches, wages and aso required transfer budget in L2? If he does stay then I hope we don't have posters for the next year or two blaming him for our relegation, when it seems we were doomed the day Wael decided not to dismiss Garner last summer. I think he must have taken the job knowing it’s a very realistic possibility we could be in league 2 next season, surely?? He’s spoken very highly about the club’s potential to grow so seems to see us as a longer term project maybe? I think he’s here next season whichever league we’re in.. but I do also think he’s keeping us up!
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 7, 2021 8:15:49 GMT
Why is anyone even questioning whether Joey will be here next season? He has shown more in four games here than BG and PT did in a season and a half between them.You can see what he is doing, but he has just basically taken over a poor team with no windows to improve it. I'm very impressed with everything about JB. I also don't see why JB would leave even if we go down to league Two.. He brought into the long term vision and potential of our club which outside a few top end L1 clubs could be as exciting as any club outside the championship if you could get us cooking. What if we lose the last half a dozen or so games heavily and we then finish bottom of L1? I'm not saying that we will but if we did then it would be hard to convince fans that he was the right choice to lead a promotion push next season. You do wonder if a L2 promotion push is what's needed at Rovers, then, like Lincoln, pressing on from there once we're promoted, than forever fighting relegation in L1.
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Post by northridinggas on Mar 7, 2021 8:26:38 GMT
Why is anyone even questioning whether Joey will be here next season? He has shown more in four games here than BG and PT did in a season and a half between them.You can see what he is doing, but he has just basically taken over a poor team with no windows to improve it. I'm very impressed with everything about JB. I also don't see why JB would leave even if we go down to league Two.. He brought into the long term vision and potential of our club which outside a few top end L1 clubs could be as exciting as any club outside the championship if you could get us cooking. What if we lose the last half a dozen or so games heavily and we then finish bottom of L1? I'm not saying that we will but if we did then it would be hard to convince fans that he was the right choice to lead a promotion push next season. You do wonder if a L2 promotion push is what's needed at Rovers, then, like Lincoln, pressing on from there once we're promoted, than forever fighting relegation in L1. No it isn't, people remember the times this happens with teams but more get stuck down there or carry on falling.We need to do everything to stay in league one and build from there
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Post by Windmill Hill Gas on Mar 7, 2021 8:28:50 GMT
If we go down it won't be because we lost away to Hull City. It'll be because the likes of Wigan and Burton did the double over us. I can see the general argument about going down, rebuilding and going back up again stronger, but our previous stints in the 4th tier suggest we can't be confident of doing that! This team have shown they can put a good performance in, albeit very inconsistently! JB needs to get every ounce out of this group of players and keep them up by the skin of their teeth
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Mar 7, 2021 10:30:40 GMT
The first rule of fight me is never talk about fight me. The second rule of fight me is invade the pitch v Southampton and throw a few windmills.... Haven't heard pm interview,but tbh it's looking ominous now so not sure what JAB can say? We were well beaten today and our mistakes accentuated their play .. Annoying thing is I don’t think your right about being well beaten. They were pretty much same level as us but made no individuals errors and converted a couple of attacks. Fine margins in this league there’s not any good teams really I mean look at how bad Burton were and they beat top the table today We'll have to agree to disagree with that one then, because we must've seen it differently. On the players rating from multiple of fans we are scored lower, I would warrant the Hull players individually would score much more....Hull looked far more threatening in attack, and looked far more organised in defence. They weren't even getting out of second gear and a two goal win didn't flatter them.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2021 10:47:22 GMT
Annoying thing is I don’t think your right about being well beaten. They were pretty much same level as us but made no individuals errors and converted a couple of attacks. Fine margins in this league there’s not any good teams really I mean look at how bad Burton were and they beat top the table today We'll have to agree to disagree with that one then, because we must've seen it differently. On the players rating from multiple of fans we are scored lower, I would warrant the Hull players individually would score much more....Hull looked far more threatening in attack, and looked far more organised in defence. They weren't even getting out of second gear and a two goal win didn't flatter them. I saw it the same as you O2. We huffed and puffed as we have done for a couple of months now and the players gave 100% but Hull individually and most of the time collectively were a class above us. Barton has the players giving 100% but will it be good enough? 3 out of 4 feats isn't a great indication that it will be.
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Post by Strange Gas on Mar 7, 2021 10:55:00 GMT
We'll have to agree to disagree with that one then, because we must've seen it differently. On the players rating from multiple of fans we are scored lower, I would warrant the Hull players individually would score much more....Hull looked far more threatening in attack, and looked far more organised in defence. They weren't even getting out of second gear and a two goal win didn't flatter them. I saw it the same as you O2. We huffed and puffed as we have done for a couple of months now and the players gave 100% but Hull individually and most of the time collectively were a class above us. Barton has the players giving 100% but will it be good enough? 3 out of 4 feats isn't a great indication that it will be. yep, love the “play well, keep the jersey, or . . .” mindset but worry about whether those that get swapped in can do better. Interesting to see how he mixes it up for Tuesday. Rethinking defence feels key. 90 mins of concentration and doing your job isn’t too much to ask surely
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Mar 7, 2021 10:55:46 GMT
We'll have to agree to disagree with that one then, because we must've seen it differently. On the players rating from multiple of fans we are scored lower, I would warrant the Hull players individually would score much more....Hull looked far more threatening in attack, and looked far more organised in defence. They weren't even getting out of second gear and a two goal win didn't flatter them. I saw it the same as you O2. We huffed and puffed as we have done for a couple of months now and the players gave 100% but Hull individually and most of the time collectively were a class above us. Barton has the players giving 100% but will it be good enough? 3 out of 4 feats isn't a great indication that it will be. Nice post and that's where I find myself. Unfortunately. JAB said something after the Shrewsbury match that was relevant v Hull. Our off the ball movement. When we were in possession, they pressed all the time - it wasn't mutual. Some of our players have a poor first touch which is exposed by them pressing.... Hull appeared to have more time on the ball because we didn't do that enough, and there was little tracking and marking that helped concede both goals yesterday and most goals this season. We are poor off the ball..
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Post by lpgas1 on Mar 7, 2021 14:39:06 GMT
What if we lose the last half a dozen or so games heavily and we then finish bottom of L1? I'm not saying that we will but if we did then it would be hard to convince fans that he was the right choice to lead a promotion push next season. You do wonder if a L2 promotion push is what's needed at Rovers, then, like Lincoln, pressing on from there once we're promoted, than forever fighting relegation in L1. No it isn't, people remember the times this happens with teams but more get stuck down there or carry on falling.We need to do everything to stay in league one and build from there Thats what they sad the last time we came up
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Post by lpgas1 on Mar 7, 2021 14:39:29 GMT
Barton is the best manager we have had this season
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Post by BS6 Gas on Mar 7, 2021 14:42:45 GMT
If we go down it won't be because we lost away to Hull City. It'll be because the likes of Wigan and Burton did the double over us. I can see the general argument about going down, rebuilding and going back up again stronger, but our previous stints in the 4th tier suggest we can't be confident of doing that! This team have shown they can put a good performance in, albeit very inconsistently! JB needs to get every ounce out of this group of players and keep them up by the skin of their teeth . Ummmmm, when did Wigan & Burton do the double over us ? If we go down this season which is quite likely it’s Wael’s fault as he’s appointed a shocking head of recruitment, now director of football along with two absolutely sh**e managers. As alluded to, None of this is JB’s fault and he will get the club going either this season or next. There are too many known it alls on forums such as this that in essence are just jumped up keyboard warriors who haven’t seen the Gas play for years or just have nothing better to do. 🤠
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Post by aghast on Mar 7, 2021 18:30:56 GMT
If we go down it won't be because we lost away to Hull City. It'll be because the likes of Wigan and Burton did the double over us. I can see the general argument about going down, rebuilding and going back up again stronger, but our previous stints in the 4th tier suggest we can't be confident of doing that! This team have shown they can put a good performance in, albeit very inconsistently! JB needs to get every ounce out of this group of players and keep them up by the skin of their teeth . Ummmmm, when did Wigan & Burton do the double over us ? If we go down this season which is quite likely it’s Wael’s fault as he’s appointed a shocking head of recruitment, now director of football along with two absolutely sh**e managers. As alluded to, None of this is JB’s fault and he will get the club going either this season or next. There are too many known it alls on forums such as this that in essence are just jumped up keyboard warriors who haven’t seen the Gas play for years or just have nothing better to do. 🤠 I do think there's something in this. Well the bit about Wael anyway, not my dear fellow gaschatters. Wael has been treated with kid gloves over the debacle of the past two seasons, because of course he cleared the debt (or hid it behind the sofa, or something), and is delivering a training ground. And a big pat on the back to him for that. But if the Chairman of a major organisation were to appoint a bunch of numpties as his board of directors, and those directors appointed a bunch of numpties as their heads of division, and those heads appointed a bunch of numpties as their managers, and those managers appointed a bunch of numpties as their workforce, the Chairman would be held to account.
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 7, 2021 19:08:30 GMT
If we go down it won't be because we lost away to Hull City. It'll be because the likes of Wigan and Burton did the double over us. I can see the general argument about going down, rebuilding and going back up again stronger, but our previous stints in the 4th tier suggest we can't be confident of doing that! This team have shown they can put a good performance in, albeit very inconsistently! JB needs to get every ounce out of this group of players and keep them up by the skin of their teeth . Ummmmm, when did Wigan & Burton do the double over us ? If we go down this season which is quite likely it’s Wael’s fault as he’s appointed a shocking head of recruitment, now director of football along with two absolutely sh**e managers. As alluded to, None of this is JB’s fault and he will get the club going either this season or next. There are too many known it alls on forums such as this that in essence are just jumped up keyboard warriors who haven’t seen the Gas play for years or just have nothing better to do. 🤠 If you've got "something better to do" then why are you wasting your time on the forum? Regardless, how do you hold the sole owner of a limited company accountable? We can't have a vote of no confidence and demand they are removed from running the company?
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Post by gulfofaden on Mar 7, 2021 19:40:11 GMT
I get the feeling a few will be getting dropped. Hanlan needs a rest or played wider. No more hanlan No9 please. Leahy, good going forward but at fault for 2 goals. Sorry but had to be rotated. Not sure who we would have to come in, Tutonda? Harries part at fault for goal and so, so slow tracking back.
It will be brave if he does it, but some you can’t pick again based on that. As JB says, we played OK but individual mistakes are killing us.
Have to say all season, most has been down Leahy’s side. Just not good enough defensively.
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Post by seanclevedongas on Mar 7, 2021 19:51:12 GMT
ian holloway is a gas institution. but you cant make your heart rule your head
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Post by Windmill Hill Gas on Mar 8, 2021 8:44:03 GMT
If we go down it won't be because we lost away to Hull City. It'll be because the likes of Wigan and Burton did the double over us. I can see the general argument about going down, rebuilding and going back up again stronger, but our previous stints in the 4th tier suggest we can't be confident of doing that! This team have shown they can put a good performance in, albeit very inconsistently! JB needs to get every ounce out of this group of players and keep them up by the skin of their teeth . Ummmmm, when did Wigan & Burton do the double over us ? If we go down this season which is quite likely it’s Wael’s fault as he’s appointed a shocking head of recruitment, now director of football along with two absolutely sh**e managers. As alluded to, None of this is JB’s fault and he will get the club going either this season or next. There are too many known it alls on forums such as this that in essence are just jumped up keyboard warriors who haven’t seen the Gas play for years or just have nothing better to do. 🤠 Sorry I made a mistake there. I misread something I saw about our record against the teams around us. We failed to beat Wigan, Burton and Rochdale over 2 games and took 3 points out of a possible 18. I stand by the sentiment of my original post that this is what will send us down. I agree that the board - while they had good intentions - are partly to blame for the situation. With respect I do watch the gas regularly and am not a "jumped up keyboard warrior". I wasn't looking for an argument, and was just offering an opinion on a forum.
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Post by BS6 Gas on Mar 8, 2021 16:01:49 GMT
. Ummmmm, when did Wigan & Burton do the double over us ? If we go down this season which is quite likely it’s Wael’s fault as he’s appointed a shocking head of recruitment, now director of football along with two absolutely sh**e managers. As alluded to, None of this is JB’s fault and he will get the club going either this season or next. There are too many known it alls on forums such as this that in essence are just jumped up keyboard warriors who haven’t seen the Gas play for years or just have nothing better to do. 🤠 If you've got "something better to do" then why are you wasting your time on the forum? Regardless, how do you hold the sole owner of a limited company accountable? We can't have a vote of no confidence and demand they are removed from running the company? [br I have plenty to do but many on here moan for the sake of moaning AND haven’t seen the Gas for years. I wasn’t specifically aiming my comment at anyone so perhaps stop being so touchy treacle. Whatever you believe, Wael is accountable for the performance of HIS company just as Richard Branson is for Virgin as an entity. You employ poor management then you get a poor return on your investment. It’s all about opinions though. UTG
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