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Post by Warmley gas on Mar 24, 2021 12:11:29 GMT
I'll start Scouting we don't have any At what level do you mean?
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Post by aghast on Mar 24, 2021 13:41:52 GMT
I'm just making this up, of course, but I think the problem lies with Tommy Widdrington and the power and influence he has over the owner, the manager(s) and players.
Wael seems to be absent or silent most of the time these days and MS and TW seem to run the show day to day.
TW has a huge say in recruitment of both players and apparently managers.
He's brought in a few gems, but it's been suggested before he favours people he knows like those from his Coventry days.
Maybe he has too cosy a relationship with some of them, and complacency has set in? Difficult to challenge and question the decisions of the man who seems to be chief scout, DoF and Board Member. Especially so for a manager who was given his job by the same person who recruits his players?
It seems to me he just wields too much power and does not have anyone as a rival or check on his activities. And as such the culture of the club has begun to revolve around him, for better or worse.
I don't know. It was JB who mentioned the culture problem, not me. I'm just trying to join the dots.
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Post by oldie on Mar 24, 2021 13:49:28 GMT
Look at the board of directors, that's where your problems start. It was the same with Higgs. The manager is just a cog.
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Post by Blackbeard on Mar 24, 2021 14:02:04 GMT
I'll start Scouting we don't have any At what level do you mean? any level there's no one out there looking at local youth and hasn't been for almost two years and you're not telling me the players conjured up by Widdrington are the very best available, his network appears Hampshire, Midlands and that's it. Anyone noticed we have a lot of players from Coventry, Peterborough or the south coast? god forbid we had anyone or a team doing the hard miles up north looking to mop up some decent players
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Post by playtowin on Mar 24, 2021 14:09:11 GMT
JAB has already told us the issues he doesnt like in the many interviews he has done.
Players who are not properly prepared. Players who have no ambition to be the best they can be. Players who do not listen/remember to the instructions given. Players having the right attitude 24/7
And many more i dont recall off the top of my head.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2021 14:10:47 GMT
At what level do you mean? any level there's no one out there looking at local youth and hasn't been for almost two years and you're not telling me the players conjured up by Widdrington are the very best available, his network is Hampshire and that it We may be improving though in that perspective (or it may be just coincidence) but we did sign Meyanese from Weston, Ryan Jones from Weston and I think I've heard that we've signed Josiah McKayle from Manor Farm on a scholarship. I'm sure there were some others that went into the Dev squad too and I do know of some younger players who moved from local amateur teams to join the academy set up at Rovers. Don't get me wrong - our scouting could be much much better I agree but I don't think we aren't doing any scouting locally? (In reality I don't know for sure but having signed players from local sides over the last couple of seasons, I think its wrong to say we don't do any local scouting) Its probably by expenses paid rather than full time scouts though?
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Post by oldmarket65 on Mar 24, 2021 14:17:46 GMT
JAB has already told us the issues he doesnt like in the many interviews he has done. Players who are not properly prepared. Players who have no ambition to be the best they can be. Players who do not listen/remember to the instructions given. Players having the right attitude 24/7 And many more i dont recall off the top of my head. Not disagreeing with you but if the CLUB knew all this WHY didn't they address these issues in the transfer window ?. It could be a simple fact that 3 strikers (two rookies) are not good enough at division one standards. It could also be a simple fact WAEL isn't prepared to fund the club knowing division one football causes big problems : big debt : and unrealistic wage demands. So on one hand we all know the players aren't good enough. On the other hand why aren't we recruiting ?.
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Post by Blackbeard on Mar 24, 2021 14:31:08 GMT
any level there's no one out there looking at local youth and hasn't been for almost two years and you're not telling me the players conjured up by Widdrington are the very best available, his network is Hampshire and that it We may be improving though in that perspective (or it may be just coincidence) but we did sign Meyanese from Weston, Ryan Jones from Weston and I think I've heard that we've signed Josiah McKayle from Manor Farm on a scholarship. I'm sure there were some others that went into the Dev squad too and I do know of some younger players who moved from local amateur teams to join the academy set up at Rovers. Don't get me wrong - our scouting could be much much better I agree but I don't think we aren't doing any scouting locally? (In reality I don't know for sure but having signed players from local sides over the last couple of seasons, I think its wrong to say we don't do any local scouting) Its probably by expenses paid rather than full time scouts though? Alex Hinder used to have a team of scouts working for him on youth development, two seasons ago they were put on expenses only so they all left. Cardiff City have a development centre right here in Bristol with two scouts (ironically Gasheads ) that pop up everywhere and attempt to mop up every 6-11 year old boy with a modicum of balance. they then train them every friday night and arrange matches against every other Cardiff City development centre on a bi-monthly basis (Newport, Cardiff, Swansea plus one more that escapes me, poss Glos/FoD area) - if and once those boys are up to speed they get a six week trial in the "House of Pain" in Cardiff academy and either get signed or get sent back to dev centre to work on whatever they get told to work on. Bristol City are fed pretty much exclusively by BiC and I know that recently they have signed at least 6 boys from Bic into their academy, three into the u13 set up alone. Cheltenham City hold open trials every year for up to u16s. They pick up boys from Bristol. As do FGR. As soon will Glos City who have now changed to academy status. you will always get the odd one or two getting picked up locally by Rovers, but in reality we are SO far off the pace there is almost no point in advertising for the scouts, which Rovers did last week. What a dismal comparison when you write it all down. further up the tree I have not so much insight, there must be one or two looking around however until we get the youth / academy thing right and retain the best local talent and show them a pathway, the local boys will get mopped up by the five local rivals mentioned above.
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Post by scottleroc on Mar 24, 2021 14:34:21 GMT
This is hence why surely JB and TW won't both be at the club come the start of next season? This is TW's job, and whether it's true or not, if JB believes that the recruitment needs revamping, then the two are fundamentally at odds with each other. In my opinion it’s this. I can only see it is around the blend of players recruited. Individually most of them have the potential to be decent players but there isn’t enough fight or enough leaders in there. They all seem too quiet to lift the spirits and affect things. I read somewhere else how JB is becoming more vocal and I bet that is even louder internally, I think either TW or JB will be gone next season, unless TW convinces JB and WAQ that he only brought in what he was asked to by BG/PT. If we’re going to let JB restructure he will want control of transfers, which makes TW redundant. Unless they can find a different role for TW but god knows what that would be! I’m disappointed JB hasn’t managed to get more from the existing squad but 3 different types of manager haven’t achieved anything positive with what we have so can’t all be his fault. I think we’re in a trajectory (unfortunately to relegation) but I do at least feel JB will have some form of plan. I could be wrong though....!!
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Post by playtowin on Mar 24, 2021 16:18:27 GMT
JAB has already told us the issues he doesnt like in the many interviews he has done. Players who are not properly prepared. Players who have no ambition to be the best they can be. Players who do not listen/remember to the instructions given. Players having the right attitude 24/7 And many more i dont recall off the top of my head. Not disagreeing with you but if the CLUB knew all this WHY didn't they address these issues in the transfer window ?. It could be a simple fact that 3 strikers (two rookies) are not good enough at division one standards. It could also be a simple fact WAEL isn't prepared to fund the club knowing division one football causes big problems : big debt : and unrealistic wage demands. So on one hand we all know the players aren't good enough. On the other hand why aren't we recruiting ?. Wael is most likely not in the country very often currently. Im not sure the board would know much seeing as they will probably be trying to socially distance from the team. It might not be things they feel is their remit if they trust the manager to do his job (?) Its my opinion JAB believes the issues are within the coaching ,backroom and players. Most commentators and opposition managers tend to mention Rovers have some very good players. Its true nearly all of the players have talent and great potential. Its not the abilities that are the issue reading between the lines. Wael can only fund what the rules allow. Bottom line its all just observations and opinion . Truth and opinion dont often marry up.
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