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Post by axegas on Mar 25, 2021 16:18:21 GMT
This is going to be a bit of a long one so apologies.
Was just thinking to myself about why our recruitment over the last couple of windows hasn’t been great.
It seems to me that we signed players that superficially looked like good signings, players that had either been part of a good side or had hit a good run of form a few years ago and we didn’t canvas enough information as to why they they were let go for free or dropped or were unable to repeat good form. We didn’t dig deep enough to consider whether their drawbacks as professional footballers where going to harm the prospects of the side we were putting together.
This is all with the benefit of hindsight, I’ll be the first one to admit I was enthused by a lot of our summer signings given their reputations.
Max Ehmer - When we signed him at the time I seem to remember some Gills fans saying that he hadn’t made a great captain for them at first, before becoming a better one for them later on. I also remember them saying that whilst they were disappointed that he had left, they were glad that it was he who left and not Ogilvie and Tucker who they regarded as more valuable prospects. We were quite quick to promote him to captaincy and herald him as one of the best defenders in league one, and he could probably have done without that pressure looking back on it. Disappointed that we didn’t do more research on his leadership qualities either, he does come across as a bit laid back and nonchalant in his interviews, which aren’t great traits for a captain, though that’s all I can gather from the limited scope of a short interview and Ifollow, not the same as seeing him live in person.
Jack Baldwin - A lot of Sunderland fans gave a shocking view of Baldwin when he made the switch to Rovers. Now playing for Sunderland is an extremely high pressure environment, given the size of the club and the fact they had somewhat underperformed whilst Baldwin had played for them. Posh fans had a more favourable view of him from 3/4 years ago. One thing both sets of fans consistently said of him is that he’s a bit of confidence player, decent enough centre back for some of the time but capable of making mistakes and poor decisions from time to time, especially when the going gets tough. At Sunderland he was loaned out to league two side Salford City and from what I can gather, he was hardly a success there either, benched half the time and not exactly getting rave reviews from Salford fans the other half.
Zain Westbrooke - This looked to be our best signing of the summer or at least one of our best. Westbrooke was young, part of an extremely successful Coventry team that won the league and from his highlight reels, looked to be immensely talented. Indeed Coventry fans were very complementary of his technical ability and thought he would do well for us. Yet some of the critiques of him that a few of them mentioned I’ve noticed have rung true as the season has progressed. Firstly it was noted that he doesn’t get stuck into challenges as midfielder of his stature perhaps would do, now I don’t think it’s fair to say he never makes challenges, you do see him make some good tackles from time to time, but it’s definitely one of the weaknesses of his game. There were also a few concerns that he wouldn’t be dynamic enough for the championship (Whatever that’s supposed to mean) and that his all round play off the ball wasn’t quite good enough. Midway through the seasons, he was dropped by Mark Robins and never found his way back into the side. If we had done our research, we would have discovered that he was played with several energetic and physical players behind him in a 4-3-3. He’s never really been played in a midfield two so I don’t know why we attempted it under Garner really.
Erhun Oztumer - Literally the epitome of a superficially good signing, that when you scratch under the surface may not have been so good for us. He’s obviously a very talented footballer, three seasons ago he had a campaign where he scored 15 goals in League One from midfield. Yet since then he’s struggled in admittedly a much better division in the championship, then in league one and only made 34 appearances in 2 seasons. We haven’t utilised him by playing him at CAM, getting the ball to him in advanced positions and giving him a run of games to build confidence like Walsall did either. In fact as the seasons progressed, we’ve steadily abandoned Garnerball in pursuit of a more direct, get it to Hanlan/Ayunga/Nicholson and hope they can do something with it which doesn’t suit him either. That’s the problem with having 3 managers in a season, the original purpose of why we signed someone gets removed or forgotten about as tactics and styles evolve and you find yourself stuck with players like Oztumer that are presumably on quite decent wages but no particular role in the current set up.
Josh Barrett - One of the poorer signings in the last few windows and for a good reason. Josh Barrett had problems with fitness long before he joined the club, with it being a particular complaint made by Coventry fans from when he was on loan with them. Widdrington was there at Coventry at the time, did he not pick up on this? Some of our business that January was very questionable, we signed players that needed time to develop like Barrett and Harries when what we really needed was players that could come in and aid us with our playoff push, I have no doubt we would have got them if Coughlan was still there. Could Garner’s project not have waited until the summer?
Brandon Hanlan - I get what Widdrington and Garner were thinking when they signed Hanlan. He had a season at the age of 21 in League One where he had scored 9 goals in 39 appearance playing as a striker and for some of that time on the wing. He’d picked up Gillingham’s young player of the year accolade that year and he is undoubtedly a gifted footballer, he can dribble, he uses his strength well. Plenty of room to develop him, whilst he had scored 13 league one goals already so the hope was there that he could make an impact straight away. Yet we gave him all the pressure of being JCH’s replacement with no experienced pro to play alongside, he was 22 and had only scored 15 league goals before yet he was our most accomplished striker. On top of that, plenty of Gills fans raised concerns about his finishing ability, his heading, his positioning, yet we brushed that aside and decided that he was the sole man for the job.
I won’t go into depth about any more signings as I’d be here all day, but these were some of the standouts for me which emphasised the problems in our recruitment. The rest have failed to make much of an impact either bar Nicholson and McCormick.
The quality of players we have signed hasn’t dropped from the last season or the season before and as much as this might go against the popular narrative, I think Widdrington does have an eye for player every now and again we saw that with Jaakkola, JCH and Nicholson.
The problem with our recruitment however, is that we haven’t dug deep enough into the weaknesses of our signings and explored how they might affect the team as a whole. We’ve ended up with an ineffectual captain, a couple of defenders that occasionally make mistakes and aren’t good enough in the air, a midfielder who refrains from getting stuck in, 3/4 midfielders stuck on the bench or left out because they’re either unfit, injured or don’t suit the system and an inexperienced striker who’s far from the finished article left to lead the line with expectations weighing heavy on his back.
We’re Bristol Rovers, we don’t have the biggest budget in the league so the aim is to build a team that is more than the sum of its parts and we’ve ended up with average players (mostly) and a far less than average side.
If JB or whoever is the manager beyond this summer wants a culture change, recruitment is one of the first places to start. Got to get a lot better.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2021 16:22:29 GMT
Good read that Axe .... Spot on as well.
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Post by oldmarket65 on Mar 25, 2021 16:40:33 GMT
I still think if we signed another striker in the windows . We would of avoided relegation and the introspection would of been far less.
The fans weren't expecting us to be aiming for the championship just floating along in division one. In this case there is a fine line between success and failure.
The wages saved on the 4_6 players who can't get in the squad because there's far too many defenders / midfielders could of been used for another Duffy or Kuffour . That was a schoolboy error to sign so many players in similar roles.
I think if we ended up like Burton or Shrews hardly anything would of been said except a few moaners .
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Post by alanrg on Mar 25, 2021 16:40:33 GMT
Well said axe u have summed up what a lot of gasheads feel these players have let us down big time
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Mar 25, 2021 19:27:44 GMT
I once read a blog from or titled all gas ain’t we. Was pretty damming of the recruitment. I didn’t agree with some but it was an interesting read from someone in the 100% against widdrington camp. If anyone has it please can you share, I think it would add value / content to this thread. I’ll have a dig around later see if I can find it
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Post by socrates on Mar 25, 2021 20:00:18 GMT
This is going to be a bit of a long one so apologies. Was just thinking to myself about why our recruitment over the last couple of windows hasn’t been great. It seems to me that we signed players that superficially looked like good signings, players that had either been part of a good side or had hit a good run of form a few years ago and we didn’t canvas enough information as to why they they were let go for free or dropped or were unable to repeat good form. We didn’t dig deep enough to consider whether their drawbacks as professional footballers where going to harm the prospects of the side we were putting together. This is all with the benefit of hindsight, I’ll be the first one to admit I was enthused by a lot of our summer signings given their reputations. Max Ehmer - When we signed him at the time I seem to remember some Gills fans saying that he hadn’t made a great captain for them at first, before becoming a better one for them later on. I also remember them saying that whilst they were disappointed that he had left, they were glad that it was he who left and not Ogilvie and Tucker who they regarded as more valuable prospects. We were quite quick to promote him to captaincy and herald him as one of the best defenders in league one, and he could probably have done without that pressure looking back on it. Disappointed that we didn’t do more research on his leadership qualities either, he does come across as a bit laid back and nonchalant in his interviews, which aren’t great traits for a captain, though that’s all I can gather from the limited scope of a short interview and Ifollow, not the same as seeing him live in person. Jack Baldwin - A lot of Sunderland fans gave a shocking view of Baldwin when he made the switch to Rovers. Now playing for Sunderland is an extremely high pressure environment, given the size of the club and the fact they had somewhat underperformed whilst Baldwin had played for them. Posh fans had a more favourable view of him from 3/4 years ago. One thing both sets of fans consistently said of him is that he’s a bit of confidence player, decent enough centre back for some of the time but capable of making mistakes and poor decisions from time to time, especially when the going gets tough. At Sunderland he was loaned out to league two side Salford City and from what I can gather, he was hardly a success there either, benched half the time and not exactly getting rave reviews from Salford fans the other half. Zain Westbrooke - This looked to be our best signing of the summer or at least one of our best. Westbrooke was young, part of an extremely successful Coventry team that won the league and from his highlight reels, looked to be immensely talented. Indeed Coventry fans were very complementary of his technical ability and thought he would do well for us. Yet some of the critiques of him that a few of them mentioned I’ve noticed have rung true as the season has progressed. Firstly it was noted that he doesn’t get stuck into challenges as midfielder of his stature perhaps would do, now I don’t think it’s fair to say he never makes challenges, you do see him make some good tackles from time to time, but it’s definitely one of the weaknesses of his game. There were also a few concerns that he wouldn’t be dynamic enough for the championship (Whatever that’s supposed to mean) and that his all round play off the ball wasn’t quite good enough. Midway through the seasons, he was dropped by Mark Robins and never found his way back into the side. If we had done our research, we would have discovered that he was played with several energetic and physical players behind him in a 4-3-3. He’s never really been played in a midfield two so I don’t know why we attempted it under Garner really. Erhun Oztumer - Literally the epitome of a superficially good signing, that when you scratch under the surface may not have been so good for us. He’s obviously a very talented footballer, three seasons ago he had a campaign where he scored 15 goals in League One from midfield. Yet since then he’s struggled in admittedly a much better division in the championship, then in league one and only made 34 appearances in 2 seasons. We haven’t utilised him by playing him at CAM, getting the ball to him in advanced positions and giving him a run of games to build confidence like Walsall did either. In fact as the seasons progressed, we’ve steadily abandoned Garnerball in pursuit of a more direct, get it to Hanlan/Ayunga/Nicholson and hope they can do something with it which doesn’t suit him either. That’s the problem with having 3 managers in a season, the original purpose of why we signed someone gets removed or forgotten about as tactics and styles evolve and you find yourself stuck with players like Oztumer that are presumably on quite decent wages but no particular role in the current set up. Josh Barrett - One of the poorer signings in the last few windows and for a good reason. Josh Barrett had problems with fitness long before he joined the club, with it being a particular complaint made by Coventry fans from when he was on loan with them. Widdrington was there at Coventry at the time, did he not pick up on this? Some of our business that January was very questionable, we signed players that needed time to develop like Barrett and Harries when what we really needed was players that could come in and aid us with our playoff push, I have no doubt we would have got them if Coughlan was still there. Could Garner’s project not have waited until the summer? Brandon Hanlan - I get what Widdrington and Garner were thinking when they signed Hanlan. He had a season at the age of 21 in League One where he had scored 9 goals in 39 appearance playing as a striker and for some of that time on the wing. He’d picked up Gillingham’s young player of the year accolade that year and he is undoubtedly a gifted footballer, he can dribble, he uses his strength well. Plenty of room to develop him, whilst he had scored 13 league one goals already so the hope was there that he could make an impact straight away. Yet we gave him all the pressure of being JCH’s replacement with no experienced pro to play alongside, he was 22 and had only scored 15 league goals before yet he was our most accomplished striker. On top of that, plenty of Gills fans raised concerns about his finishing ability, his heading, his positioning, yet we brushed that aside and decided that he was the sole man for the job. I won’t go into depth about any more signings as I’d be here all day, but these were some of the standouts for me which emphasised the problems in our recruitment. The rest have failed to make much of an impact either bar Nicholson and McCormick. The quality of players we have signed hasn’t dropped from the last season or the season before and as much as this might go against the popular narrative, I think Widdrington does have an eye for player every now and again we saw that with Jaakkola, JCH and Nicholson. The problem with our recruitment however, is that we haven’t dug deep enough into the weaknesses of our signings and explored how they might affect the team as a whole. We’ve ended up with an ineffectual captain, a couple of defenders that occasionally make mistakes and aren’t good enough in the air, a midfielder who refrains from getting stuck in, 3/4 midfielders stuck on the bench or left out because they’re either unfit, injured or don’t suit the system and an inexperienced striker who’s far from the finished article left to lead the line with expectations weighing heavy on his back. We’re Bristol Rovers, we don’t have the biggest budget in the league so the aim is to build a team that is more than the sum of its parts and we’ve ended up with average players (mostly) and a far less than average side. If JB or whoever is the manager beyond this summer wants a culture change, recruitment is one of the first places to start. Got to get a lot better. I hope that in the next window Barton chooses HIS signings and builds HIS squad and Widdrington has no say in the matter. |
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Post by rosssgb on Mar 25, 2021 20:07:14 GMT
Good and fair assessment of all signings, what stood out most over the summer was Baldwin. Fans on here raving but anyone who watched Sunderland til I die would know what we had got ourselves into.
The weirdest and most disappointing for me is Ehmer. Was expecting a club captain type figure, Tony Craig but younger. Really has to my mind been the worst/biggest flop signing we’ve ever made. Might be wrong but I’ve certainly never been so excited about a signing, maybe Oztumer as well, really hasn’t been as good as I expected (but I do feel our systems have never really suited him).
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Mar 25, 2021 20:59:15 GMT
This is going to be a bit of a long one so apologies. Was just thinking to myself about why our recruitment over the last couple of windows hasn’t been great. It seems to me that we signed players that superficially looked like good signings, players that had either been part of a good side or had hit a good run of form a few years ago and we didn’t canvas enough information as to why they they were let go for free or dropped or were unable to repeat good form. We didn’t dig deep enough to consider whether their drawbacks as professional footballers where going to harm the prospects of the side we were putting together. This is all with the benefit of hindsight, I’ll be the first one to admit I was enthused by a lot of our summer signings given their reputations. Max Ehmer - When we signed him at the time I seem to remember some Gills fans saying that he hadn’t made a great captain for them at first, before becoming a better one for them later on. I also remember them saying that whilst they were disappointed that he had left, they were glad that it was he who left and not Ogilvie and Tucker who they regarded as more valuable prospects. We were quite quick to promote him to captaincy and herald him as one of the best defenders in league one, and he could probably have done without that pressure looking back on it. Disappointed that we didn’t do more research on his leadership qualities either, he does come across as a bit laid back and nonchalant in his interviews, which aren’t great traits for a captain, though that’s all I can gather from the limited scope of a short interview and Ifollow, not the same as seeing him live in person. Jack Baldwin - A lot of Sunderland fans gave a shocking view of Baldwin when he made the switch to Rovers. Now playing for Sunderland is an extremely high pressure environment, given the size of the club and the fact they had somewhat underperformed whilst Baldwin had played for them. Posh fans had a more favourable view of him from 3/4 years ago. One thing both sets of fans consistently said of him is that he’s a bit of confidence player, decent enough centre back for some of the time but capable of making mistakes and poor decisions from time to time, especially when the going gets tough. At Sunderland he was loaned out to league two side Salford City and from what I can gather, he was hardly a success there either, benched half the time and not exactly getting rave reviews from Salford fans the other half. Zain Westbrooke - This looked to be our best signing of the summer or at least one of our best. Westbrooke was young, part of an extremely successful Coventry team that won the league and from his highlight reels, looked to be immensely talented. Indeed Coventry fans were very complementary of his technical ability and thought he would do well for us. Yet some of the critiques of him that a few of them mentioned I’ve noticed have rung true as the season has progressed. Firstly it was noted that he doesn’t get stuck into challenges as midfielder of his stature perhaps would do, now I don’t think it’s fair to say he never makes challenges, you do see him make some good tackles from time to time, but it’s definitely one of the weaknesses of his game. There were also a few concerns that he wouldn’t be dynamic enough for the championship (Whatever that’s supposed to mean) and that his all round play off the ball wasn’t quite good enough. Midway through the seasons, he was dropped by Mark Robins and never found his way back into the side. If we had done our research, we would have discovered that he was played with several energetic and physical players behind him in a 4-3-3. He’s never really been played in a midfield two so I don’t know why we attempted it under Garner really. Erhun Oztumer - Literally the epitome of a superficially good signing, that when you scratch under the surface may not have been so good for us. He’s obviously a very talented footballer, three seasons ago he had a campaign where he scored 15 goals in League One from midfield. Yet since then he’s struggled in admittedly a much better division in the championship, then in league one and only made 34 appearances in 2 seasons. We haven’t utilised him by playing him at CAM, getting the ball to him in advanced positions and giving him a run of games to build confidence like Walsall did either. In fact as the seasons progressed, we’ve steadily abandoned Garnerball in pursuit of a more direct, get it to Hanlan/Ayunga/Nicholson and hope they can do something with it which doesn’t suit him either. That’s the problem with having 3 managers in a season, the original purpose of why we signed someone gets removed or forgotten about as tactics and styles evolve and you find yourself stuck with players like Oztumer that are presumably on quite decent wages but no particular role in the current set up. Josh Barrett - One of the poorer signings in the last few windows and for a good reason. Josh Barrett had problems with fitness long before he joined the club, with it being a particular complaint made by Coventry fans from when he was on loan with them. Widdrington was there at Coventry at the time, did he not pick up on this? Some of our business that January was very questionable, we signed players that needed time to develop like Barrett and Harries when what we really needed was players that could come in and aid us with our playoff push, I have no doubt we would have got them if Coughlan was still there. Could Garner’s project not have waited until the summer? Brandon Hanlan - I get what Widdrington and Garner were thinking when they signed Hanlan. He had a season at the age of 21 in League One where he had scored 9 goals in 39 appearance playing as a striker and for some of that time on the wing. He’d picked up Gillingham’s young player of the year accolade that year and he is undoubtedly a gifted footballer, he can dribble, he uses his strength well. Plenty of room to develop him, whilst he had scored 13 league one goals already so the hope was there that he could make an impact straight away. Yet we gave him all the pressure of being JCH’s replacement with no experienced pro to play alongside, he was 22 and had only scored 15 league goals before yet he was our most accomplished striker. On top of that, plenty of Gills fans raised concerns about his finishing ability, his heading, his positioning, yet we brushed that aside and decided that he was the sole man for the job. I won’t go into depth about any more signings as I’d be here all day, but these were some of the standouts for me which emphasised the problems in our recruitment. The rest have failed to make much of an impact either bar Nicholson and McCormick. The quality of players we have signed hasn’t dropped from the last season or the season before and as much as this might go against the popular narrative, I think Widdrington does have an eye for player every now and again we saw that with Jaakkola, JCH and Nicholson. The problem with our recruitment however, is that we haven’t dug deep enough into the weaknesses of our signings and explored how they might affect the team as a whole. We’ve ended up with an ineffectual captain, a couple of defenders that occasionally make mistakes and aren’t good enough in the air, a midfielder who refrains from getting stuck in, 3/4 midfielders stuck on the bench or left out because they’re either unfit, injured or don’t suit the system and an inexperienced striker who’s far from the finished article left to lead the line with expectations weighing heavy on his back. We’re Bristol Rovers, we don’t have the biggest budget in the league so the aim is to build a team that is more than the sum of its parts and we’ve ended up with average players (mostly) and a far less than average side. If JB or whoever is the manager beyond this summer wants a culture change, recruitment is one of the first places to start. Got to get a lot better. I hope that in the next window Barton chooses HIS signings and builds HIS squad and Widdrington has no say in the matter. Oh yesssss please ! Utg |
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 25, 2021 21:12:05 GMT
Hindsight is a wonderful thing, Coventry fans warned us about JCH, as did Walsall fans about Leahy and I doubt FGR fans thought Taylor would be a Championship player one day, if we took all opposition fans comments into consideration we'd never sign another players. Garner's problem was that he didn't seem to have a clue how to build a squad of players, then Tisdale compounded things but not signing anybody!
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Post by pucklegas on Mar 25, 2021 21:39:28 GMT
Wonder where are next signings will come from Everton or Newcastle released young players, or league 1 experienced pro s , or mix n match.
Whatever the source can t see Tommy and joey seeing eye to eye.
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Post by axegas on Mar 25, 2021 21:43:31 GMT
Hindsight is a wonderful thing, Coventry fans warned us about JCH, as did Walsall fans about Leahy and I doubt FGR fans thought Taylor would be a Championship player one day, if we took all opposition fans comments into consideration we'd never sign another players. Garner's problem was that he didn't seem to have a clue how to build a squad of players, then Tisdale compounded things but not signing anybody! Oh yeah for sure but what I’m saying is that whoever in charge of recruitment next season needs to take a thorough dissection of what went wrong this year and learn from it, hindsight can be useful tool. I’m not advocating that we suddenly sign players based off what opposition fans on football forums say either, obviously recruitment needs to be far more thorough than that. I just think we may not have discovered a few things about a couple of the signings that would of made us think twice had we known beforehand. JCH is a good parallel with Hanlan actually because he when he first came to the football club he was a few years older, had more EFL games and goals under his belt and was paired with Nichols/Jakubiak, who were both far more experienced in the EFL than Daly and Ayunga. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 25, 2021 22:08:50 GMT
Hindsight is a wonderful thing, Coventry fans warned us about JCH, as did Walsall fans about Leahy and I doubt FGR fans thought Taylor would be a Championship player one day, if we took all opposition fans comments into consideration we'd never sign another players. Garner's problem was that he didn't seem to have a clue how to build a squad of players, then Tisdale compounded things but not signing anybody! Oh yeah for sure but what I’m saying is that whoever in charge of recruitment next season needs to take a thorough dissection of what went wrong this year and learn from it, hindsight can be useful tool. I’m not advocating that we suddenly sign players based off what opposition fans on football forums say either, obviously recruitment needs to be far more thorough than that. I just think we may have not have discovered a few things about a couple of the signings that would of made us think twice had we known beforehand. JCH is a good parallel with Hanlan actually because he when he first came to the football club he was a few years older, had more EFL games and goals under his belt and was paired with Nichols/Jakubiak, who were both far more experienced in the EFL than Daly and Ayunga. Pretty sure JB's already given his last of targets to Wael, he'll probably tell us soon he's going to sign some "big, big names" and "real marque signings". |
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Post by wilmslowgas on Mar 25, 2021 22:23:24 GMT
The definite attributes that all future players need is heart and pride in their performance. Players who hate to lose; players who hate to miss a game; players who are really proud to be professional footballers and take pride in their performance. Are such players difficult to find? Our teams of old and the recent past were crammed with these types and the rapport with the fans evident. Only last season we had one: Tony Craig. His reward? Bombed out to be replaced by Ehmer. What a joke.
Professional pride is an alien concept with this lot. It just seems to me that they put on their work clothes for 90 minutes every Tuesday night and Saturday afternoon if required. Well to us, these work clothes are our club's shirt. And I for one resent seeing our shirts filled by players who are not worthy.
We've all got views where the blame lies but the end result is a team that is so unrepresentative of what the fans deserve.
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Post by WeAreTheGas on Mar 26, 2021 9:07:06 GMT
Interesting OP Axe, some good points made (although I guess we’re never going to truly know how much background research was done into the past careers of these signings).
On a slightly different note but along similar lines, a big alarm bell for me this season was when Starnes came out after the Tisdale appointment and spoke glowingly about the attractive style of football Tisdale’s known for & would bring to Rovers. It took me 10 minutes of looking on the Exeter and MK Dons forums to learn that Tisdale hadn’t played this attractive football since around 2011/12, and since then his teams had largely been ultra-pragmatic & predominantly long ball...
So if that’s the depth of background checks that went into our new manager, I can certainly believe that the same is true for our signings over the summer!
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Mar 26, 2021 9:36:50 GMT
Would love to have done a poll but over such a long time there has been a lot of comings and goings. Just wondered if we could shout out the successes (or your view of successes) based on our recruitment over TW reign and the 4 years previous. Obviously we need to consider the leagues we were in at the time like but still think it could be of interest. I think it's hard to judge recruitment but if we have a general number of players who have been successful that we generally agree then we can divide that number by the total for the period and work from a success % I guess. Might be a crap idea and if so, bin it off innit! Current Recruitment set up 2018-2021 (including loans in = 46 total players) Attachment DeletedPrevious Recruitment set up 2014-2017 (including loans in = 42) Attachment DeletedSo if we agree there were 10 players deemed a success in the TW period then the result would be 10/46 = 21.7% Hope you find it interesting UTG |
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Post by rememberhalifax on Mar 26, 2021 9:55:09 GMT
Good Assessment, too much emphasis placed on stats and the like, need scouts doing the hard miles watching and assessing imho.
Of all of them i think Hanlan is worth persevering with, never gives less than 100%, and has battled hard for the cause often on his own. Scored quite regularly early season when his partnership with Daly showed promise but injury curtailed that promising start. Video's and stats No substitute for old school types stood on cold ,wet ,windswept terraces watching potential targets, something we used to be very good at on both sides of the Severn.
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Post by bluebiro on Mar 26, 2021 10:17:29 GMT
Good Assessment, too much emphasis placed on stats and the like, need scouts doing the hard miles watching and assessing imho. Of all of them i think Hanlan is worth persevering with, never gives less than 100%, and has battled hard for the cause often on his own. Scored quite regularly early season when his partnership with Daly showed promise but injury curtailed that promising start. Video's and stats No substitute for old school types stood on cold ,wet ,windswept terraces watching potential targets, something we used to be very good at on both sides of the Severn. unfortunately we dont seem interested unless they have been bombed out of u23 development squads from the big 6 clubs.majority of which are totally useless in lower league football.you have to spend time retraining their mindset to play the style of football needed We should concentrate on what is on our doorstep.welsh and local lads.That always seemed to work |
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Post by azulyblanco on Mar 26, 2021 10:46:08 GMT
I agree with rememberhalifax: Too many of the younger players we have recruited do not have the 'lower leagues DNA' being the product of the so-called academy system at bigger clubs, or have been shown to be simply not good enough and have been released by their previous league (or non-league)club. Surely this is a reasonable indicator of that player's lack of ability? In bygone times, we had scouts in places like South Wales and locally who often picked up good players who were suited to our division. Just looking at a player's carefully selected showreel on youtube does not show the whole picture regarding his attitude and personality, both of which are essential in the overall picture.
As said above, just listening to fans (and even reading press reports - yes, sometimes they do get it right! - helps in this regard.
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Post by lpgas1 on Mar 26, 2021 19:07:58 GMT
I agree with rememberhalifax: Too many of the younger players we have recruited do not have the 'lower leagues DNA' being the product of the so-called academy system at bigger clubs, or have been shown to be simply not good enough and have been released by their previous league (or non-league)club. Surely this is a reasonable indicator of that player's lack of ability? In bygone times, we had scouts in places like South Wales and locally who often picked up good players who were suited to our division. Just looking at a player's carefully selected showreel on youtube does not show the whole picture regarding his attitude and personality, both of which are essential in the overall picture. As said above, just listening to fans (and even reading press reports - yes, sometimes they do get it right! - helps in this regard. That was a long time ago, things change |
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Post by hardingegas on Mar 27, 2021 0:37:55 GMT
Yes, that was a long time ago when we had a South Wales nursery that produced a steady stream of players such as Wayne Jones, Frankie Prince, Geraint Williams, Vaughan Jones, Tony Pulis, Phil Bater etc - but they were youth players not attached to any other club. We probably got in quick before they were picked up by Cardiff or Swansea.
Nowadays players are spotted at a younger age and become attached to parent clubs much earlier. I think we got hold of Lockyer after he'd been with Cardiff for a few years.
So any younger players we sign nowadays will probably be a reject or ex Academy player.
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