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Post by Antonio Fargas on Apr 1, 2021 9:01:01 GMT
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Post by Wimborne Gas on Apr 1, 2021 9:04:19 GMT
Disgusting.
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Apr 1, 2021 9:19:22 GMT
Post by gregsy on Apr 1, 2021 9:19:22 GMT
I quite agreed with the Bosman ruling which was what, some 25 years ago? Players should be able to negotiate their own contacts and terms of employment and should have freedom to move on just like anyone else, and thats still a good thing....
However, it has bought about an almost ransom like quality for pay, driving the wages to staggering amounts.
Strange thing is we've heard about 'the bubble' bursting at some point, and as yet it hasn't happened....
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Post by Wembley_Gas on Apr 1, 2021 9:29:08 GMT
That’s cleaning agents because of COVID19
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Apr 1, 2021 9:34:21 GMT
www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/bristol-rovers-slash-agent-spending-5250414Bristol Rovers have more than halved their spending on agents over the past year, FA documents have revealed. The Gas paid £62,108 to intermediaries over the past two transfer windows, significantly down from the £141,006 bill they racked up in 2019/20. Rovers rank 15th in League One for intermediary spending, with Hull City and Sunderland the biggest spenders, though the Black Cats shaved almost £1million off their total for the previous year.
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Post by Gasshole on Apr 1, 2021 9:37:17 GMT
That’s a fkin relief, I thought it was Wael’s overdraft since we stopped selling sausage rolls.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2021 9:52:43 GMT
If you wonder why Chairmen prefer to have agents in the game at the highest level then the answer is in that figure. Does it state the average rebate from the agents given directly to club owners?
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Post by gasandelectricity on Apr 1, 2021 10:30:35 GMT
Thought this was going to be an April fool that we’d won this on the Euromillions.
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Post by Gas-Ed on Apr 1, 2021 10:46:16 GMT
www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/bristol-rovers-slash-agent-spending-5250414Bristol Rovers have more than halved their spending on agents over the past year, FA documents have revealed. The Gas paid £62,108 to intermediaries over the past two transfer windows, significantly down from the £141,006 bill they racked up in 2019/20. Rovers rank 15th in League One for intermediary spending, with Hull City and Sunderland the biggest spenders, though the Black Cats shaved almost £1million off their total for the previous year. That’s all well and good but it doesn’t tell us how much we paid to the circus to sign Hanlan and Ehmer.
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Apr 1, 2021 10:47:57 GMT
Post by goodnightirene1883 on Apr 1, 2021 10:47:57 GMT
www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/bristol-rovers-slash-agent-spending-5250414Bristol Rovers have more than halved their spending on agents over the past year, FA documents have revealed. The Gas paid £62,108 to intermediaries over the past two transfer windows, significantly down from the £141,006 bill they racked up in 2019/20. Rovers rank 15th in League One for intermediary spending, with Hull City and Sunderland the biggest spenders, though the Black Cats shaved almost £1million off their total for the previous year. That’s all well and good but it doesn’t tell us how much we paid to the circus to sign Hanlan and Ehmer. Not sure about agent fees - but Transfer fees for Ehmer was £0 and we offered Gillingham £50k for Hanlan so it's gone to tribunal
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Post by gasandelectricity on Apr 1, 2021 11:00:14 GMT
www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/bristol-rovers-slash-agent-spending-5250414Bristol Rovers have more than halved their spending on agents over the past year, FA documents have revealed. The Gas paid £62,108 to intermediaries over the past two transfer windows, significantly down from the £141,006 bill they racked up in 2019/20. Rovers rank 15th in League One for intermediary spending, with Hull City and Sunderland the biggest spenders, though the Black Cats shaved almost £1million off their total for the previous year. That’s all well and good but it doesn’t tell us how much we paid to the circus to sign Hanlan and Ehmer. We probably decided to pay Gillinghams agent fees on their behalf.
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Apr 6, 2021 16:34:43 GMT
Post by kentgas on Apr 6, 2021 16:34:43 GMT
Interesting article in the Guardian re football agents:
How did Gillingham become the only EFL club not to pay agents a penny? League One club’s owner, Paul Scally, says weak people are funnelling vast sums to agents who not needed in football
When the Football Association released last week the latest sums paid to agents, eyes inevitably moved towards the headline figures: Premier League sides stumped up a record £272m in a year – they have shelled out more than £1bn over the past four seasons – with every top-flight club spending more on intermediaries than the whole of League One combined, including Gillingham, the only club in the top four divisions to not pay a penny.
Championship clubs spent more than £40m in the 12 months to the start of February 2021, League One £3m, League Two £1m and National League clubs almost £275,000, with Guiseley spending £450. Over the past six seasons Gillingham have, according to the FA, spent £86,457 on agents’ fees, a figure eclipsed by fourth-tier Salford City in the last year alone. Across that six-year period Manchester United have paid intermediaries £125m, and Liverpool’s £143m spend is enough to buy Gillingham’s £600,000 record signing Carl Asaba 238 times.
Gillingham are an anomaly in an era awash with super-agents and overspend. They will not pay agent fees unless they “absolutely have to”. “I don’t aim to pay zero,” says the club’s owner, Paul Scally, who celebrated 25 years as chairman last summer. “There are occasions when I have to pay an agent but I try and avoid it and do it very rarely. I don’t like agents. I don’t like their business, their trade. We managed before agents came along and it was probably a better world.
“For the first 10 years I dealt with players or their families, sometimes a solicitor or a representative, but most of the time I dealt with players. They would come in and we would agree a contract. Since agents came in it’s gone downhill from there. I think they either don’t bother coming to us because they know I don’t like agents, I’m not going to pay them a fee or will fight them over a fee … or they realise that they’ll get their player in the shop window, we’ll develop their player, their player will then have more worth and if they get sold to a Championship club they will get more money.”
Playing hardball does not mean Gillingham struggle to get players through the door; since last summer they have loaned a dozen and made 11 permanent signings, seven of which, according to the FA, involved agents. “If an agent represents a player, then the player should pay the agent,” says Scally, whose annual budget is about £2.6m. “I shouldn’t pay the agent. In times of austerity, such as we are, I’m looking at every penny to keep the business going. Why would I waste money on agents? We don’t need them in our industry.”
Paul Scally says money is being handed to agents that ‘should have been fed down into the pyramid’.
Shrewsbury, Gillingham’s third-tier opponents on Saturday, coughed up £95,000 in agent fees and the league leaders Hull City £543,238. By Championship standards Wycombe (£126,053) and Millwall (£255,715) paid a pittance, but why do more clubs not resist paying vast sums? “Because the people that make those decisions are weak,” says Scally.
“The people that make the decisions to pay the agents are often not the owners; they are often people working on behalf of their owners. They are weak because, invariably, it is not their money and they think the money is just going to keep on coming, keep on coming. They think bringing these players in is going to guarantee them success and promotion. That is why the Championship is in such a mess, because of this frenzy to get hold of the Premier League money.”
The millions spent by top-flight clubs, four of whom have used the government’s furlough scheme, particularly rankle. “It’s absolutely pathetic. It is all money that should have stayed in the game and should have been fed down into the pyramid. When League One and League Two asked for some help [to combat the impact of Covid-19], they all cried poverty. So we ended up with a £30m grant and £20m loan. We are going to them with begging bowls when they are paying that kind of money to agents.
“When you talk to fans generally, they are sick and tired of the nonsense at their club, the waste and the money they are spending on wages, agents etc. The average man cannot relate to the sums of money that are being wasted in the Premier League and, to some extent, in the Championship.”
Mehmet Dalman, the Cardiff City chairman, has said the game requires a “Big Bang” to reset financial order and Fifa is pressing ahead with plans to introduce controversial regulations for agents. The dizzying numbers have made Scally question his future across a challenging 12 months but he has been encouraged by emails of support from fans since detailing some of his observations in a 14-page open letter last month. Gillingham remain fiercely competitive despite operating within rigid parameters.
“There are people who have supported us for 40 years saying: ‘We’re never going to be a top, top club, we’re never going to be glamorous but we’re still going and we love what we’ve got because it’s real,’” Scally says. “If the Premier League and the Professional Footballers’ Association don’t get their heads out of their backsides and start realising the way they are going there is no sustainable long-term future, it is going to be a very rocky road ahead.”
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Apr 6, 2021 18:00:49 GMT
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Post by socrates on Apr 6, 2021 18:00:49 GMT
Interesting article in the Guardian re football agents: How did Gillingham become the only EFL club not to pay agents a penny? League One club’s owner, Paul Scally, says weak people are funnelling vast sums to agents who not needed in football When the Football Association released last week the latest sums paid to agents, eyes inevitably moved towards the headline figures: Premier League sides stumped up a record £272m in a year – they have shelled out more than £1bn over the past four seasons – with every top-flight club spending more on intermediaries than the whole of League One combined, including Gillingham, the only club in the top four divisions to not pay a penny. Championship clubs spent more than £40m in the 12 months to the start of February 2021, League One £3m, League Two £1m and National League clubs almost £275,000, with Guiseley spending £450. Over the past six seasons Gillingham have, according to the FA, spent £86,457 on agents’ fees, a figure eclipsed by fourth-tier Salford City in the last year alone. Across that six-year period Manchester United have paid intermediaries £125m, and Liverpool’s £143m spend is enough to buy Gillingham’s £600,000 record signing Carl Asaba 238 times. Gillingham are an anomaly in an era awash with super-agents and overspend. They will not pay agent fees unless they “absolutely have to”. “I don’t aim to pay zero,” says the club’s owner, Paul Scally, who celebrated 25 years as chairman last summer. “There are occasions when I have to pay an agent but I try and avoid it and do it very rarely. I don’t like agents. I don’t like their business, their trade. We managed before agents came along and it was probably a better world. “For the first 10 years I dealt with players or their families, sometimes a solicitor or a representative, but most of the time I dealt with players. They would come in and we would agree a contract. Since agents came in it’s gone downhill from there. I think they either don’t bother coming to us because they know I don’t like agents, I’m not going to pay them a fee or will fight them over a fee … or they realise that they’ll get their player in the shop window, we’ll develop their player, their player will then have more worth and if they get sold to a Championship club they will get more money.” Playing hardball does not mean Gillingham struggle to get players through the door; since last summer they have loaned a dozen and made 11 permanent signings, seven of which, according to the FA, involved agents. “If an agent represents a player, then the player should pay the agent,” says Scally, whose annual budget is about £2.6m. “I shouldn’t pay the agent. In times of austerity, such as we are, I’m looking at every penny to keep the business going. Why would I waste money on agents? We don’t need them in our industry.” Paul Scally says money is being handed to agents that ‘should have been fed down into the pyramid’. Shrewsbury, Gillingham’s third-tier opponents on Saturday, coughed up £95,000 in agent fees and the league leaders Hull City £543,238. By Championship standards Wycombe (£126,053) and Millwall (£255,715) paid a pittance, but why do more clubs not resist paying vast sums? “Because the people that make those decisions are weak,” says Scally. “The people that make the decisions to pay the agents are often not the owners; they are often people working on behalf of their owners. They are weak because, invariably, it is not their money and they think the money is just going to keep on coming, keep on coming. They think bringing these players in is going to guarantee them success and promotion. That is why the Championship is in such a mess, because of this frenzy to get hold of the Premier League money.” The millions spent by top-flight clubs, four of whom have used the government’s furlough scheme, particularly rankle. “It’s absolutely pathetic. It is all money that should have stayed in the game and should have been fed down into the pyramid. When League One and League Two asked for some help [to combat the impact of Covid-19], they all cried poverty. So we ended up with a £30m grant and £20m loan. We are going to them with begging bowls when they are paying that kind of money to agents. “When you talk to fans generally, they are sick and tired of the nonsense at their club, the waste and the money they are spending on wages, agents etc. The average man cannot relate to the sums of money that are being wasted in the Premier League and, to some extent, in the Championship.” Mehmet Dalman, the Cardiff City chairman, has said the game requires a “Big Bang” to reset financial order and Fifa is pressing ahead with plans to introduce controversial regulations for agents. The dizzying numbers have made Scally question his future across a challenging 12 months but he has been encouraged by emails of support from fans since detailing some of his observations in a 14-page open letter last month. Gillingham remain fiercely competitive despite operating within rigid parameters. “There are people who have supported us for 40 years saying: ‘We’re never going to be a top, top club, we’re never going to be glamorous but we’re still going and we love what we’ve got because it’s real,’” Scally says. “If the Premier League and the Professional Footballers’ Association don’t get their heads out of their backsides and start realising the way they are going there is no sustainable long-term future, it is going to be a very rocky road ahead.” I just read that 10 championship clubs are under a transfer embargo. That’s nearly half the division!
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Apr 6, 2021 18:08:53 GMT
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Post by bluegas on Apr 6, 2021 18:08:53 GMT
I saw a report that the father and agent of a top player want €20/24m EACH over the transfer of a player. Might be Haaland, not totally sure, but beyond belief. As Scally says football managed without them before, it should do so again. But I won't hold my breath.
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Apr 6, 2021 18:15:23 GMT
Post by Westy on Apr 6, 2021 18:15:23 GMT
www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/bristol-rovers-slash-agent-spending-5250414Bristol Rovers have more than halved their spending on agents over the past year, FA documents have revealed. The Gas paid £62,108 to intermediaries over the past two transfer windows, significantly down from the £141,006 bill they racked up in 2019/20. Rovers rank 15th in League One for intermediary spending, with Hull City and Sunderland the biggest spenders, though the Black Cats shaved almost £1million off their total for the previous year. Don't need to pay agent fees if you don't make any signings!
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Apr 6, 2021 18:53:21 GMT
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Post by gulfofaden on Apr 6, 2021 18:53:21 GMT
What’s the issue with an agent?
Players don’t know law. They will get into all sorts of trouble negotiating on their own.
Intermediaries of all sorts get flak, often they are the only people stopping clients getting fleeced and more often than not the only people who understand the industry they work in.
I wouldn’t negotiate a divorce without a lawyer, I wouldn’t do my tax without an accountant.
I expect like a lot of things, good agents don’t work for free and they provide more in value to players than they cost.
If it’s a general malaise about the money in football, fair enough. The best way to counter that is stop paying for it. I don’t pay for Sky for that reason.
Otherwise, this is just the usual angst because someone who wears a suit gets paid for being a middleman. Yes, because someone needs to do the work to make these deals.
Manufacturers and service providers always seek a dis intermediated market - because blind, dumb consumers is what you want. Not someone with a person who actually knows the score in their corner.
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Apr 6, 2021 19:02:59 GMT
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Post by alanrg on Apr 6, 2021 19:02:59 GMT
Regarding agents I am pretty sure when Craig Hinton played for us he represented himself I don’t c the need for them players should think for themselves
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2021 19:11:36 GMT
Regarding agents I am pretty sure when Craig Hinton played for us he represented himself I don’t c the need for them players should think for themselves I think James Milner and Gary Neville did too - pretty sure Milner used the PFA in some capacity. A good lawyer to check the contract will be required but should be a simple one off fee not a rolling 10%. I bet very few, if any, Agents are lawyers themselves so that would be an extra cost on top. The football authorities should just ban clubs from paying fees for agents apart from any they employ directly to act on a sale. If a player wants his personal agent to be paid let him do it out of his own salary or signing on fee once it’s gone through PAYE - they would be a bit more particular about which leeches they employ if they have to write the cheques themselves.
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Post by rememberhalifax on Apr 6, 2021 20:20:09 GMT
IMHO the game would be a lot better off without agents both morally and financially.
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Post by warehamgas on Apr 6, 2021 20:42:34 GMT
I’ve no major problem with agents except that it should be up to the person who wants the agent to be the one paying them. If players want the service of an agent then fair enough but as they have hired them they should pay them and when negotiating a contract with a new club the player should pay for the agent out of their share, not the club. If a club hires an agent to get players in and plenty do, Wolves for example hired a certain agent and he got most of their players a few years back, then they should pay. I seem to remember Roy Keane never had an agent but a very clever lawyer, Michael Kennedy I think, who negotiated for him. I’d suggest if the players had to pay for the agent out of their pockets more would be using the PFA services. I don’t often agree with Paul Scally but he’s right about clubs being too weak and bowing in to agent pressure. UTG!
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