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Post by Okebournegas on Apr 5, 2021 10:57:47 GMT
Only REAL tough guys give it the big ‘un from the safety of their computer / phone. 😂😂 Let's give this a rest, please.
I'm the hardest on here, anyway.😂😂😂 sorry mate , I know you’d give Chuck Norris a run for his money 😉
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 5, 2021 11:13:26 GMT
LJG some people rate JB and his coaching capabilities and are prepared to look at his historical misdemeanours as historical and as things that have 2 sides to the story and more than the sensationalist press journalist stories that focus on selling headlines - I.e. the cigar incident, the youth player set fire to his jacket whilst JB was wearing it and he didn’t stub the cigar out in his eye, as he turned round the cigar caught his eye area.... the fights - both incidents were after provocation where individuals had punched or ‘attacked’ him / his friends. Now what actually happened in those incidents no one other than those involved actually know. Other people (and I class you in this camp) do not rate JB, are not prepared to look at the historical misdemeanours in the same way and don’t want him anywhere near the club. If that is your opinion, then you are entitled to it. However, comments like you have made on this thread add nothing to the debate - criticise JB by any means but add rationale and reason behind what or why you don’t think he is up to the task. At least then it gives something to consider and discuss. Pointless comments with no substance - either praising or slagging off the managers just creates antagonism and divide and turns this forum into a slagging match and for me then a place to avoid. So, please whatever your views and opinion, can we keep it constructive and avoid dividing ourselves even further.... I couldn't care less about his historical criminal past and I haven't mentioned it anywhere in my criticism of him. I don't see how my comments can't be seen as a rational appraisal of the current situation 1. His form since becoming manager is terrible; 2. He slags off players publicly; 3. Slags off coaches publicly; 4. Slags off predecessors publicly; 5. Slags off the club publicly. Whether or not you agree with any of what he says, he's acting in a totally unprofessional manner and getting terrible results to boot. !) Agreed 2) At least slagging him off seems to have highlighted the fact Emher needs a shoulder op 3) He's not slagged off any of the present coaches? 4) He's only agreeing with most of us when it came to the previous managers 5) Not sure he's slagging off the club generally just raising issues the like of DC have in the past "30 years behind the times" etc, most of us agreed with DC rather than calling for his head. JB's saying now what other recent manager's needed to have said, sacking him now will just let Starnes and co sweep the problems under the carpet and we'll never progress.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2021 11:34:32 GMT
LJG some people rate JB and his coaching capabilities and are prepared to look at his historical misdemeanours as historical and as things that have 2 sides to the story and more than the sensationalist press journalist stories that focus on selling headlines - I.e. the cigar incident, the youth player set fire to his jacket whilst JB was wearing it and he didn’t stub the cigar out in his eye, as he turned round the cigar caught his eye area.... the fights - both incidents were after provocation where individuals had punched or ‘attacked’ him / his friends. Now what actually happened in those incidents no one other than those involved actually know. Other people (and I class you in this camp) do not rate JB, are not prepared to look at the historical misdemeanours in the same way and don’t want him anywhere near the club. If that is your opinion, then you are entitled to it. However, comments like you have made on this thread add nothing to the debate - criticise JB by any means but add rationale and reason behind what or why you don’t think he is up to the task. At least then it gives something to consider and discuss. Pointless comments with no substance - either praising or slagging off the managers just creates antagonism and divide and turns this forum into a slagging match and for me then a place to avoid. So, please whatever your views and opinion, can we keep it constructive and avoid dividing ourselves even further.... I couldn't care less about his historical criminal past and I haven't mentioned it anywhere in my criticism of him. I don't see how my comments can't be seen as a rational appraisal of the current situation 1. His form since becoming manager is terrible; 2. He slags off players publicly; 3. Slags off coaches publicly; 4. Slags off predecessors publicly; 5. Slags off the club publicly. Whether or not you agree with any of what he says, he's acting in a totally unprofessional manner and getting terrible results to boot. But on this thread prior to this message you hadn’t said any of that - just called him names. I agree that his appointment so far hasn’t had the desired effect on results but our play has been more structured. Re his public criticism of players, I agree in that personally I didn’t think it was the right move but at the same time maybe he was hoping it would give an effect in the player wanting to prove him wrong. I don’t see any issues with criticising ex managers. If he can evidence it then that’s fine. Yes he may have been a bit strong in his words used but he’s obviously not happy with the condition of some of the players and to be fair we’ve seen how badly we fade and the head drop mentality so he probably has a point to a degree.... FWIW my opinion is that I thought we let Garner go too quickly (he went just as our results had started to improve) - but I understood it, I thought we didn’t give Tisdale a fair crack of the whip - but again the results and performances were not improving and I personally wouldn’t have recruited JB at this time - I would have put a caretaker team in place until the end of the season and evaluated things then. I do think he’s a good coach but I thought we’d have better view and options in the summer. However, he’s here and whilst results aren’t improving I do think our general play is. I also like his way he’s throwing his all into it and his knowledge and experience and general press conferences are good. I also think he’s is someone to stick with longer term as a) we can’t keep sacking managers as that brings no stability and just confusion to the players and b) based purely on opinion and gut feelings, I think he will get us performing and a more penetrative and attractive team with a bit of steel next season. Just my views
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Post by LJG on Apr 5, 2021 11:44:59 GMT
I couldn't care less about his historical criminal past and I haven't mentioned it anywhere in my criticism of him. I don't see how my comments can't be seen as a rational appraisal of the current situation 1. His form since becoming manager is terrible; 2. He slags off players publicly; 3. Slags off coaches publicly; 4. Slags off predecessors publicly; 5. Slags off the club publicly. Whether or not you agree with any of what he says, he's acting in a totally unprofessional manner and getting terrible results to boot. !) Agreed 2) At least slagging him off seems to have highlighted the fact Emher needs a shoulder op 3) He's not slagged off any of the present coaches? 4) He's only agreeing with most of us when it came to the previous managers 5) Not sure he's slagging off the club generally just raising issues the like of DC have in the past "30 years behind the times" etc, most of us agreed with DC rather than calling for his head. JB's saying now what other recent manager's needed to have said, sacking him now will just let Starnes and co sweep the problems under the carpet and we'll never progress. Did you just not read the last sentence of my post?
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Post by LJG on Apr 5, 2021 11:58:30 GMT
I couldn't care less about his historical criminal past and I haven't mentioned it anywhere in my criticism of him. I don't see how my comments can't be seen as a rational appraisal of the current situation 1. His form since becoming manager is terrible; 2. He slags off players publicly; 3. Slags off coaches publicly; 4. Slags off predecessors publicly; 5. Slags off the club publicly. Whether or not you agree with any of what he says, he's acting in a totally unprofessional manner and getting terrible results to boot. But on this thread prior to this message you hadn’t said any of that - just called him names. I agree that his appointment so far hasn’t had the desired effect on results but our play has been more structured. Re his public criticism of players, I agree in that personally I didn’t think it was the right move but at the same time maybe he was hoping it would give an effect in the player wanting to prove him wrong. I don’t see any issues with criticising ex managers. If he can evidence it then that’s fine. Yes he may have been a bit strong in his words used but he’s obviously not happy with the condition of some of the players and to be fair we’ve seen how badly we fade and the head drop mentality so he probably has a point to a degree.... FWIW my opinion is that I thought we let Garner go too quickly (he went just as our results had started to improve) - but I understood it, I thought we didn’t give Tisdale a fair crack of the whip - but again the results and performances were not improving and I personally wouldn’t have recruited JB at this time - I would have put a caretaker team in place until the end of the season and evaluated things then. I do think he’s a good coach but I thought we’d have better view and options in the summer. However, he’s here and whilst results aren’t improving I do think our general play is. I also like his way he’s throwing his all into it and his knowledge and experience and general press conferences are good. I also think he’s is someone to stick with longer term as a) we can’t keep sacking managers as that brings no stability and just confusion to the players and b) based purely on opinion and gut feelings, I think he will get us performing and a more penetrative and attractive team with a bit of steel next season. Just my views You might have missed it but I did post those exact concerns on the first page of this thread: an ex-premier league player who, at the moment is doing everything he can to ruin the club I support by publicly slating the players and the club in the press and talking about what he's going to do next season instead of concentrating on changing his dogshit form (twice as bad as the previous two managers) in this season. So not just calling names. Again- my point is not whether or not I agree with anything he says, my point is whether I agree he should be saying it. I do agree that the timing of the sacking of Garner was peculiar.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2021 12:17:38 GMT
But on this thread prior to this message you hadn’t said any of that - just called him names. I agree that his appointment so far hasn’t had the desired effect on results but our play has been more structured. Re his public criticism of players, I agree in that personally I didn’t think it was the right move but at the same time maybe he was hoping it would give an effect in the player wanting to prove him wrong. I don’t see any issues with criticising ex managers. If he can evidence it then that’s fine. Yes he may have been a bit strong in his words used but he’s obviously not happy with the condition of some of the players and to be fair we’ve seen how badly we fade and the head drop mentality so he probably has a point to a degree.... FWIW my opinion is that I thought we let Garner go too quickly (he went just as our results had started to improve) - but I understood it, I thought we didn’t give Tisdale a fair crack of the whip - but again the results and performances were not improving and I personally wouldn’t have recruited JB at this time - I would have put a caretaker team in place until the end of the season and evaluated things then. I do think he’s a good coach but I thought we’d have better view and options in the summer. However, he’s here and whilst results aren’t improving I do think our general play is. I also like his way he’s throwing his all into it and his knowledge and experience and general press conferences are good. I also think he’s is someone to stick with longer term as a) we can’t keep sacking managers as that brings no stability and just confusion to the players and b) based purely on opinion and gut feelings, I think he will get us performing and a more penetrative and attractive team with a bit of steel next season. Just my views You might have missed it but I did post those exact concerns on the first page of this thread: an ex-premier league player who, at the moment is doing everything he can to ruin the club I support by publicly slating the players and the club in the press and talking about what he's going to do next season instead of concentrating on changing his dogshit form (twice as bad as the previous two managers) in this season. So not just calling names. Again- my point is not whether or not I agree with anything he says, my point is whether I agree he should be saying it. I do agree that the timing of the sacking of Garner was peculiar. I did miss that post LJG so I apologise for saying you were just name calling. One thing is clear though - no matter what our thoughts are on the manager(s) - I’m including BG and PT here - we all agree that our season has been nowhere near what we all expected and we could and should have been doing better!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2021 12:24:46 GMT
How can the mods allow this,LJG please find another club to support because you ain’t a gashead somewhere like Australia would be a suggestion goodbye 👋 Why are you obsessed with trying to get mods to censor criticism of your twat overlord? Why are you obsessed with telling people who don't rate your, loud mouth, talentless, twat overlord to support a different club? I would have thought that the person who needs to support a different club is the one who has become obsessed with the celebrity of an ex-premier league player who, at the moment is doing everything he can to ruin the club I support by publicly slating the players and the club in the press and talking about what he's going to do next season instead of concentrating on changing his dogshit form (twice as bad as the previous two managers) in this season. So why don't you go and find a Joey Barton forum to post on because you obviously care more about him than Rovers. I bet you are the one who punched the horse after the Mansfield game and put up posters at the training ground threatening DC. JB’S blue and white army JB’s blue and white army UTG.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2021 12:27:05 GMT
How can the mods allow this,LJG please find another club to support because you ain’t a gashead somewhere like Australia would be a suggestion goodbye 👋 As a forum we have to allow free and frank criticisms of the manager, I think. This might be a bit extreme, and largely unconstructive, but criticising the manager is part of what a football forum should be about. Didn't you call PT a complete twat? Can’t remember probably but my god what ljg posted is way over the top wouldn’t you agree?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2021 12:32:43 GMT
Barton’s doing dreadfully and the scraping of the barrel by the Barton in crowd gets more desperate by the day.
Seems like Barton is on a war path to water off everyone around him, the players, the coaches, the fan base. Is there anyone this man hasn’t offended?
There’s only one way this is going to end I’m afraid, a p45 on his desk and us struggling in League Two.
Sad times.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2021 12:35:18 GMT
Joseph needs to get it right tomorrow, it s s#*$$ or bust time, only 3 points will do, what the squad have t fathomed out, is that they are less suitable for league 2 football, so when we get relegated they will have to find alternative employment next season. One thing joseph will be good at is getting rid of players whether under contract or not, let s hope the penny drops soon, as we are running out of time. The one thing Joseph is good at is being a whinging scouse prick and nothing else. The only surgery that's been done is the apparent full frontal lobotomy he's had. here here At least someone gets it.
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Apr 5, 2021 12:54:24 GMT
Joseph needs to get it right tomorrow, it s s#*$$ or bust time, only 3 points will do, what the squad have t fathomed out, is that they are less suitable for league 2 football, so when we get relegated they will have to find alternative employment next season. One thing joseph will be good at is getting rid of players whether under contract or not, let s hope the penny drops soon, as we are running out of time. Those players, if they know they aren’t very good, will have every right to do a Bennett. It won’t matter what Joe says. Do you think our president will provide the kind of funds that Fleetwood did, serious question ? This bunch would find L2 much harder and Joe will be in for a real shock when he sees refs in that league.
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Post by stevek192 on Apr 5, 2021 12:57:49 GMT
The Barton IN crowd thankfully far out number those who want him out. Why don't you get behind the bloke and at least give him next season to build his side instead of trying to criticise his every move without any knowledge of what has gone on behind the scenes? We don't know what has caused him to come out in public at the time he has. Perhaps other methods have not worked. It is about time that we as supporters got behind the club and supported.
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Apr 5, 2021 12:59:20 GMT
The one thing Joseph is good at is being a whinging scouse prick and nothing else. The only surgery that's been done is the apparent full frontal lobotomy he's had. There is only one Whinging person on here and we all know who that is don't we ? Or, there are a great many who outright disregard his results and lack of plain manners let alone professionalism, in constantly placing blame elsewhere. Works both ways.
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Post by LJG on Apr 5, 2021 13:16:12 GMT
The Barton IN crowd thankfully far out number those who want him out. Why don't you get behind the bloke and at least give him next season to build his side instead of trying to criticise his every move without any knowledge of what has gone on behind the scenes? We don't know what has caused him to come out in public at the time he has. Perhaps other methods have not worked. It is about time that we as supporters got behind the club and supported. You're exactly right, we don't know what has gone on behind the scenes. And we shouldn't - that's why it's behind the scenes. That's exactly the point I'm making. I'm a supporter of Bristol Rovers. Not Joey Barton or Ian Holloway or Ray Graydon or Gerry Francis or any other manager that might be in charge from time to time. If whatever manager who is in charge for the time being begins publicly to ridicule the internal workings of the club to deflect from his appalling managerial record then its fine, as a supporter of the club and not the manager to call that into question and to criticise him for having done it.
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Post by trevorgas on Apr 5, 2021 13:24:00 GMT
The Barton IN crowd thankfully far out number those who want him out. Why don't you get behind the bloke and at least give him next season to build his side instead of trying to criticise his every move without any knowledge of what has gone on behind the scenes? We don't know what has caused him to come out in public at the time he has. Perhaps other methods have not worked. It is about time that we as supporters got behind the club and supported. You're exactly right, we don't know what has gone on behind the scenes. And we shouldn't - that's why it's behind the scenes. That's exactly the point I'm making. I'm a supporter of Bristol Rovers. Not Joey Barton or Ian Holloway or Ray Graydon or Gerry Francis or any other manager that might be in charge from time to time. If whatever manager who is in charge for the time being begins publicly to ridicule the internal workings of the club to deflect from his appalling managerial record then its fine, as a supporter of the club and not the manager to call that into question and to criticise him for having done it. That applies to Mourinho who did the same,I don't see it as a such a big issue plenty of people get publicly criticised in all other sports and walks of life so they need to be professional and step up. If there were fans in the ground they would be getting slaughtered or do you think that shouldn't happen either? . So a fine line ok for the fans to mouth off but not the boss.
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Post by LJG on Apr 5, 2021 13:29:15 GMT
You're exactly right, we don't know what has gone on behind the scenes. And we shouldn't - that's why it's behind the scenes. That's exactly the point I'm making. I'm a supporter of Bristol Rovers. Not Joey Barton or Ian Holloway or Ray Graydon or Gerry Francis or any other manager that might be in charge from time to time. If whatever manager who is in charge for the time being begins publicly to ridicule the internal workings of the club to deflect from his appalling managerial record then its fine, as a supporter of the club and not the manager to call that into question and to criticise him for having done it. That applies to Mourinho who did the same,I don't see it as a such a big issue plenty of people get publicly criticised in all other sports and walks of life so they need to be professional and step up. If there were fans in the ground they would be getting slaughtered or do you think that shouldn't happen either? . So a fine line ok for the fans to mouth off but not the boss. It's not really that fine a line though is it? Its quite a big fat line. It's like a senior manager of a business calling the products and the way the owner has run things rubbish just because some customers have too - its nowhere near the same thing. In anything but football that would earn you your marching orders. Unprofessional particularly when you don't have the results to back it up.
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Post by kentgas on Apr 5, 2021 13:56:53 GMT
Reminiscent of when Gerald Ratner called his products 'crap'.
And we know how that ended!
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Post by lpgas1 on Apr 5, 2021 16:23:59 GMT
LGJ, bet you wouldnt say that to his face
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Post by rusho'gas on Apr 5, 2021 16:51:38 GMT
The Barton IN crowd thankfully far out number those who want him out. Why don't you get behind the bloke and at least give him next season to build his side instead of trying to criticise his every move without any knowledge of what has gone on behind the scenes? We don't know what has caused him to come out in public at the time he has. Perhaps other methods have not worked. It is about time that we as supporters got behind the club and supported. How do you know that the Barton In's exceed the Barton's out? Where is the crystal ball situated ? A different viewpoint is valid, even if you think it isn't, as long as it's lawful and does not incite. As someone who goes home and away I actually object to the last sentence. More importantly, I will buy my season ticket next season to support the club, however I will not step into a football ground whilst Barton is in charge. I guess that makes me a sh**head or not a true Rovers fan according to some on here. Message ends>>>>>>
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2021 18:07:49 GMT
The Barton IN crowd thankfully far out number those who want him out. Why don't you get behind the bloke and at least give him next season to build his side instead of trying to criticise his every move without any knowledge of what has gone on behind the scenes? We don't know what has caused him to come out in public at the time he has. Perhaps other methods have not worked. It is about time that we as supporters got behind the club and supported. How do you know that the Barton In's exceed the Barton's out? Where is the crystal ball situated ? A different viewpoint is valid, even if you think it isn't, as long as it's lawful and does not incite. As someone who goes home and away I actually object to the last sentence. More importantly, I will buy my season ticket next season to support the club, however I will not step into a football ground whilst Barton is in charge. I guess that makes me a sh**head or not a true Rovers fan according to some on here. Message ends>>>>>> Sad
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