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Post by Topper Gas on Jun 19, 2021 18:58:27 GMT
Out of interest why would it be tax free? As I understand it, for termination the first £30,000 of any non-contractual payment which can be paid free of tax. Any contractual payment, ex gratia payment and payment in lieu would be taxable. Thought that was just "redundancy" not termination of a contract?
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Post by Topper Gas on Jun 19, 2021 19:04:07 GMT
There's been no suggestions either has been "paid up" assuming they both had to take a pay cut following our relegation then perhaps they were prepared to just tear up their contracts to accept better, or similar, contracts at Gillingham? But then it would be a free transfer. Termination of contract allows a tax free sum to be paid. Gillingham don't pay much according to Evans. Since when did anybody believe a word that Steve Evans said? Regardless they must have offered them both contracts so if they are not paying them anything up front then they are going get paid a salary, perhaps an L1 salary at Gills is more attractive than an L2 salary at Rovers, usually the club suggests players have left due to a mutual agreement not that contracts having been terminated.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jun 19, 2021 19:06:57 GMT
There's been no suggestions either has been "paid up" assuming they both had to take a pay cut following our relegation then perhaps they were prepared to just tear up their contracts to accept better, or similar, contracts at Gillingham? Sorry that’s just pedantic. We’ve obviously paid them up to some degree, even if the club haven’t explicitly told us so. Then again they both may have jumped at the chance to move to L1 Gillingham rather than stay at Rovers with Barton barking at them every day in training.
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Post by stuart1974 on Jun 19, 2021 19:30:00 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2021 20:23:56 GMT
Out of interest why would it be tax free? As I understand it, for termination the first £30,000 of any non-contractual payment which can be paid free of tax. Any contractual payment, ex gratia payment and payment in lieu would be taxable. Which is what I thought - the only exemption I’m aware of is if an individual has their employment terminated due to ill health and an application can be made to HMRC for it all to be paid free of deductions. I thought the original poster may have known of something different, perhaps where an individual was on a fixed term contract (like footballers are) as opposed to a permanent contract but I don’t see why that would be the case.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Jun 19, 2021 20:31:16 GMT
Sorry that’s just pedantic. We’ve obviously paid them up to some degree, even if the club haven’t explicitly told us so. Then again they both may have jumped at the chance to move to L1 Gillingham rather than stay at Rovers with Barton barking at them every day in training. If that were the case it would have been a transfer. If they were happy with the terms of the termination, it would have been a termination by mutual consent. But instead we’ve had a termination which sounds to me like a severance payment. Even if it was mutual there would likely be a severance payment. I read in one of the secret footballer books years ago that if the player doesn’t ask for it they get a full payout. If they ask for it, then they get a reduced amount. So they play the game and drag their feet to get the best payout possible.
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Post by gulfofaden on Jun 19, 2021 21:08:24 GMT
Another one Joey did not fancy I remember the comment from Tisdale who said Tudonda a nice lad but not cut out for the pro game. Barton obviously agreed. I’m trying to work out what this means. I was surprised as I thought he looked pretty good, and just got worse and then we never heard from him again. Nice lad but not cut out..... Does this mean he’s just not focussed enough on football? Too immature? Likes the lash? Or is he a bit weak and not mean enough? Or a bit naieve ? Not sure what those comments are. I assume it means he wasn’t professional enough ie he’s not a bad kid but he doesn’t want it enough to train his nuts off
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Post by gulfofaden on Jun 19, 2021 21:11:38 GMT
I always liked him. Looking short for left sided options now. Still plenty of time to sign another 3 left backs before the window closes. 🤣 Yeah for a moment our left back count has sank dangerously below 5.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jun 19, 2021 21:40:02 GMT
Then again they both may have jumped at the chance to move to L1 Gillingham rather than stay at Rovers with Barton barking at them every day in training. If that were the case it would have been a transfer. If they were happy with the terms of the termination, it would have been a termination by mutual consent. But instead we’ve had a termination which sounds to me like a severance payment. Even if it was mutual there would likely be a severance payment. I read in one of the secret footballer books years ago that if the player doesn’t ask for it they get a full payout. If they ask for it, then they get a reduced amount. So they play the game and drag their feet to get the best payout possible. Would you be brave enough to ask JB for a payout? None of us know what's gone but no doubt it'll soon become a Gaschat fact they received a substantial payout.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jun 19, 2021 21:43:12 GMT
Another one Joey did not fancy I remember the comment from Tisdale who said Tudonda a nice lad but not cut out for the pro game. Barton obviously agreed. I’m trying to work out what this means. I was surprised as I thought he looked pretty good, and just got worse and then we never heard from him again. Nice lad but not cut out.....
Does this mean he’s just not focussed enough on football? Too immature? Likes the lash? Or is he a bit weak and not mean enough? Or a bit naieve ?Not sure what those comments are. I assume it means he wasn’t professional enough ie he’s not a bad kid but he doesn’t want it enough to train his nuts off Steve Evans who seems to have an eye for a decent L1 player clearly feels otherwise, who knows perhaps Ehmer and Tutonda set up these deals months ago ad have just been counting down the days to leave. Let's just hope JB gets in some honest pros like Craig and not wasters like BG brought in.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Jun 19, 2021 22:10:54 GMT
If that were the case it would have been a transfer. If they were happy with the terms of the termination, it would have been a termination by mutual consent. But instead we’ve had a termination which sounds to me like a severance payment. Even if it was mutual there would likely be a severance payment. I read in one of the secret footballer books years ago that if the player doesn’t ask for it they get a full payout. If they ask for it, then they get a reduced amount. So they play the game and drag their feet to get the best payout possible. Would you be brave enough to ask JB for a payout? None of us know what's gone but no doubt it'll soon become a Gaschat fact they received a substantial payout. Not about being brave they can do whatever the hell they want. Would you let your employer move you on willy nilly without paying due compensation?
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Post by oldie on Jun 19, 2021 23:56:10 GMT
Would you be brave enough to ask JB for a payout? None of us know what's gone but no doubt it'll soon become a Gaschat fact they received a substantial payout. Not about being brave they can do whatever the hell they want. Would you let your employer move you on willy nilly without paying due compensation? How the hell can an employer move anyone on willy nilly? What are we dealing with here, some Albanian people traffickers?
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Post by gulfofaden on Jun 20, 2021 6:40:07 GMT
Would you be brave enough to ask JB for a payout? None of us know what's gone but no doubt it'll soon become a Gaschat fact they received a substantial payout. Not about being brave they can do whatever the hell they want. Would you let your employer move you on willy nilly without paying due compensation? In reality, most employers can find ways to move you on and manage you out without the need to. Sadly in football, players have the whole world on a plate and despite performances which are clearly not good enough (and proven by getting a club relegated) you can do absolutely nothing. In U.K. employment law there is a capability process. This is where you’ve done nothing wrong, but you’re not capable of performing to the role spec. Salespeople can be had out on this (I’ve had it done to me) If players can’t perform to the level required and it gets a club relegated by 10 points I can’t see how you can say the players are capable. But, football, all the upside, none of the responsibility, and the fans pick up the tab.
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Post by A Source (aka Angry Badger) on Jun 20, 2021 7:42:29 GMT
Not about being brave they can do whatever the hell they want. Would you let your employer move you on willy nilly without paying due compensation? In reality, most employers can find ways to move you on and manage you out without the need to. Sadly in football, players have the whole world on a plate and despite performances which are clearly not good enough (and proven by getting a club relegated) you can do absolutely nothing. In U.K. employment law there is a capability process. This is where you’ve done nothing wrong, but you’re not capable of performing to the role spec. Salespeople can be had out on this (I’ve had it done to me) If players can’t perform to the level required and it gets a club relegated by 10 points I can’t see how you can say the players are capable. But, football, all the upside, none of the responsibility, and the fans pick up the tab. Exactly this. Like most other jobs footballers should be responsible for performances. Contracts should have win/lose clauses. If you are crap and get relegated we reserve the right to rip it up. The only reason the premiership has parachute payments for relegation is so silly money contracts can be honoured.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2021 8:03:22 GMT
In reality, most employers can find ways to move you on and manage you out without the need to. Sadly in football, players have the whole world on a plate and despite performances which are clearly not good enough (and proven by getting a club relegated) you can do absolutely nothing. In U.K. employment law there is a capability process. This is where you’ve done nothing wrong, but you’re not capable of performing to the role spec. Salespeople can be had out on this (I’ve had it done to me) If players can’t perform to the level required and it gets a club relegated by 10 points I can’t see how you can say the players are capable. But, football, all the upside, none of the responsibility, and the fans pick up the tab. Exactly this. Like most other jobs footballers should be responsible for performances. Contracts should have win/lose clauses. If you are crap and get relegated we reserve the right to rip it up. The only reason the premiership has parachute payments for relegation is so silly money contracts can be honoured. How would that work? Would it be a subjective opinion or based on points/league position? You can have a very good season individually in a poor team. Didn’t Scott Parker once get PFA Player of the Year with West Ham in a relegation season or battle? Look at us in the season we were relegated to the conference - O’Toole and Smith were both voted into the PFA team of the year.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Jun 20, 2021 8:38:57 GMT
Not about being brave they can do whatever the hell they want. Would you let your employer move you on willy nilly without paying due compensation? In reality, most employers can find ways to move you on and manage you out without the need to. Sadly in football, players have the whole world on a plate and despite performances which are clearly not good enough (and proven by getting a club relegated) you can do absolutely nothing. In U.K. employment law there is a capability process. This is where you’ve done nothing wrong, but you’re not capable of performing to the role spec. Salespeople can be had out on this (I’ve had it done to me) If players can’t perform to the level required and it gets a club relegated by 10 points I can’t see how you can say the players are capable. But, football, all the upside, none of the responsibility, and the fans pick up the tab. I guess it’s a case of objectively declaring a player as being responsible for the relegation. The team are collectively responsible as a whole for the performance (or lack of it). If we get relegated, how much of it is a single player vs being in a team of players who aren’t capable of giving the rest what they need to succeed? My point was, if you were being let go by your employer as they wanted rid of you, you'd do your very best to get the best payout you can.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jun 20, 2021 8:50:15 GMT
Would you be brave enough to ask JB for a payout? None of us know what's gone but no doubt it'll soon become a Gaschat fact they received a substantial payout. Not about being brave they can do whatever the hell they want. Would you let your employer move you on willy nilly without paying due compensation? They've not been "moved on" they've got a promotion!
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Post by gasandelectricity on Jun 20, 2021 8:59:41 GMT
Not about being brave they can do whatever the hell they want. Would you let your employer move you on willy nilly without paying due compensation? They've not been "moved on" they've got a promotion! League wise yes. But we were regarded as being a strong payer. Gillingham not so much, which is why they were telling everyone who would listen about how much we were paying last summer. If the deal was so good the players would have jumped at it and it would have been a free transfer. It’s obvious we’ve paid them up to some degree.
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Post by gulfofaden on Jun 20, 2021 10:08:45 GMT
Exactly this. Like most other jobs footballers should be responsible for performances. Contracts should have win/lose clauses. If you are crap and get relegated we reserve the right to rip it up. The only reason the premiership has parachute payments for relegation is so silly money contracts can be honoured. How would that work? Would it be a subjective opinion or based on points/league position? You can have a very good season individually in a poor team. Didn’t Scott Parker once get PFA Player of the Year with West Ham in a relegation season or battle? Look at us in the season we were relegated to the conference - O’Toole and Smith were both voted into the PFA team of the year. Through stats. You can do it quite easily. Tackles won Vs average, possession conceded v average. Piece of cake, it’s not subjective
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Post by Topper Gas on Jun 20, 2021 15:28:08 GMT
They've not been "moved on" they've got a promotion! League wise yes. But we were regarded as being a strong payer. Gillingham not so much, which is why they were telling everyone who would listen about how much we were paying last summer. If the deal was so good the players would have jumped at it and it would have been a free transfer. It’s obvious we’ve paid them up to some degree. We may have been strong payers in L1 but I've no idea how that compares to next season's L2 contracts, after the rumoured pay cuts following our relegation. We have have had to pay them a sizeable sum, a minimal sum, or nothing at all to move them both on.
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